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  1. 90 points
    My father lost his battle with cancer this past Sunday night. He was the toughest man I know, and put up a fight until the end. Unfortunately we did not get to watch one last game together, but I was sure to let him now that they did win two in row for him. He is the reason I am a Jets fan (yes, its fault lol, but I would not change it for the world). Although we moved to FL when I was young, we would often spend summers back in NY, and one of my fondest memories was when he took me to Hofstra for training camp in 86. It was the first time in my life that I met any professional athletes in person, and I still have a Jets helmet with many of the 86 players signatures. Since I was not around when he was able to see the Jets win their only Superbowl, I had always wished that we would be able to see one together. Sadly, that will not happen, but I know he will always be with me, especially if and when I finally get to see one. This picture is from 2012 in Jax at the Tampa Fan Club tailgate. It was the last game we went to together, and I will always have great memories of watching and discussing the jets with him.
  2. 75 points
    Because someone had the temerity to suggest Maccagnan has done a good job here - or even an acceptable one - page one of JetNation must be counterbalanced with another highlighting how awful he is and has been. There's a well known expression, that gets repeated around here a lot, about the definition of insanity. Keeping a GM like Maccagnan makes me think of that. Another that comes to mind goes something like those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. Well plenty have brought up draft picks, particularly those drafted outside the top 6 overall (where a junior high school kid could credibly succeed if armed only with an internet connection) -- selections that range from the merely terrible to the outright humiliating. However Maccagnan is and has been the GM here, and not merely the head of college scouting, so let's see more of the non-draft GM'ing we can expect more of in the future by looking at the past...if you get an hour with nothing to do, lol: Right away he set the stage to lose Damon Harrison instead of extending him while he had all the leverage. It's stupidity he's repeated to this day, and the only reason it isn't more obvious is he has signed so few players worth keeping that there's again a mountain of cap room. It's doubtful Snacks would have cost even $6MM per year as a RFA in the spring of 2015, when no one would fork over a 2nd rounder to pry him away from us (nor was there a leak anyone offered us anything at all for him, to see if we'd take a 4th rounder or something) -- not even after the draft, when a surrendered pick wouldn't come due until the following season. We had a mountain of cash to spend, and instead of using a mere $5MM-ish of it to reinvest in the DL's keystone, it myopically went on short-term older and bad veterans listed below. So we lost him in 2016, after 1 more year of his consistently good play, and then spent $3.5 MM/year on Steve McLendon to replace him. This FA Master decided that the 30 year-old McLendon and ~$2MM/year savings was worth more than the 27 year-old Harrison. After the swap, the Jets' DL immediately fell apart and it hasn't been the same ever since. Where'd that mountain of cap money go instead? David Harris at $7.5MM per with 2 years fully guaranteed. It was utterly ridiculous at the time to pay him like a top-5 ILB. He was slow 5 years earlier in his mid-20s when Alge Crumpler, who looked every bit of 300 pounds in his final NFL season, ran him down from behind (and from across the field) after a pick was thrown right at him in the playoffs. Solid player once upon a time, but at this time to hand him this contract was just foolishness. It foreshadowed what was to come from a GM who was in way over his head from the start. Antonio Cromartie at $7MM for 2015 (and $8MM per beyond that if kept) was insane. It may have been only 1 year, but they paid him 2 years of his annual value in that 1 year. Arizona got him for half that in between his Jets years. Worse still, this stupidity was offered after already signing Revis and Skrine. Was Bowles the one who had Cro on his wish list? Undoubtedly. That doesn't mean you pay any price if you know better. Macc didn't know better. Bowles actually tried making excuses for Cro's terrible preseason, citing how he's a slow starter but it'll get better. It never did, and he was cut after just 1 year of paying him at the rate of a top 15 corner. Darrelle Revis ended up as 2 years at a jaw-dropping $19.5MM per because Maccagnan guaranteed him some $10MM more than #2-bidder NE, after he already showed he wasn't the player he once was (and was never going to be again). But hey, he got to show off to his boss that he was the one who got Revis back. Revis showed him why even the 2nd-highest bid was so much lower. So we were treated to one pretty good season for $39MM. Marcus Gilchrist at $5.5MM per. Cut after 2 years for sucking on the job. Buster Skrine at $6MM per. Since 2015 he has been every Jets fan's favorite player to rip on, and makes every Jets fan's list on whom to cut the following season. At least now he won't be on those lists because he'll be a FA. Get that? This is the shining example of a successful Maccagnan FA signing who played out the entire contract. Brandon Marshall at $9MM, but the reality to the story is he was given to us by a Bears team that wanted him not just gone, but gone specifically to the Jets so we wouldn't draft a "#1" WR in the slot ahead of them the following month. Any draft pick they got in return was gravy. James Carpenter. At $5MM per season he looked like a brilliant pickup those first 2 seasons. Well he was the leftover starter remaining after other FA targets decided to sign with other teams, so it's not like Carpenter was the target. I think the top target was Boling (can't remember for sure), but he got extended last minute. Next target was Iupati, and after going full court press on him, the guard signed with Arizona instead. Carpenter was the leftover, and exceeded all expectations for '15 and '16 (if it was expected, Carpenter would have been the first choice at this price). But that ended abruptly in 2017, and we still kept him on for another lousy season in 2018 because Maccagnan brought in or drafted nobody else (again). If the drafts weren't so OL-barren maybe he could have been benched in mid-2017 and (appropriately) cut before 2018. Trapping himself into keeping this player for 2 substandard seasons at full pay badly tarnishes the original signing. Quinton Coples. This one gets forgotten about, because we got lucky, but had Coples gotten injured before he got benched in 2015, the Jets would have been locked into paying him $7MM in 2016 because Maccagnan exercised his 5th year option. Coples was cooperative enough to play even worse, without getting badly injured, so he was able to get benched and then cut before he stubbed his toe in the locker room. For all the money spent, there isn't a single totally-good pickup in the whole bunch, and the draft looks even worse with the benefit of hindsight. This should tell anyone how useless the NFL Executive of the Year award really is. Maccagnan's tenure unfortunately didn't end at the 2015 offseason, though: Fitzpatrick the 2016 free agent was an extended, national embarrassment that made Maccagnan look like the enormous amateur he was and is: offering a contract no one else would consider matching, and leaving it out on the table for 5 months of refusal by the player. Then after he caved to Fitz and they agreed $12MM for the season - i.e. after they got some firsthand glimpses of Hackenberg on the practice field - Maccagnan childishly leaked to the media that Fitz had 24 hours to show up to