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Zach Wilson reportedly put thumb tacks on teammates chairs prior to meetings.

Carr is the choice between these two QBs.

Literally one of the worst qbs I've ever seen play in the nfl

This is a nice, laundered way of tampering without officially tampering. You go, Joe.

https://jetsxfactor.com/2023/01/19/ny-jets-derek-carr-lamar-jackson-tale-of-tape/ NY Jets’ tale of the tape: Derek Carr vs. Lamar Jackson We stacked up the New York Jets' top two 2023 quarterback options head-to-head in various important categories. By Michael Nania - 01/19/2023 Who should New York Jets pursue: Derek Carr or Lamar Jackson? Derek Carr and Lamar Jackson are certainly the two most frequently mentioned quarterback targets for the New York Jets. In fact, the Jets are among the top betting favorites to land both quarterbacks. There seems to be a very real chance that one of these two signal-callers is under center for Gang Green in September. Let’s compare Carr and Jackson head-to-head in important categories – both on and off the field. We will start with some of the off-field categories before moving into their on-field performance. Trade assets required Trading for Jackson will require New York to sell the farm. Baltimore will most likely place a franchise tag on Jackson and either extend him or hold onto him until they can trade him for a package similar in value to the ones fetched for Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson. If the Ravens place a non-exclusive franchise tag on Jackson, he will be free to negotiate with other teams and the Ravens will have a chance to match any deal he signs. Baltimore would be entitled to two first-round picks in exchange for Jackson if they elect not to match his offer sheet. However, the Ravens can most likely get more than two first-round picks for Jackson. Wilson brought in two first-round picks, two second-round picks, and three players. Watson netted three first-round picks and a third-round pick. With this in mind, the Ravens will probably place an exclusive franchise tag on Jackson. This means he cannot negotiate with other teams. Jackson would be stuck in Baltimore until the Ravens find the gargantuan haul they feel he is worth. Carr, however, must be traded or released by the Raiders before February 15, which is when his 2023 salary becomes guaranteed. Las Vegas has no leverage due to this deadline. If Carr is traded, the package will be small. There is a chance he doesn’t get traded at all. Advantage: Carr Cap space required On his current deal, Carr is set to have a $34.9 million cap hit in 2023, which currently projects to rank ninth-highest among quarterbacks (he’ll drop a few spots after more deals are signed, including Jackson). The number rises to $43.9 million in 2024 and steadies at $43.1 million in 2025. But Carr can be released after 2023 with a dead money charge of only $3.8 million. It’s not a deal that requires heavy long-term commitment. There is a chance Carr signs a new contract, whether he restructures post-trade or simply gets released. If he does, it seems unlikely his new deal goes beyond the cap hits of his current one, although the guarantees might be higher. I could see Carr demanding a deal that has more guaranteed money if he gets traded. No matter how you slice it, though, it seems unlikely that Carr’s cap hit will ever rank higher than the No. 10 spot among quarterbacks in any of the next few seasons. Jackson is probably going to fetch a monster deal that lands in the neighborhood of the ones signed by Wilson and Watson. Wilson signed a five-year, $242.6 million deal with $161 million guaranteed. Watson signed a five-year, $230 million deal that is fully guaranteed. Watson had the largest cap hit among quarterbacks this season at $55 million, which is the exact number he will have each year through 2026. Wilson’s deal is backloaded, as his 2022 hit was $22 million and his 2023 hit will be $35.4 million, but his cap hit will be above $53 million each year from 2024 to 2028. According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, the offer Jackson rejected prior to 2022 was a six-year, $250 million deal with $133 million guaranteed. Jackson is certainly aiming for Wilson/Watson territory. Advantage: Carr Durability Carr has only missed three games in his career due to injury (2 regular season / 1 playoffs), the most recent of those coming in 2017. He’s never played fewer than 15 games in a season. Jackson was extremely durable