sign it or the GM was rescinding the offer. What an insecure a-hole. Meanwhile if he'd simply cut ties with Fitz instead of offering a 3-year extension, someone else would have signed him. We'd have been rid of him, we'd have had another $12MM to play with, we could have moved on as a team, and as a bonus we would have been granted a compensatory pick for losing him on top of it all. Most of all it would have forced his hand to do the right thing and move up to #1 in the draft instead of staying pat while figuring Fitz was his ace in the hole, and fully piss away two NFL seasons in the process for nothing. A smart GM, if he was going to re-sign Fitz at all, makes a deal with him during the 2015 season not after it's over with Fitz then a UFA eyeing the latest year of salary inflation. Waiting too long on extensions is a pattern with Macc that continues to this day. Breno Giacomini. The Jets had a bit of a cap problem after all Macc's early spending. Breno wasn't a Maccagnan acquisition, but by 2016 the guaranteed portion of his contract was comfortably behind us so he was year to year. He was far too injured to make the opening day roster, wasn't good even when 100% healthy, and instead of cutting him like he should have - or at least negotiating a large pay cut in exchange for a guaranteed roster spot - Maccagnan keeps him at full pay ($5MM; then still decent starter money for a RT). What was the concern -- that there'd be a mad rush for teams to sign a badly-injured Breno off waivers at $5MM? Well after 7 weeks on the PUP list he returned to the 2-5 Jets. After just 5 starts he went on IR and rookie Shell filled in the rest of the way. Remember total wastes like this $5MM when the Jets could have signed this or that player for an extra million or two per season more than they offered. Ryan Clady. This was a mess of Maccagnan's own making; he was not a victim of circumstance here. He did nothing with regards to the overpriced Brick while FAs (e.g. Okung) signed elsewhere. Then a week into April he suddenly gives Brick an ultimatum: take a 50% pay cut or get released. Brick refuses, which unnecessarily creates an hole at LT two weeks before the draft. To fix this he then trades away a mid-round pick for the unreliable Clady, who predictably gets injured, and after playing injured for over a month has to go on IR for the 2nd half of the season. Basically about $1MM per game for Clady; even more if you want to count only healthy games. A smart person would have just done nothing and wait to the draft (or at least wait through the first 3 rounds) instead of creating a crisis, or made sure he signed an available FA LT when he had the chance. Amazingly, after this failure injured half-season, this boob of a GM actually offered Clady another new contract to keep him for longer. As is the case with many of Maccagnan's best non-moves, the Jets were only saved by the player turning it down; in this case due to Clady thinking too highly of his own worth. No one else made him any offer at all, and he retired. Brandon Marshall. After showing himself to be a (if not the) major source for major discord in the locker room in 2016, this doltish GM offered him an extension. Much like with FAs a year later, the offer was turned down because even Marshall didn't want to spend more time on teams Maccagnan was charged with assembling. Jarvis Jenkins. This useless sack of crap was paid $3MM as a UFA to be a backup for half a season, in the same offseason we were due to lose a handful of qualifying UFAs. If Jenkins wasn't such an impossibly awful pickup, and they could justify keeping him for 1 full season, this pickup would have cost us a 3rd round compensatory pick. Read that again; that is exactly what Maccagnan the great FA picker-upper signed on for. A technicality that gave him a redo he never thought he'd need, plus Jenkins sufficiently demonstrating his full uselessness prior to week 10, allowed Maccagnan to be rescued from his own sub-moronic plan. Matt Forte. A has-been who'd been on a steady decline for years. Maccagnan signed this north of 30 years old RB starter-money, guaranteed this starter money for 2 seasons, and as a cherry on top this pickup canceled out the mid-round compensatory pick we'd have been awarded for losing Chris Ivory to FA. After 2 generally poor seasons, Forte's going away present was lobbying to Bowles to fire the only Jets coach/coordinator who didn't call plays like he was trying to get the Jets some spots in NyQuil and Unisom commercials. Bilal Powell. I've liked Powell better than most, I think, but as a GM you sign either Forte or you sign Powell, not both. Pick one veteran, then draft young players for this youngest-man's position. Locking himself into both of these guys for 2 years - plus the compensatory draft pick each cost - undoubtedly influenced undervaluing RB prospects' worth to the Jets when our picks were coming up. Instead of Kamara or Hunt (current news on the latter notwithstanding), the "value" move for Macc was trading down ...and drafting Ardarius Stewart. When a GM surrenders a compensatory draft pick or fails to trade a player for a pick, it's the same as trading a pick itself instead of keeping it. He's choosing one over the other. Well in 2016 alone, Maccagnan was prepared to trade away 4 draft picks so he could sign/re-sign Jarvis Jenkins, Matt Forte, Bilal Powell, and Steve McLendon (I'd throw in Fitz in there but a team is limited to 4 compensatory picks in any one season; so swap him in place of any of the other 4 if you like). Think those draft picks weren't valuable? He did, and he spent half the ensuing 2017 draft trading down to get them all back, and in doing so drafted inferior prospects. He really stinks at this. Muhammad Wilkerson. Another embarrassment. Macc could have extended Mo in 2015 when his price tag was likely in the $10MM/year range. He didn't, because he wanted to trade him instead. Fair enough, but he was and is so bad at this: his asking price of a 1st & more was beyond what anyone would pay. Then a year later in 2016 - after Mo's 12 sack season - he repeats the same exact mistake, seeking a 1st rounder yet again, which of course still no one would pay. Then the 2016 draft comes, and he's miraculously offered a rescue parachute that would cleanly solve all of his biggest problems at once: trade up to #1 and draft a franchise QB. It would have made his then-embarrassing Fitz debacle go away; would have made the Mo holdout and non-negotiation go away; and would have solved the little problem of getting a great young QB in his 2nd year on the job. It would also have saved him from the embarrassment of a QB he did draft. Maccagnan passes up on it all because he felt an extra 3rd rounder made the price too steep. He instead passes up on Goff (or Wentz) at #1 and stays where we were at #20: he drafts Lee, drafts Hackenberg, signs Fitz for $12MM, and then to make room for Fitz he signs Mo to a $17MM/year contract that ended up being $37MM for 2 years (and no draft pick) -- for a player he wanted to trade away in the first place. And as though all that wasn't enough, we find out later that Maccagnan knew of Mo's lazy tendencies beforehand. Sheldon Richardson. While people are fast to point to the Seahawks rescuing Maccagnan from his own stupidity, let's examine. He had Sheldon, Mo, and had just exercised the 5th year option for Coples when he drafted Leonard Williams with the 6th overall pick. Coples aside, since he was still standing up at OLB, it's still one too many: nobody runs a 4-man line with no edge rushers on it; it's just too slow regardless of the individual talent. Moving Sheldon around (including at LB) gets poked fun at by fans, but he was too good to keep on the sideline and it was an effort to get all his best players on the field and Sheldon was easily the most athletically versatile among them (especially in 2016 after Coples was long gone). The solution was to move at least one of them then - either right after drafting Leo, or at the latest after that 2015 season - while both Mo and Sheldon had higher trade value. Instead all 3 were kept for two full seasons. The 2nd rounder for Sheldon of course carried the trade value of a late 3rd rounder, since the pick didn't come until the following season. That's the calculation Seattle made, and saved Maccagnan from his stupid self because his phone wasn't ringing off the hook despite everyone knowing he wanted to move Sheldon. For all the fan cooing over that transaction, we should have already had our FQB before May of 2016, using either Mo or Sheldon to move up to #1, with that opportunity offered on a silver platter. Instead we went with keeping Leo and Mo and Sheldon, drafting Christian Hackenberg, and then bringing back Fitzpatrick (followed by McCown after him). This is the domino effect of not making a move when the opportunity is there, with multiple NFL seasons unnecessarily wasted, as the byproduct of Maccagnan's ineptitude. Ben Ijalana. Though this 2017 FA signing seems insignificant amid some of these whoppers, it should be noted that even after seeing up close what little he brought, and after signing Beachum to a 3-year deal, Maccagnan then signed Ijalana for nearly $6MM for that same 2017 season (eventually declining the following year option at ~$5MM). What this did was effectively make a meh but not unreasonable Beachum UFA signing at $8MM per in actuality a $14MM signing for the Beachum-Ijalana duo at left tackle. For 2017 the Jets spent as much on that Beachum-Ijalana duo as any other NFL team spent for its left tackle starter+backup combo. This was in a planned tank offseason, no less; if Beachum was bad again what would have been the harm? It's not like Ijalana is the cure to left tackle ills anyway. Brian Winters. Entering 2016 Winters was a $3-4MM guard: a marginal starter drafted somewhat recently, with some potential. Winters did a fine job when Colon went on IR, but his play before that was spotty to say the least. Maccagnan has it leaked out he was going to make a play for Osemele in FA. If the Jets did sign Osemele then Winters would lose his starting job and spend the final season of his rookie contract as a backup. That was the time a good GM locks up his young guard. Maccagnan doesn't. And he doesn't sign Osemele either, because the Raiders offer him like $12MM - left tackle money at the time - and Maccagnan had already blown too much cap room in 2015 to afford that (especially with Fitz and Mo situations lingering). So he waits until another full season goes by, and after painting himself into a corner is forced to fork over an $8MM/year deal for a guard he could have had for about half that in 2016 (certainly for no more than Carpenter got a year earlier as a full UFA with a former 1st round pedigree). The reasons this doesn't look so bad? First is the other 4 offensive linemen - the ones that Maccagnan actually brought in himself - are all worse players than Winters. Second is the massive amount of cap room because the team has so few of Macc's picks & pickups worth extending/keeping. Trumaine Johnson. Looks like the latest in a long line of FAs who don't come close to living up to the price paid, using the Jets for their final cash-ins before mailing in their careers. I never saw a player tweak his quad a little in practice and then miss a month (or rather, I hadn't until this season). Turning 30 at the close of the 2019 season, he was always going to be in danger of getting cut after the 2 year guaranteed portion of his FA contract ran out. Therefore it was in his interest to just go after the largest guarantee, no matter where that was, and structure it with a purposely-lower year 3 amount to entice the team to keep him for the first of the non-guaranteed seasons. Basically unlike the other ultra-high dollar FAs who turned us down, he didn't have their concerns about cutting their careers short by choosing the wrong team in 2018, losing perhaps tens of millions in the process. Spencer Long. Of all the things Maccagnan knew he was doing in March or April of 2018, it was getting his franchise QB. Whether that was his first preference for signing Kirk Cousins for an all-guaranteed $90MM/3 deal, or signing on to willingly accept the leftover 3rd-best QB in the draft, one of those two scenarios was definitely happening. Though the 2017 OL was again lousy, and yet again put a starting QB on IR, the entire net sum of OL improvement Maccagnan made in FA and the draft combined? He upgraded from his previous season's pick at center - a healthy but lousy Wesley Johnson - at $2.7MM to a lousy center with injury concerns at $7MM, whose latest injury made snapping the ball an unpredictable adventure for the QB. Long is guaranteed $3MM of his $6.5MM for 2019 if he's on the roster the 3rd day after the superbowl, so the Jets must make a decision on him before they can talk to any FAs (never mind before the draft). That's some ace contract structuring there, folks. So glad now he's in charge of contract structuring instead of Davidson. -- In the 2018 offseason, agents for NFL FAs used this boob, as we saw players turn him down like we've never seen before in the NFL's free agency era. Literally 5 high-priced FAs told our just-recently extended GM to piss off after using him to up their dollars elsewhere. Despite the cap-flush Jets being the high bidder they chose other teams, rather than play on and risk their names and careers playing alongside the garbage roster Maccagnan had assembled to date. In his 4th season Jets under his watch were quite simply an unattractive destination for those with options. None of this gets into the FAs and trades that we didn't make over the last 4 years (e.g. moving up to #1 in 2016) when the opportunities were there. Instead we were repeatedly treated to "The Jets also inquired" in lieu of actual results, or going into a season with emergency/backup plans serving as planned starters without any credible competition (e.g. Wesley Johnson). This ineptitude in acquiring veterans should hardly come as surprising: in his 4th offseason the Maccagnan front office was rated by dozens of NFL agents as being in the bottom 5 worst-prepared in contract negotiations. This is an embarrassing body of work without even addressing the piss poor draft record (particularly outside the top 6 overall picks, where successful teams annually find themselves), or his willingness to part with draft picks for the likes of Forte, McLendon, Jarvis Jenkins, Rashard Robinson, Zac Stacy, Clady, and more. There are 2-3 of the above player failures that individually should be fireable offenses just by themselves. Taking all of them and more collectively, it's ridiculous that he should still be employed, let alone extended further, unless it's just to prevent Macc's successful successor from being hired without Woody Johnson in charge of the process. It's hard to imagine the best possible HC candidates look at all of this and say, "Yep, I want to hitch my career to the players Mike Maccagnan brings in for me." Maybe they just don't know about all of this, or maybe that's what we have to pray for. But it's harder still to imagine, after 3 consecutive seasons (and counting) of Maccagnan rosters earning top-6 draft picks, that a few Jets fans to actually want more of this trash. One doesn't just say "Sam Darnold" after passing on 4 successful franchise QBs available to him in the prior 2 drafts, as though success despite ineptitude (i.e. luck) is the likely expectation going forward rather than the enormity of the messes above and even more from the non-top-6 draft picks. Maybe the thought is this: all the Jets need to build a winner is another decade of regular season ineptitude, so Maccagnan can accumulate 10 more top-6 overall draft picks.