over his first three years. He missed only two games from 2018-20 and neither of those was due to injury (one was for rest and one was due to COVID-19). However, his mobile style has started to catch up with him over the past two years. Jackson missed five games in 2021 and missed another five in 2022. He also missed the Ravens’ playoff game this year, giving him a total of 11 games missed over the past two years. Advantage: Carr Ceiling This one does not require much discussion. Jackson was the unanimous league MVP at 22 years old in his second season. Carr tied for third in MVP voting back in 2016 but has not received MVP votes in any other season. Jackson has already proven he has the ability to be the most dangerous quarterback in the league. Carr will probably never reach a level anywhere close to that. Advantage: Jackson Floor Carr has a pretty high floor. Over eight years since his rookie season, Carr has never had a completion percentage below 61%, a passing-yards-per-game average below 233, a passer rating below 86, or a net-yards-per-attempt average below 6.2 (for reference, the 2022 league average for NY/A was 6.1). For those being his absolute worst marks over nearly a decade, that’s quite reliable. Jackson’s floor is also high. Over four years since his rookie season, Jackson has never had a completion percentage below 62%, a passer rating below 87, a net-yards-per-attempt average below 6.1, or a combined average of less than 250 passing and rushing yards per game. Again, for those being his worst marks, that’s a solid worst-case scenario. Simply put, both quarterbacks have been no worse than middle-of-the-pack throughout their careers. Neither quarterback has shown they are susceptible to having a truly “bad” year. The mystery for Jackson is how low his floor might get in the future if his rushing ability wanes due to injuries. Will he be able to maintain the floor of a league-average passer once his legs are no longer a dangerous threat? Or will his passing efficiency decline once teams are less afraid of him on the ground? Because of the uncertainty of Jackson’s long-term projection, Carr offers the higher floor. He’s proven over eight years that he will probably never be much worse than a league-average quarterback. That also might be true for Jackson, but we just cannot be sure yet until we see him prove it over a longer period. Advantage: Carr Deep passing Here is where Carr and Jackson ranked in adjusted completion percentage on deep passes (20+ yards downfield) over the past four years: 2022: Carr, 39.4% (23rd of 35) – Jackson, 31.9% (32nd of 35) 2021: Carr, 39.7% (25th of 35) – Jackson, 40.7% (22nd of 35) 2020: Carr, 53.3% (2nd of 38) – Jackson, 42.3% (23rd of 35) 2019: Carr, 43.8% (16th of 35) – Jackson, 41.8% (19th of 35) *Adjusted completion percentage accounts for drops and throwaways. And here is where they ranked in EPA (Expected Points Added) per attempt on deep passes – which is more a measure of overall efficiency and production rather than merely accuracy: 2022: Carr, 0.55 (11th of 35) – Jackson, -0.36 (34th of 35) 2021: Carr, 0.52 (14th of 35) – Jackson, 0.08 (28th of 35) 2020: Carr, 1.23 (1st of 38) – Jackson, 0.29 (19th of 38) 2019: Carr, 0.40 (16th of 35) – Jackson, 0.59 (10th of 35) Carr is generally a good deep passer. While his accuracy on deep passes has dipped in the past two years, his efficiency has remained solid, and that is because he throws a lot of deep touchdowns. Carr ranked second with 11 deep touchdowns in 2022 and was sixth with 7 deep touchdowns in 2021. Jackson typically struggles on deep throws. Outside of the MVP season where he was efficient on bombs, Jackson has consistently ranked low in both accuracy and efficiency on deep passes. Advantage: Carr Intermediate passing Here is where Carr and Jackson ranked in adjusted completion percentage on intermediate passes (10-19 yards downfield) over the past four years: 2022: Carr, 52.9% (33rd of 35) – Jackson, 74.2% (1st of 35) 2021: Carr, 68.8% (4th of 34) – Jackson, 67.1% (5th of 34) 2020: Carr, 63.1% (21st of 35) – Jackson, 67.9% (12th of 35) 2019: Carr, 76.5% (2nd of 35) – Jackson, 64.9% (14th of 35) And here is where they ranked in EPA per attempt on intermediate passes: 2022: Carr, 0.30 (24th of 35) – Jackson, 0.77 (1st of 35) 2021: Carr, 0.35 (15th of 34) – Jackson, 0.49 (9th of 34) 2020: Carr, 0.29 (23rd of 35) – Jackson, 0.53 (13th of 35) 2019: Carr, 0.86 (3rd of 35) – Jackson, 0.94 (1st of 35) This is where Jackson shines the brightest as a passer. He is an elite thrower in the intermediate range, highlighted by a dominant 2022 season where he led all qualified quarterbacks in both adjusted completion percentage and EPA per attempt. Jackson also led the league in EPA per attempt on intermediate throws in 2019. Carr is erratic in the intermediate range. Over the past four years, we’ve seen him have an elite year (2019) and a terrible year (2022) in this part of the field. His 2020 season was mediocre was his 2021 season was solid. It’s hard to predict what you will get from him in this range. Advantage: Jackson Short passing Here is where Carr and Jackson ranked in adjusted completion percentage on short passes (0-9 yards downfield) over the past four years: 2022: Carr, 83.0% (18th of 35) – Jackson, 81.3% (24th of 35) 2021: Carr, 87.5% (2nd of 35) – Jackson, 83.2% (15th of 35) 2020: Carr, 84.8% (12th of 37) – Jackson, 83.1% (21st of 37) 2019: Carr, 89.0% (2nd of 34) – Jackson, 84.5% (10th of 34) And here is where they ranked in EPA per attempt on short passes: 2022: Carr, 0.11 (22nd of 35) – Jackson, 0.03 (30th of 35) 2021: Carr, 0.17 (12th of 35) – Jackson, 0.11 (20th of 35) 2020: Carr, 0.15 (22nd of 37) – Jackson, 0.17 (18th of 37) 2019: Carr, 0.19 (7th of 34) – Jackson, 0.27 (4th of 34) Carr’s accuracy on short passes tends to be very good, but his efficiency on short passes is always less impressive than his accuracy. This is mostly because of his propensity for throwing interceptions on short passes. Carr tied for first in short interceptions this year (5), eighth in 2021 (4), fourth in 2020 (4), and third in 2019 (6). Still, while the picks are concerning, Carr’s top-tier accuracy on the easy throws is a highly appealing trait. Jackson’s short passing has trended downward since an excellent season in the 2019 MVP year. He was great in the short range that year but followed it up with a couple of mediocre seasons before bottoming out with a poor year in 2022. Carr takes the edge here, but it’s not as if he has Jackson beat by a landslide. Advantage: Carr Under-pressure passing The Jets will try their best to build a good offensive line for their new quarterback, but if recent history is any indication, there is a reasonable chance that the Jets’ offensive line will struggle no matter how hard they try to beef it up. The injury bug simply hasn’t been kind to the Jets at this position. So, the Jets would prefer to have a quarterback who can thrive even when he faces a lot of pressure. Let’s see how Carr and Jackson tend to perform under pressure. Here is where Carr and Jackson ranked in adjusted completion percentage on under-pressure passes over the past four years: 2022: Carr, 66.9% (10th of 35) – Jackson, 57.1% (30th of 35) 2021: Carr, 70.3% (7th of 36) – Jackson, 67.4% (10th of 36) 2020: Carr, 66.7% (16th of 36) – Jackson, 68.5% (13th of 36) 2019: Carr, 81.7% (2nd of 35) – Jackson, 67.9% (8th of 35) And here is where they ranked in EPA per dropback when pressured: 2022: Carr, -0.08 (1st of 35) – Jackson, -0.73 (28th of 35) 2021: Carr, -0.44 (16th of 36) – Jackson, -0.48 (17th of 36) 2020: Carr, -0.42 (18th of 36) – Jackson, -0.19 (6th of 36) 2019: Carr, -0.11 (3rd of 35) – Jackson, -0.08 (2nd of 35) Carr has a good track record under pressure. In each of the past four seasons, he ranked in the top half among qualifiers in both EPA per dropback and adjusted completion percentage. That includes top-3 finishes in EPA per dropback in 2022 and 2019. Overall, Carr’s resume under pressure is more consistent. Advantage: Carr Ball security Carr has thrown 99 interceptions on 4,958 passes in his career, giving him an interception rate of 2.0%. Jackson has thrown 38 interceptions on 1,655 passes, putting his interception rate at a slightly higher 2.3%. The 2022 league average was 2.3%, so Jackson is perfectly average when it comes to avoiding picks while Carr is slightly better than average. Both quarterbacks have been trending down in this area. In 2022, Carr tossed 14 interceptions on 502 passes for a career-high rate of 2.8%. He had a 2.2% rate in 2021 – this marks the first time in his career he has posted a rate north of 2.0% in back-to-back seasons. Jackson only threw 9 interceptions on 571 passes over his first two seasons, giving him an excellent interception rate of 1.6%. Over three seasons since then, Jackson has hurled 29 interceptions on 1,084 passes for a concerning rate of 2.7%. How about fumbles? Carr has lost 36 fumbles in 142 career starts, an average of 4.3 per 17 games. Jackson