  3. 74 points
    General Notes - Practice ran 2 hours and 10 minutes - Players were in shorts & shells - Elevated spy cameras are now being used to film the "all 22" view of practice instead of actual cameramen - There are now two video replay screens available so coaches/players can immediately review a drill or play - Surprisingly, music is back at practice as it was playing throughout - Marcus Maye, Brian Poole, Brandon Bryant and Bless Austin were working with the trainers. And Brian Winters also wasn't there based on One Jets Drive I expect his wife was giving birth Coach Corner With a change in staff here are some of the differences I noticed: - Practice no longer starts with an exercise period. It started with an 11 on 11 situational drill. The offense was backed up inside the 20 and had a series of plays to move the ball. It was run at half speed - The tempo of the offense has increased dramatically. The play is called and the offense is at the line with 20 seconds left on the play clock - Gregg Williams may be the face of the defense but he let's his coaches coach. Dennard Wilson (DB coach) who was given the title of "passing game coordinator" was actually tying the LB's & DB's together in coverage. Sadly I never saw that with the previous regime - Gauntlet drills are used during individual periods for WR's and OLine. The WR's weave through trash cans and have to catch balls fired at them. And OLinemen have to strike and slide through a gauntlet of five defenders - Mid practice "gassers" were run, not out of anger but for conditioning purposes Player Notes - Quadree Henderson, Greg Dortch, Tim White, JJ Jones & Valentine Holmes were trying out as retureners - LeVeon Bell displayed his unique skills today. Catching a simple screen pass, hesitating and blowing by defenders for first downs. And powering through the middle of the defense for a big run (25+ yards) - Ty Montgomery was also impressive out of the backfield - Tarell Basham (OLB) had a good day showing excellent timing on blitzes and anticipation of the snap count - Frankie Luvu (OLB) had the play of the day with a "pick 6" off of Davis Webb QB Notes - Impressive day for Sam Darnold not because of any sexy plays but with his command of the offense. When the defense brought pressure he was reading it and communicating with Jonotthan Harrison and the rest of the offense to beat it. Excellent chemistry with Jamison Crowder on a couple of blitz beaters which had the defense cursing - Disappointing accuracy by Trevor Siemian and Davis Webb in their reps. As veterans I expected more from them Standouts - Sam Darnold (command of the offense) - LeVeon Bell - Jamison Crowder - Ty Montgomery - Tarell Basham - Frankie Luvu Concerns - Inaccuracy of the backup QB's - Offense didn't function well when Darnold wasn't under center
  4. 71 points
    Hey guys, its been a little while since posting. Earlier this year moved out of my parents house into my own house, and in between re-painting EVERY ROOM but 2, I have been hard at work on my den which has become my Jets Man Cave. I'm really happy with how this has turned out. I had a rough idea of how I wanted to do things, but it became like a puzzle and all the pieces began falling place. There's a lot of depressing stuff going on right now, so i'm hoping to provide a little relief unveiling it off to the rest of my JetNation friends The first part is what you see when you come down the stairs. Some figures, foam fingers, and some pictures. On the wall is a pic of my dad and I at both of our first game, 2008 Jets Vs Rams. 47-3 Final score Jets W. Got to see Brett Favre play his best game as a Jet. Only game without an interception, and the only thing Jets fans boo'd about was not going for a FG at the end for 50 points. This was still the largest margin of victory as well. Also pictured is me with Sam at last years training camp, a Mark Gastineau signed photo and a Joe Namath Silver Ink signed photo Next as you turn into the den a few framed jerseys and card display. The Sheldon Richardson is a signed Game Used Jersey from his rookie year when he won Defensive Rookie of the Year and a Sack Exchange jersey signed by all 4 members of the sack exchange Behind the sectional is my bobble head collection over the years from games as well as purchases Zooming out is a couple more framed Jerseys: A Game used Jeremy Kerley(from when he scored his first NFL touchdown), and a Boomer Esiason game used signed jersey. Boomer Esiason is the reason I became a Jets fan when I was younger(My dad was an Eagles fan, and I wanted my own team to root for, so I took the Jets because they were Green like the Eagles, and Boomer was the coolest name int he world to a 5 year old kid) This is my favorite piece in my collection. Around the corner is my professionally framed Joe Namath Signed jersey, a Boomer Pennant as well as a card display that has all Boomer, Darnold, and Joe Namath Autographs, Patches, or jersey cards. In front of the sectional is the jumbo 82 inch TV, and framed Wayne Cherbet and Curtis Martin signed jerseys. The Martin has the HOF inscription. And on the last wall is the rest of my collection. Some stuff on this wall: Darnold, Namath, Esiason, and Maynard signed Mini Helmets Signed team footballs from 09-19 one each year for training camp(I purchased the one from 2011 with the lockout, but aside form that all the sigs were acquired by me on the team balls) Mark Sanchez signed football that was for season ticket holders(purchased on eBay) with the new stadium on it Mark Sanchez sweatband from Training camp Santonio Holmes signed Photo Some custom McFarlane figures Mini Helmets on the top Other collectibles And then another card display of autographs or patches Some close ups of the jerseys: And another angle of the room to show off some mini pennants across the beam:
  5. 64 points
    Get it over with. No more of these inexperienced coaches. McCarthy and Darnold = 10 wins is now a bad season. Brady and Belly will soon be riding off into the sunset. Take this division.