has lost 15 fumbles in 61 starts, a nearly identical average of 4.2 per 17 games. While Carr and Jackson are nearly even in their frequency of losing fumbles, Carr actually fumbles the ball less frequently. Jackson has been luckier when it comes to not losing his fumbles. Carr has fumbled 80 times in 142 starts while Jackson has fumbled 40 times in 61 starts. This puts Carr at 9.6 fumbles per 17 games and Jackson at 11.1 fumbles per 17 games. Carr has lost 45% of his fumbles while Jackson has been lucky enough to lose only 37.5% of his. Advantage: Carr Running ability Does this need to be broken down? Okay, fine, we’ll do it. Jackson is still an elite rusher at the quarterback position. In 2022, Jackson averaged 63.7 rushing yards per game on 6.8 yards per attempt, the second-best Y/A mark of his career. He was averaging 68.6 yards per game if you take out the one game he left early, which would also be the second-best mark of his career. Jackson’s running ability is something that opponents have to build their gameplan around. Jets fans saw this in Week 1 of the 2022 season. New York’s defensive line played with a patient approach to shut down Jackson’s legs. And that worked, as Jackson ran for only 17 yards. But it came at a cost. Due to their disciplined style, the Jets barely generated any pressure in the passing game, and it gave Jackson the time and space he needed to fire a trio of deep touchdowns. There are a lot of concerns with Jackson, but the enormous value of his running ability has to be mentioned in any conversation about him. Jackson might be the most dangerous ball carrier in the NFL. If healthy, his athleticism alone makes him a very effective quarterback, simply due to the domino effect that comes as a result of the threat he poses. To Carr’s credit, he has begun using his legs more often in recent years. Over his first six seasons, Carr recorded only 7.0 rushing conversions per season (either a first down or a touchdown). Over the last three seasons, Carr has averaged 12.0 rushing conversions per season, running for at least 10 of them in each season. Advantage: Jackson Strength of support with former team When projecting a quarterback to a new team, it’s important to consider how well they were supported by their old team. Weapons We’ll start with pass-catching weapons. Carr’s weapons throughout his career could probably be described as decent. In 2022, though, the unit was fantastic, featuring Davante Adams, Darren Waller, and Hunter Renfrow while Josh Jacobs was thriving in the backfield. This is easily the best unit he has been surrounded by. Before Adams arrived, though, the Raiders’ weaponry peaked at “solid”. Waller and Renfrow led the way from 2019 to 2021. Prior to 2019, Carr had Amari Cooper from 2015 to 2018, although Cooper was all alone in those years. After Waller, Cooper, and Renfrow, the Raiders’ leading receivers in Carr’s career are Michael Crabtree, Seth Roberts, and running back Jalen Richard. Not great. Jackson has played with an elite tight end throughout his career in Mark Andrews, but that’s about it. Baltimore’s wide receiver unit has been extremely limited in talent. Outside of some solid years from Marquise Brown, the Ravens’ wide receiver unit has been a liability. Andrews (4,313) and Brown (2,361) are the only players with over 2,000 receiving yards for the Ravens since Jackson was drafted in 2018. Their next-leading receiver is… Willie Snead (1,422). Nobody else even has 1,000 yards with the Ravens over this five-year span. Those numbers are partially due to Baltimore’s run-heavy offense, but anybody who watches the Ravens will tell you that Jackson has not been adequately supported when it comes to pass-catching talent. So, in terms of skill-position weaponry, I’d give the edge to Jackson over Carr in terms of who received less support. If Jackson joined the Jets, it would be the best group of weapons he’s ever played with. Carr’s 2022 group was probably similarly good or slightly better than the Jets’. Advantage: Jackson Offensive line Now let’s talk about the offensive line. Carr played behind a tremendous offensive line early in his career, back in the days of prime Rodney Hudson, Kelechi Osemele, and Donald Penn. From 2015 to 2017, the Raiders had one of the league’s best lines. Osemele and Penn suffered injuries in 2018 and would not return the following year. Since 2018, the Raiders’ offensive line has typically struggled. Meanwhile, Jackson has generally had an excellent offensive line throughout