  6. 62 points
    Just want to say thank you. Thursday was the busiest day ever on JetNation.com. Set a post count record for a single day with almost 6,000 posts. Surpassed 100,000 page views. Social distancing and JetNation = perfect together. Thanks everyone.
  7. 61 points
    Just want to say thanks to everyone who posts (and reads) the forums and blog here. Had a moment at the game last night where I just felt a real sense of pride about what has been built here. I won't bore you with numbers but the stats are incredible. All time highs pretty much across the board. None of it happens if everyone reading this doesn't visit the site as much as you do. So thank you. We are about to start another season, and there is actual hope for once. I am really proud that so many people have worked so hard to build this site. Really proud that so many of you call this place your online home for Jets talk. Now that is enough of the nice stuff. I will be yelling at you all again for cursing in 30 seconds.
  8. 57 points
    I'm getting married today. Just wanted to share that with my longtime Jet family. I love you guys. Go Jets! God bless you all.
  9. 56 points
  10. 56 points
    I don't know if there's any way to confirm this but the dude should 100% be fired if it can be confirmed.
  11. 55 points
    I just posted the last KRL camp report for the year and I want to say thanks to @KRL. His camp reports are phenomenal. His insight is tremendous, he should definitely be doing this for a living. The feedback on his reports has been 100% positive. I have never really seen anything like it. It is a testament to both his insight and his objectivity. He has no agenda and no false narratives. He simply reports on what he sees and that is very refreshing. I know people appreciate that he does this, but I don't know that everyone realizes that he takes a week off of work and drives a really far distance to cover camp. Thank you KRL. For anyone that missed them, definitely check our KRL's camp reports here: https://www.jetnation.com/category/camp-reports/
  12. 54 points
    I can't believe the number of you that seem disappointed.... it's outrageous... wtf.... Our biggest need was LT We drafted a LT JN bitched Wirfs is not a slam dunk LT... if that's your hang up
  13. 52 points
    Jets won the game in every facet of the game today. ( can’t dispute that). You’re judge on what you do 16 games, and not one game. SARS 1 I give you your props , as you were right on this game.
  14. 52 points
    It took way too long but the Jets finally broke into the win column with a last second win over DAL. And the whole reason was one player, Sam Darnold. Luke Falk is probably a nice guy but he's a practice squad player who had no business being a starting QB. There's no comparison between Darnold and Falk and anyone who didn't think there was going to be a big change in the offense was fooling themselves. Let's take a look: Special Teams - Lachlan Edwards was his consistent self and for once wasn't on the field 10+ times (4 punts, 45 yard avg) - Solid effort by Sam Ficken as he was 3 for 3 on PAT's with a clutch 38 yard FG late to give the team a 24-16 lead. He also displays excellent length on his kickoffs - Finally a pulse in the return game. Vyncint Smith showed speed but more importantly a clue on what hole to hit on kick returns (24 yard avg). And Braxton Berrios finally got out of "Jeremy Kerley mode" and returned a couple of punts (11 yard avg). Not great but its a start Defense - A bend but not break effort by the defense. Considering that DAL was missing their two top WR's and starting OT's nothing to celebrate. They were able to hold DAL to FG's, get a couple of key stops and break up the 2 point conversion. One side note, the refs were absolutely pathetic on the final drive. Some of those pass interference calls were horrible, particularly the one on Jamal Adams - The run defense wore down in the second half and Elliott broke off too many long runs. The pass defense played too soft against pedestrian WR's, with no Cooper or Cobb they needed to be more aggresive. If Trumaine Johnson can't check average WR's its time to say goodbye. When is Nate Hairston coming back? - Probably the best game Jamal Adams and Marcus Maye played in tandem since being drafted. Maye (5 tackles, 1 PD) was excellent in coverage and delivered big tackles. While Adams (9 tackles, 1 PD, 1 TFL) was all over the field in the run and pass game. And he was the key blitzer on the 2 point play which caused Prescott to rush his throw - Foley Fatukasi (4 tackles, 1 QB hit) and Kyle Phillips (7 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 QB hit) were active in their reps. Hopefully they continue to develop into rotational pieces - Jordan Jenkins had the team's only sack and three QB hits. If Joe Douglas can ever find a real edge rusher he would be a very solid secondary option. He shows a decent knack for getting after the QB Offense - Amazing how improved an OLine can look when there's a QB who knows what they're doing playing behind them. We'll get to that when we talk about Darnold, but Chuma Edoga needs special recognition. He was very shaky against PHI but he was outstanding against Demarcus Lawrence. You never heard Lawrence name all game and he ended up with no sacks and no QB hits. Tremendous growth by Edoga in one week - Robby Anderson (5 rec, 125 yds, 1 TD), Jamison Crowder (6 rec, 98 yds) and Demaryius Thomas (4 rec, 62 yds) looked like a dynamic trio. Again, amazing how effective they were with a QB who knows what they're doing - With no more mono the Sam Darnold (23/32 338 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT) from training camp appeared: * Tremendous command of the offense * Accuracy * Throwing with anticipation * Pocket presence * "Sixth sense" to feel pressure, slide away from it and deliver the ball from different angles The defense no longer stacked the box with 8-9 players. And Darnold's quick release made the OLine look better. Bad mistake on the INT he was trying to throw to Crowder because it cost the team at least 3 points. The 92 yard TD to Anderson was pretty but what was special was what took place before the throw. Darnold changed the formation by moving Crowder to the left side which left Anderson isolated 1 on 1 with the CB. Then on the snap Anderson blew by the CB with a double move. DAL defense is stacked with a number of excellent players (Lawrence, Quinn, Lee, Smith, Vander Esch and Jones) and Darnold in his first game back sliced them up. Impressive
  15. 51 points
  16. 49 points
    He was playing with a broken hand for 11 of those drops. When healthy he had less drops than Jeudy and Lamb.
  17. 47 points
    While on Good Morning Football (GMFB) Nick Mangold was asked about a variety of topics... KB: What do you think about Daniel Jones? Nick: Yeah, see I don't care about the Giants. Let's talk about the Jets.
  18. 45 points
    There’s an adult in the room in Florham Park again. The Jets executed a competent Draft that showed there was a plan and the Jets now understand the intersection of value and need. Positives 1. Trading down to build depth and add more picks for 2021. We now accumulate picks rather than give them up. Joe D paid it forward AND got his guys. 2. Addressing the biggest positional needs (OT, WR, Edge, CB) with good prospects. I think Joe found the intersection of talent/value/need at the right spots, especially the Mims pick at 59. It took balls to move down from 48 with Mims on the Board. Of the countless mock drafts I’ve done there wasn’t a single one where I could get one of the Top 4 OTs (ex. Becton) and Denzel Mims. Joe D had the confidence to make that move. He assessed the teams behind him and took a calculated risk that paid off. 3. Using Day 3 picks to check the box ✅ for unheralded positions like Backup QB and P. The Jets lost games last year partially due to depth at QB and some bad special teams (we still have a K issue). But the picks of QB Morgan and P Mann were very solid even if not sexy. 4. Just like Free Agency, Joe D seemed to pay 80 cents for every $1 of value he got. Mims at 59, Bryce Hall in Round 5....just fantastic value. Not trading up for an OT despite some panicky news reports early on Thursday about a run on OTs in the Top 10. Another sign of a guy being very aware and astute when it comes to how the Draft will flow and where he can get certain guys. 5. Having positional foresight at the FS spot to take Ashtyn Davis so that Douglas isn’t stuck with negotiating extensions for both of the Jets starting Safeties in the next 12 months. I wasn’t thrilled with this pick initially (due to opportunity cost, see below) but Davis is an elite athlete, a true Free Safety, and shows that Douglas has clearly placed his bet on what he wants to do at Safety. An extension of Jamal went from about 55% odds to about 90% during this Draft because A.) Jamal obviously wasn’t traded and B.) With 10 picks in this Draft the Jets didn’t draft a SS, instead gaining leverage over their FS Marcus Maye. 6. Picking P Braden Mann in Round 6 showed that the Jets understand ST can be a weapon. THIS WAS A GREGG WILLIAMS PICK! ....Huh? What is jetstream23 talking about? Think of it this way... In tight games, in tied games, in games with a 3 point lead, having a player that can pin the opponent’s offense deep, can stick them inside their own 10 yard line....that empowers Gregg Williams’ defense. It will let him dial up some attacking blitzes. Mann is a weapon on Special Teams. Negatives 1. Only getting 1 WR. Yes, UDFA’s are options but there was some talent on the board at multiple spots throughout the Draft to get an additional high quality WR in Rounds 3 or 4, particularly after the trade downs. With 10 total picks this is a slight disappointment. Duvernay and Bryan Edwards come to mind. Donovan Peoples-Jones, AGG were there for the taking multiple times on Day 3. 2. Valuing athleticism over production in some spots with players that have injury concerns. At the #68 spot Wisconsin OLB/Edge rusher Zack Baun was there for the taking. Whether the drug/diluted sample issue was a big deal or not vis-a-vis the earlier pick of Becton, it was very hard to pass on this guy. The Jets took FS Davis in that spot and then came back at Edge with Zuniga. So, I’m glad the Edge position was addressed in that round but we took an athletic guy with injury concerns. The 3rd round is where I differed with the Jets on the player selection. Really thought this was the round to grab Baun and do the double-dip at WR with a guy like Duvernay. 3. Waiting on CB to very late in the Draft. I like the calculated risk of Bryce Hall. He’s a 2nd/3rd round talent we got in the 5th.....this feels like a Bless Austin pick. Talented guy but could be on the shelf for awhile due to injuries. The Jets also used a 6th rounder to trade for CB Quincy W. from Indy. So CB was addressed twice in the Draft, just not before Round 5. I’m giving the Jets a B+ overall. This Draft was impressive from the standpoint of getting needed players at the spots they should have been taken (or even later like with Mims and Hall). There’s now an adult in the room. There’s competence in the front office. Joe put on a bit of a masterclass and every thing I pointed out as a negative could very easily look like a positive in 12 months if guys like Zuniga and Davis seem to be starters. My gripes (here and in other threads) about passing on guys like Baun, Willekes, Duvernay, Bryan Edwards, etc. will probably just show why guys like Joe Douglas are a GM and I’m just throwing out opinions on a message board.