his entire career. Here are where the Raiders and Ravens’ offensive lines have ranked in pass-blocking efficiency since 2018: 2022: Raiders 27th, Ravens 7th 2021: Raiders 27th, Ravens 13th 2020: Raiders 17th, Ravens 22nd 2019: Raiders 6th, Ravens 1st 2018: Raiders 26th, Ravens 3rd *Pass-blocking efficiency measures the percentage of pass-blocking snaps in which the offensive line allows any type of pressure (hurry/hit/sack) while weighing sacks twice as heavy as hurries or hits. Jackson had worse weapons. Carr had worse protection. Advantage: Carr Coaching Now how about coaching? Carr was forced to deal with a carousel of head coaches with the Raiders. He played for a total of six head coaches over nine seasons. That includes four full-time coaches (Dennis Allen, Jack Del Rio, Jon Gruden, Josh McDaniels) and two interim coaches (Tony Sparano, Rich Bassacia). Carr also had to play under five coordinators: Greg Olson (2014 and 2018-21), Bill Musgrave (2015-16), Todd Downing (2017), and Mick Lombardi (2022). Jackson has been lucky enough to enjoy far better coaching stability than Carr. John Harbaugh has been the head coach throughout Jackson’s entire tenure in Baltimore. Only two offensive coordinators have coached Jackson: Marty Mornhinweg was the Ravens’ offensive coordinator for Jackson’s rookie year and Greg Roman has held the role over the past four seasons. Roman seems to be a despised figure among Baltimore fans, but I’m not sure the criticism is warranted. Roman has an established history of getting the absolute most out of mobile quarterbacks. He was the 49ers’ OC from 2011-14 and the Bills’ OC from 2015-16. Colin Kaepernick and Tyrod Taylor each had their best years under Roman. Both quarterbacks looked like solid starters under Roman and then fell off the face of the Earth once they were separated from Roman. Clearly, Carr has been hampered by his coaching staff more than Jackson. Advantage: Carr Defense The quarterback does not share the field with his defensive teammates, but the defense still plays a major role in creating a comfortable environment for the quarterback to succeed. When the defense plays well, the quarterback can relax and avoid stressing about having to carry the team. When the defense struggles, the quarterback is forced to hold the weight of the world on his shoulders. The quality of a quarterback’s defense has a massive impact on his reputation. Winning is all people care about at the quarterback position, but winning is 50% offense and 50% defense. The quarterback can only affect 50% of the game while the defense is responsible for the other 50%, and yet, the football world charges quarterbacks with 100% of the credit for a team’s record (good or bad). Win a game 16-9 with 100 passing yards? You’re a winner who finds ways to get it done! Lose a game 34-30 with 350 passing yards? You’re a loser who can’t come through when it matters! Rant over. Anyway, let’s take a look at how Carr and Jackson have been affected by their defenses. Carr is forced to carry the Raiders every season due to an abhorrent defense. The Raiders have allowed 26.2 points per game since he was drafted in 2014, the most of any team in the league over that span. They have never ranked better than 20th in scoring defense during a single season in Carr’s career. Jackson enjoys the luxury of playing for a franchise that has a historical track record of fielding elite defenses on a consistent basis, and that has not changed over the last five years. Since Jackson was drafted in 2018, Baltimore has allowed the second-fewest points per game in the NFL at 19.3. Think about the difference between 26.2 and 19.3. Carr needs 27 points to win his average game. Jackson needs 20 points. That’s one whole extra touchdown per game that Carr must score to be victorious. Carr has a lot of losses that would have been wins if he had the Ravens’ defense behind him, and Jackson has a lot of wins that would have been losses if he had the Raiders’ defense behind him. Advantage: Carr Final results Here is our scorecard: Trade assets required: Carr Cap space required: Carr Durability: Carr Ceiling: Jackson Floor: Carr Deep passing: Carr Intermediate passing: Jackson Short passing: Carr Under pressure: Carr Ball security: Carr Running ability: Jackson Weaker weapons: Jackson Weaker offensive line: Carr Weaker coaching staff: Carr Weaker defense: Carr What do you think, Jets fans? If you had to choose one of the two, would you rather see the Jets pursue Derek Carr or Lamar Jackson?

That’s on you, I closed my eyes.,

Seems like most people on this board want a pound of flesh from Douglas and/or Saleh for the Wilson pick. They also claim it was an "epic" disaster. I don't think either statement is close to being accurate. Wilson was the consensus second pick in the 2021 draft. If the Jets didn't take him, the 49ers were going to pick him 3rd after they traded up. Are the 49ers a bad organization? When you get a high draft pick and have no QB, it makes perfect sense to take a swing. If it was any other season, a 2 win Jets team in 2020 would have had the first pick and Lawrence would be the QB. Then Douglas would be a messiah. Instead, the Jets perennial "good fortune" and stupidity in winning those two games late in 2020 kicked in and Lawrence is a Jaguar. If the Jets took Lawrence at #1 in 2021, people would be pushing for a Douglas statue at MetLife. There is quite a bit of luck in the QB drafting thing, and the Jets have had no luck at all. What other QB drafted in 2021 is a future NFL starter, let alone franchise QB? Lance? He can't stay on the field and is as raw as they come. His days in SF seem over. Fields? He appears to be a running back playing QB and is struggling to pick up the NFL passing game and to process things quickly. He's on the same path as Wilson, except the Bears will be forced to evaluate him longer and will pass on a QB again this year and that may come back to haunt them. Mac Jones? He is physically limited and appears to be no better than a future journeyman. He may get one more year on a fading Pats team. Keeping Darnold was not the answer either. He has shown absolutely nothing in 5 years now. Yes, the Jets could have kept him and traded down and filled in more of the roster, but they'd be in the same place now - a middling NFL team with a strong roster and no. QB. In today's NFL, it pays to take a chance on a young QB on a rookie deal. The repercussions from missing on a draft pick are not nearly as great as missing on a veteran free agent QB or a trade (see Denver's Russell Wilson mess). Spending $30-40 million over 4 years on a rookie QB is far less disastrous than spending $100-150 million for 3-4 years for a free agent, or 3-4 early draft picks and $100-200 million on a QB trade. Deciding to sign Carr or Rodgers this offseason and getting it wrong is far worse than missing on Wilson. The resources needed for a veteran QB are far greater than on a high draft pick QB. That is what makes it worth it to take a shot at the college QB when you get a chance. If it hits, you win the lottery. Douglas and Saleh do not have to "pay" for taking a shot on Wilson. That is a ridiculous take propagated by an often ignorant fan base. Teams miss on drafted QBs more than they hit. Look at the NFL junkyard littered with failed QB prospects - Winston, Mariotta, Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Wilson, Lance, (soon to be Fields and Jones ), Haskins, Lock, Wentz, Lynch, Bortles, Manzeil, Bridgewater.... Compare that to the few that make it. It does not appear easy to determine which college QBs will make the grade and which will not. Did the Chargers really know that Herbert was the real deal in 2020 when they took him at 6 after Tua, or were they just lucky? I think it is the latter. If the 2020 QB class was available in 2021, the Jets may have had Herbert rather than Wilson. Does that really make the Chargers Tom Telesco better at evaluating QBs than Douglas? Nope. It makes Telesco lucky he had an early pick that year instead of the following year.

I have a job.

Wilson was not the consensus number 2 pick. He was a workout warrior who flew up the boards. Because of a stupid pass in basketball shorts. It was always Trevor and than fields. I have no problem with joe d taking a qb. But when the one you pick puts up Jamarcus russel and Ryan leaf stats, a firing shouldn’t be off the table.

I wanted to trade down and build the team prior to taking a QB, but either way. I think the real mistake was to not get MLF help when it was obvious he was over his head (or replace him) - Wilson looked best when his personal coach joined the team - clearly the Jets needed the help and they didn't adjust the following year (I get year 1 with the Knapp accident). If you are going to draft a QB you need to have a quality, patient, and sound OC and staff. Rookie OC and Rookie QB without quality QB coaches is just a bad plan. If you daft a QB in the top 10, you had better do your best to develop him.

Is there any reason to think MCII's tweet was not directed at the source(s) rather than the writer?

If I'm the Jets, I'm paying Greg Roman big money to come here as an Senior Offensive Assistant/Run Game Coordinator. Ideal marriage is pairing someone who is creative and well coached with QBs (Brian Johnson) and a guy like Roman to design and implement your run game/RPO packages.

You ask for a miracle? I give you Shad O'Chea..

"partying"... The kid was sitting in a box watching the preseason game. Other injured players were in the box with him. He got excited when Streveler led a game-winning drive... big deal. Pick something else to complain about - there's a lot to choose from - but some of these made up narratives are insane.

Let’s reverse chuck norris this Zach Wilson killed Hedwig Zach Wilson takes money from tip jars Zach Wilson took down Toys ‘r Us Zach Wilson wrote Star Wars episode 8 Zach Wilson bangs peoples moms. Oh wait, that’s true

I must say, Dov Kleiman sounds like a name created by ChatGPT

First in the building, last to leave.... film junky... yaddy yada... so basically Zachenberg is none of the things we have heard, all PC verbiage. one of the worst Qb's and we could have chosen Fields, who may not be the passer we hoped but is instant offense. and we get panic pocket, can't read a defense or make a simple screen pass Wilson.

Zach Wilson is the biggest bully and worst person ever.