  19. 45 points
    I look at this roster, I look at this coaching staff, I look at this front office, and I look at this owner and you know what, I believe that this is the year we take a bold step. Not next year. This year. Call me crazy, but I think the Patriots are there for the taking right now. And I think that for whatever reason, the Jets as a franchise responds to change better than any organization in the NFL, each time we get a new coach and a new culture it creates a spark and pushes this team beyond its limits. Experienced head coach, Darnold in Year 2, big-play offense, Bell ripping easy yardage on swing passes, Adams and Mosely killing it on D under Williams' psychotic direction, excellent special teams, and a favorable schedule. We need to get off to a strong start, 4-1 looks doable leading to a Week 7 showdown at home against the Patriots in a fired-up MetLife Stadium on the highest rated MNF broadcast in decades. Patriots take a step back, Jets take a step up, we win the Division at 11-5 on tiebreakers, hats and t-shirts for everyone. SAR I
  20. 45 points
    So much misplaced anger I'm seeing.. "Joe Douglas needs to pay" "Sam is soft" "This is all Khalil's fault" Lol, what nonsense... Guess what - this is what selecting 14 Dlinemen in the last 8 drafts gets you. This is what passing on Centers and Tackles for 3rd round OLBs gets you. This is what paying Quincy to be your starting Z looks like... this is what happens when you don't draft a WR in the 1st since 2001... the list goes on and on and on... Mercs and band aides. Lets recap Our in-house Oline consists of an overpaid RG and JAG RT. our 2 RBs are paid FAs (got to be a first in NFL history) our WR was invisible today, except for the hired help held to catch 5 yard dunks. Despite spending a country's net gross in draft capital on defensive front seven prospect, the only guy who showed up was FA. Our TEs are ballin' Meanwhile: Week 1 Rookies Hollywood Brown and DK Metcalf are already better than any Jets WRs... but who needs to draft skill players when you can just over pay for FAs You don't draft well, you don't win... End of story.
  21. 45 points
    I was musing today about this multi-month event, and I suddenly had some POSITIVE thoughts about it all, Dog have mercy on me ... First, I suspect disgust with this pick within the Jets building - from Gase and others - was palpable to Chris Johnson right after the draft (if not during it.) If he didn't already have reasons to investigate what was up within the organization, or come the the conclusion that Mac and his allies were clueless, this reach and the lack of due diligence it displayed might have either been what broke the camel's back - or lead Chris to the camel. Second, the meritocracy is hopefully here. Cutting Polite (and Gase's immediate jettison of Lee) showed all the staff and players that spots were earned, not granted. Also, I have not read any reports about players feeling like they didn't get a fair shot, or stating that a cut teammate didn't get a fair shot. Working in a place where fairness is a value helps everyone. Lastly: note that although Polite's poor behavior must have started pretty early on, there was not a PEEP from coaches or players to the press or anyone else about any details, all during training camp. THIS IS GOOD, and IMHO, important. I think it demonstrates a big change in mentality, to one where the players, front office and the coaches have a unified purpose and goal, where it was clear to all that leaks to people outside the organization are NOT cool, and that internal issue are just that - in house. It's tough enough just to field a team and compete - but if you don't have factions in the locker room, the office suite and the executive boxes, THAT is a significant plus.
  22. 44 points
    As soon as I'm done googling him, I will return with a strong opinion of this. Please wait.
  23. 44 points
    He has forgotten my birthday for 2 years in a row. I'm done with that discriminating little bitch.
  24. 44 points
    The gentleman better be fuming at himself and no one else. This debacle is 100% his fault.
  25. 43 points
    The league needs to exempt QB contracts from counting against the cap because it incapacitates teams forced to pay still-developing QBs top dollar. Or, they need to crack down on the Pats paying Brady under the table. One or the other.
  26. 42 points
    Sorry, I was busy for the last two minutes.
  27. 42 points
    These are the types of guys that Gregg Williams has to work with. Good, hardworking players....but nobody on the planet thinks they should be starters in the NFL. They're starting for the Jets these days. Doesn't matter. We have a wizard at work, a leader of men, a guy who is putting schemes and plans together that are winning games and holding John Gruden, Derek Carr and the 6-4 Raiders to 3 points. Let's hear it for Gregg Williams!
  28. 41 points
    I've been hesitant to give my heart away again... but Joe's draft tells me I don't need to hide my Douglas pin ups any more. LT with jupiter upside, check WR I've been crushing on for a year, check CB I've been crushing on for a year, check RB i said was the best bang for your buck, check Finally a true FS... check If he can worm away a couple decent UDFA like Justin Hill, or if someone like Hodges/KJ Hill fall out altogether.... well, then I might sleep a proper 8 hours for the first time in 10 years.
  29. 41 points
    Was it for stealing $53M in guaranteed money from the Jets in that second contract?
  30. 41 points
    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
  31. 41 points
    We all like reading what @T0mShane writes because he is a good storyteller. His stories (I mean posts) are fascinating at times, his talent is impossible to deny. He takes us on this journey by painting a picture which his impressive football knowledge. The picture that he paints isn't always accurate. His current story involves Jamal Adams. If you read the board I don't think I have to recap his thoughts on Adams. Basically he says Adams is over rated, doesn't make impact plays and his position is of minimal importance in the NFL today. Tom is relentless, even after Jamal Adams had a game saving play against the Cowboys, the story remains the same. It doesn't meant the story is true though, it just means that Tom posts it a lot. Which reminds me of the first day I met Tom. Yes, I met him in real life and I survived to tell the story. Back then, a much younger Tom was often very critical of another Jets great, Kevin Mawae. Kevin would read Tom's posts (this is in the pre-Twtitter days) and the impression I got is that he didn't seem happy. Not sure how you could be critical of Kevin Mawae, he came here as a free agent and played at a pro bowl level year after year. Now he is a hall of famer. Yet hall of fame talent apparently isn't good enough for Tom. I had the pleasure of meeting Kevin Mawae at a draft party one year. Kevin knew posters by their screen names. He said to me, "oh you are Maxman, I like your posts". Then he said, "Is Tom Shane here? I would like to talk to him". I told Kevin that Tom was indeed at ESPN Zone that day and I would go downstairs and personally walk him back up. Kevin offered the VIP treatment, when Tom gets here he doesn't have to wait on any lines. Just let me know and I will greet him personally. How awesome is that, a future hall of famer asks for a meet and greet with you personally. Tom was going to be so excited. A chance for him to help Mawae get better. Tom seems to have all the answers, not sure what part of Mawae's game needed work, but here is the opportunity for Tom to fix it. Funny thing happened after that. Tom said, "I am not going up there to meet him". I assure Tom that there was security and he would be safe. Tom wouldn't go, instead he hid. It was the 2nd time that day he hid actually. (Insert Steelers fan telling Tom off and Tom doing nothing about it story here). So I thought of this today and just wanted to share. Jamal Adams is an impact player, don't let Tom fool you.
  32. 40 points
    I can't rehash it all out here but I've been pretty consistent and posted a ton of tape and interviews. We'll have the best LT in the league within 3 years.