Gut feeling if he wants the job I think it will be his. There's a lot of support for him around the league, but also some connections among the Jets decision makers. He's known for being innovative, adaptable, and has strong communication skills. He's pretty much the opposite of MLF in the sense that he connects with players well and takes guys under his wing. As far as connections with the organization: Joe Douglas is still close with a lot of people in the Philadelphia Eagles and University of Florida football programs. There's also Rex Hogan who worked with a lot of the guys on the PHI staff and also was in the same building as Brian Johnson at the college level as well. But the underrated aspect to all of this is Robert Saleh's connection. Matt LaFleur and the Packers interviewed Brian Johnson for their OC position last year and came away extremely impressed. Saleh consults with former coaches and players (Mike Shanahan, Steve Young, Alex Smith, etc.) as well and their recommendation is part of the reason why they hired Greg Knapp in the first place... both Steve Young and Alex Smith are big Brian Johnson guys. Johnson was Alex Smith's former backup and roommate. Not that anyone cares about him on here, but there are also connections to Zach Wilson as well... Zach was a huge Utah Ute fan growing up and first connected with Brian Johnson at their yearly summer camps. To my knowledge they stayed in contact throughout his adolescence. As we all know, Steve Young and Alex Smith are two of Zach's higher profile mentors. Being that the Jets are sincere about wanting to develop Wilson, bringing in a guy who he's familiar with that has the reputation, temperament, diligence, and track record for developing QBs is a compelling reason in addition to everything else Johnson brings to the table

Zach wilson is a film junkie That much is true. It's just milf clips tho

He doesn't even drink dude lol Gotta try harder than this

Retweeting your own tweet is a desperate cry for attention.

this mf said Nana

If the Jets should have issues with anyone it should be the players that spoke with Rosenblatt. He was just doing his job. If anything MCII should have issue with his teammates or the former teammates who shared dirty laundry with a writer.

The more we ignore these fake stories, the faster they will go away

Drafting quarterbacks is a crapshoot. So if a team offers you the 12th pick, a third round pick, and first round picks each of the next two years for the second pick and you’ve got no infrastructure, personnel or coaching wise, in place to support a young quarterback - you take it, build the team, and figure out quarterback later. Team could have Devonta Smith, an additional third round pick in 2021, an additional first round pick last year, and an additional first round pick this year. Instead, Zach Wilson.

Based on his career stats, theres only a 55.2% chance he actually hit MLF.

Word has it, the M f’n White T-shirts originated from this event. After the 10-3 loss to the Patriots, Elijah Moore told Zach Wilson that he is a terrible QB, then several other players circled around Zach and started taunting him, telling him that his mom was a whore. Zach cried and told MLF what happened and apparently MLF said, “Well, is she?” And then Zach went to Robert Saleh and he said, “Don’t worry Zach, we will get to the bottom of this.” Meanwhile that night, several Jets surrounded him and gave him a noogie. Saleh saw this and realized he had to do something and benched him for Mike White. Once announced, players lifted Mike and carried him around the locker room singing “We are the champions”. MLF decided to order M f’n White T-shirts for everyone, to cover up how terrible of a play caller he was, and figured he would jump on the M f’n White bandwagon. Robert Saleh refused to wear the t-shirt, saying “bullying is not tolerated in this locker room.” The only player to come to Zach Wilson’s defense was James Robinson, who was consequently benched and deactivated for the remainder of the year. Word has it.

This woulda been pretty cool when I was like 12.

Anyone find it really presumptive that everyone talks about the Zach Wilson Era in the past tense already?

Big difference between Zach being a bad quarterback vs. an international terrorist. He's just a bad quarterback. It happens more often than not

I’m so confused. I don’t know which metaphor to use here. Titanic for the leaks or Hindenburg for the drama ?

Are we talking singles tennis or are we talking Raiders vs Ravens? Zach Wilson was 5-4 this year and Mike White was 1-3!!!! Attributing W/L records to individual players in a team sport will never not be stupid. either way, it sounds like Lamar isn’t going anywhere, so I recommend getting over it sooner than later.

With our historic o line collapse by the end of the last two seasons it’s like deciding to buy a a Corvette or an M5 to drive off the top of an 8 story parking garage.

Dude, the ego and chip on your shoulder you come with is fascinating. They are not an apples to apples acquisition. You have to give up a sh*t ton more draft capital get Jackson, and pay him probably at least double overall and triple or more in guarantees. I think if you asked people all comp and costs being equal, or even if both are just FA's most would chose Jackson. But both have huge risks associated with them, and if Jackson continues his yearly decline since getting his MVP trophy, the Jets are literally done for like 10 more years. If Carr fails you are fine in 2-3 years.

Nobody prefers Carr. But not everything is equal between their situations. I want a Lamborghini but can only afford a camry, get it?

Can you repeat that?

No one saw this coming. He had one statistically good year in college playing against nobodies. It was impossible for anyone to predict Wilson wouldn’t be good. Just impossible.

JD can’t get a new QB in here soon enough. Let’s put this Zach crap in our rear view. He’s a backup for the NY Jets at best in the future

Just what we needed to watch. Thanks!!

Verbal, the Lover without genitalia.

Wilson wasn't my consensus pick. I had him on my do-not-draft list. I also had Becton on my do not-draft list. Two years in a row, JD did exactly the wrong thing. I can't believe that there are fans in here who are not past ready to move on from ZW.

Hahahahah suck it @Verbal. No votes for you this game. Go Town! lol. Now to continue preparing for my epic @CTM Search Party game.

Kind of gives some insight as to how LaFleur was married to his scheme, which was unnecessarily complex - specifically for the receivers. As we saw, many receivers had been in the dog house through MLF's two year stint here, so this isn't shocking. It had never been disclosed publicly, but we had noted a while back that MLF preferred Flacco/White to Zach in his scheme... he handpicked Zach as the QB he wanted to work with, but when Zach wasn't ready to play from within the pocket the way LaFleur wanted him to, it quickly became a "he" problem. In fairness to MLF, he, like many in the Shanahan tree, saw Zach as a player who can be a Patrick Mahomes-type player if he learned how to be like Kirk Cousins or Jimmy Garoppolo or Mike White 80% of the time while being the second-reaction playmaker 20% of the time. I don't think MLF was wrong. Problem? He didn't raise his hand to say "Zach is not ready to start" during his rookie year (he's known to be conflict avoidant) AND didn't really do much to ensure that Zach was improving in the day-to-day QB drills. In short, he didn't really have a plan. Again, a lot of fans on here were openly ranting about Zach's tendency to bail out of the pocket. MLF and the coaches would tell Zach to avoid negative plays at all costs- whether it be sacks or turnovers- and throwing the ball away was a win. He was praised for it internally until the first NE game, and when they lost/the heat was turned up on them, LaFleur then told him "don't do that anymore", which gave a ton of mixed messages. It certainly wasn't appreciated by Zach. He wanted answers "why" but was given non-answers by LaFleur. Still, Zach did listen. He adhered to the quick-pass gameplan against Buffalo and they won. Then, after the bye, the gameplan was to attack the Patriots downfield. There's no defending Zach in terms of how he played, excuses for the wind, offensive line play, and his post-game press conference, but the one thing we didn't see out of Zach that we probably could've used? Trying to extend plays outside of the pocket. Instead of rolling out to avoid the sack or throw the ball away, we saw more sacks. I wonder why... This has been detailed at nauseum by now. Moore grew frustrated with MLF, namely because he felt MLF was being fake. MLF said Moore was doing everything right to him and publicly, but was telling Miles Austin something else. But every time MLF would talk to Moore, he didn't say he was doing anything wrong. Finally he asked point blank and MLF basically said, wellll you're doing this this and this wrong, which set Moore off. As I've explained a few times on here, Zach got to a point where he hated Connor Hughes. Hughes tries to play buddy buddy with the players, but this year particularly he let his ego get the best of him... instead of being fair and rational, Hughes became more of a hot-take artist. After the first NE game, Hughes used the poor performance as an opportunity to character assassinate Zach by calling him immature, entitled, and selfish. Zach and his PR team took extreme exception to that, with his PR manager telling me (paraphrased) "this guy sucks Zach's d**k for the past year constantly asking for favors, and the first opportunity he gets he doesn't even bother to criticize Zach's game, rather, uses it as an opportunity to character assassinate him." If you look back at Zach's media availability between the first NE game and the last one, you'll notice Zach's hostility towards Connor. Doesn't make him right, but figured it adds more context. The one thing I'll saw that's a little inconsistent here: Zach planned to address the team, but Robert Saleh told him to wait (according to Zach's PR team at least). Woody told LaFleur that he wouldn't be fired and suggested that decision would be left up to Saleh, but made it clear that MLF wouldn't get an extension, which would've meant MLF would spend 2023 as a lame-duck coach. Typically assistants and coordinators get a 2 or 3 year deal (MLF's was 3 years) and unless they wind up being a super-star coordinator, it's commonplace for them to at least have their contract extended for a year to avoid the "lame-duck" situation... sometimes coaches themselves turn down the extension, but its less common that a coordinator is told they won't have a year tacked onto their deal.