  33. 40 points
  34. 40 points
    wasn't excited when we got him... may hate him by week 3 of next season... but god damn it was good listening to reporters get treated like the tossing sh*t at the wall idiots they are. I expect a lot of pissy reporting about the jets moving forward by bitter beat writers...and i am ok with that.
  35. 40 points
  36. 40 points
  37. 39 points
    PSA:. This has been discussed a million times. I'll save you the reading. Some people are going to be optimistic on Darnold. Some are going to be pessimistic. Both will say they are the ones being objective. Some will point to Darnolds weapons. Some will say it doesn't matter. Patrick Mahomes and Watson will get into the discussion, as will Jamal Adams somehow. You are now up to speed
  38. 39 points
    The site turns 15 years old today and I want to say thank you. These forums are so much fun, they keep growing thanks to your passion. To everyone that reads the forums and the site, and everyone who posts in the forums: THANK YOU SO MUCH. We put some stats in the video below, it is a bit of a flash back. A walk down memory lane and it has been an incredible ride so far. The results on the field haven't been what anyone hoped for but this fan base never gives up. The site is a reflect of that, the passion of Jets fans is stronger than ever. The numbers are staggering, over 100 million page views, closing in on 20 million site visits, WOW. I know I left people out of the thank you video, there are too many people who have helped build this site to name everyone individually. Just know that I appreciate all the hard work, all the effort that so many have put into this. You are what makes this site great. Check out the short video and let me know what you think.
  39. 39 points
    I posted this in the Game Observation thread but since his numbers are so stark I figured I'd put them in a new thread: When the season is over everything reboots. But certain things Darnold has done will carry over because he's your QB: - After the MIA game he talked about winning out and making a run. They've gone 5-2. If as a 22 year old he can rally the team after an awful start, that's huge - In the second half Darnold's stats are 140/231 (61%), 1748 yards, 12 TD, 3 INT - And the improvement in facing elite defenses has been drastic: * NE: 11/32 (34%), 86 yards, 0 TD, 4 INT * BAL & PIT: 34/58 (59%), 401 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
  40. 39 points
    Robbie and LeVeon Bell handle this like men. Jamal, meanwhile.
  41. 38 points
    So that should just about put to rest any debate of him being any sort of team leader. He's shown his true colors, which are as a headache-causing diva, despite playing at one of the least impactful positions in all of pro football. Not a good combo.
  42. 38 points
    With the other thread becoming a disucssion of UDFA throughout the league, some had suggested a separate thread for the Jets. I will try to keep list of our signings updated on this post over the next couple of days. Sterling Johnson DT Coastal Carolina. Lamar Jackson, CB, Nebraska Javelin Guidry, CB, Utah Dominique Davis, DL, UNC Pembroke Bryce Huff, Edge, Memphis Lawrence Cager, WR, Georgia Jared Hilbers, OT, Washington George Campbell, WR, West Virginia Alabama DB Shyheim Carter
  43. 38 points
    A great many fans on this forum envy you.
  44. 38 points
    And our OL fired back at the PFF dude.
  45. 38 points
  46. 38 points
    This is how Gase got a head coach opportunity in the first place - sit back and let the QB tell you how to run the offense.
  47. 38 points
    General Notes - Players in full pads and uniforms - Practice ran 2 hours and 15 minutes - First "fight" of camp as Kelvin Beachum and Tarell Basham (???) got into it during 1 on 1 drills on the far field - Nice bounce back by the team as the penalties disappeared after a sloppy practice the previous day - In my opinion another even practice as neither the offense or defense "won" the day Coach Corner - During 11 on 11 periods the following situations were emphasized: * The offense had a 1st & 10 from their own 22 yard line * End of half two minute offense * The offense with a 1st & 10 from their own 1 yard line * An end of game situation where the offense was down 17-23 with 1:18 on the clock. Ball on their own 41 yard line Player Notes - Focused on Jachai Polite to see what's been going on with him. To me he seems to be "thinking" through his assignments instead of just playing. In 1 on 1 drills you see his pass rushing skills now he has to mix it with his other responsibiities. After saying all that he probably had his best day as he had two "sacks" during his reps - Quinnen Williams continues to display his skills as he had another good practice. On a WR screen to Deontay Burnett he showed his range as he got outside the numbers to make the tackle. In addition he had another two TFL's and a "sack" - Nice coverage skills displayed by CJ Mosley as he stayed with Jamison Crowder and forced an incompletion during the end of game situation mentioned earlier - Blake Cashman played with the #1's as the coverage LB during the end of game situation - A couple of back end roster guys deserve a mention: * Tim White (WR) had a couple of nice catches * Tevaughn Campbell (CB) with good coverage and a couple of PBU's * Neville Hewitt (LB) with a couple of TFL's QB Notes - Another good day for Sam Darnold as he spread the ball around to the normal culprits (Jamison Crowder, Quincy Enunwa, Robby Anderson and Chris Herndon). And continued to grow in his command of the offense, two examples: * During the period where the offense was backed up at the 1 yard line. Darnold used a fake snap to get the defense to show they were coming with a blitz. He then changed the call to a draw play to LeVeon Bell for a 20+ yard gain * During the end of game situation Darnold had a couple of "thread the needle" throws to Anderson (20+ yards) and Crowder (10+ yards). And then after a drop by Herndon, Darnold "won" the game by hitting Enunwa (20+ yards) on a crossing pattern as Trumaine Johnson slipped Standouts - Sam Darnold (one INT in the seven practices I've seen) - Quinnen Williams - Reducing the penalties Concerns - Can the team translate these practices into real games
  48. 37 points
    What is Gase supposed to do, get involved and screw up JDs negotiations with a player? Really? Excuses and mindless misinformation from Deep thinking Antonio Cromartie. Shocking.
  49. 37 points
    Minus the NE aberration 1,829 yards, 260/gm 101 passer rating 15TDs (2 rushing) 6 INTs with objectively the worst OL in football without a #1 receiver while battling mono this kid is special
  50. 37 points
    That’s too bad. Good guy who worked hard. You bros crying misplaced crocodile tears over the Demaryius Thomas trade can get in line to eat the D.


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