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  1. How the fck is Milliner a burger flipper?! Bullsht.

     

    http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap2000000346036/best-worst-picks-for-first-32-draft-slots-over-last-10-years

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      No. 32 pick: Logan Mankins, Derek Sherrod

      ROCK STAR: Logan Mankins, G, New England Patriots (2005)
      One of the premiere guards in the league, Mankins has been the Patriots' most stable lineman. He's started 130 games in nine seasons and is a six-time Pro Bowler and five-time All-Pro.

      Honorable mention: Mathias Kiwanuka (2006), Benjamin Watson (2004)

      BURGER-FLIPPER: Derek Sherrod, OT, Green Bay Packers (2011)
      Drafted to protect Aaron Rodgers, Sherrod has played in only 12 games in two years (zero starts) and missed all of 2012 with an injury.

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      No. 31 pick: Greg Olsen, Rashaun Woods

      ROCK STAR: Greg Olsen, TE, Chicago Bears (2007)
      Olsen is as sure-handed as you'll find at the tight end position and has been a big target for Jay Cutler and Cam Newton. He's averaged 55 catches and five touchdowns in his seven seasons.

      Honorable mention: Doug Martin (2012), Mike Patterson (2005)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Rashaun Woods, WR, San Francisco 49ers (2004)
      Woods played in 14 games his rookie season, garnering only seven receptions for 160 yards and a touchdown. He was never heard from again.

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      No. 30 pick: Heath Miller, A.J. Jenkins

      ROCK STAR: Heath Miller, TE, Pittsburgh Steelers (2005)
      A two-time Pro Bowl player, Miller has been Ben Roethlisberger's safety valve for years. He's averaged more than 50 catches and four touchdowns in his nine seasons.

      Honorable mention: Muhammed Wilkerson (2011), Joseph Addai (2006)

      BURGER FLIPPER: A.J. Jenkins, WR, San Francisco 49ers (2012)
      Jenkins has eight career receptions in 19 games. Below pedestrian.

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      No. 29 pick: Nick Mangold, Kentwan Balmer

      ROCK STAR: Nick Mangold, C, New York Jets (2006)
      No center in the last decade has been as durable and dependable as Mangold. He's started all 126 games in his eight seasons and is a five-time Pro Bowler and two-time All Pro.

      Honorable mention: Hakeem Nicks (2009), Ben Grubbs (2007)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Kentwan Balmer, DT, San Francisco 49ers (2008)
      Balmer failed to record a sack and only started 11 games in five seasons.

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      No. 28 pick: Joe Staley, Lawrence Jackson

      ROCK STAR: Joe Staley, OT, San Francisco 49ers (2007)
      Staley has started all 98 games he has played in during his seven-year career, including every game the last three seasons. A three-time Pro Bowler, he's the protector of Colin Kaepernick's blind side.

      Honorable mention: Chris Gamble (2004), Marcedes Lewis (2006)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Lawrence Jackson, DE, Seattle Seahawks (2008)
      An inconsistent starter in Seattle, Jackson was a solid sub for three seasons with the Lions before flaming out with 19 career sacks.

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      No. 27 pick: Roddy White, Jimmy Smith

      ROCK STAR: Roddy White, WR, Atlanta Falcons (2005)
      White has been a stellar NFL receiver. A five-time Pro Bowler and an All-Pro, he had a streak of six consecutive 1,000-yard seasons and even led the league in receptions (115) in 2010.

      Honorable mention: Jason Babin (2004), DeAngelo Williams (2006)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Jimmy Smith, CB, Baltimore Ravens (2011)
      It took Smith three seasons to become a starter in Baltimore but you want a first-round corner to have more than four interceptions in three years.

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      No. 26 pick: Clay Matthews, John McCargo

      ROCK STAR: Clay Matthews, LB, Green Bay Packers (2009)
      Matthews has missed a handful of games in recent years but otherwise he's been one of the most feared and consistent pass rushers in the NFL. A four-time Pro Bowler and an All-Pro, Matthews has 50 career sacks in five seasons with Green Bay.

      Honorable mention: Anthony Spencer (2007), Duane Brown (2008)

      BURGER FLIPPER: John McCargo, DT, Buffalo Bills (2006)
      McCargo has just one career start in six seasons and only a couple of sacks. That's rough for a first-round pick, regardless of an injury-riddled career.

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      No. 25 pick: Jon Beason, Ahmad Carroll

      ROCK STAR: Jon Beason, LB, Carolina Panthers (2007)
      Beason was a monster his first four seasons in the league with Carolina. He started all 64 games, averaged more than 100 tackles per season, made three Pro Bowls and was named to the All-Pro team once. Injuries have cost him some of his productivity of late but he's still a respectable player for the Giants.

      Honorable mention: Santonio Holmes (2006), Mike Jenkins (2008)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Ahmad Carroll, CB, Green Bay Packers (2004)
      Carroll played well his first two years in the league, but ultimately has started just 28 games in five seasons with three career interceptions.

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      No. 24 pick: Aaron Rodgers, Peria Jerry

      ROCK STAR: Aaron Rodgers, QB, Green Bay Packers (2005)
      Rodgers' credentials speak for themselves: Super Bowl winner, league MVP, three-time Pro Bowler, All-Pro, 58 wins in six years as a starter, commercial pitchman.

      Honorable mention: Steven Jackson (2004), Dez Bryant (2010)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Peria Jerry, DT, Atlanta Falcons (2009)
      Jerry started just 15 games in four seasons and registered two sacks before bouncing back in 2013 with 14 starts and 3.5 sacks.

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      No. 23 pick: Dwayne Bowe, Danny Watkins

      ROCK STAR: Dwayne Bowe, WR, Kansas City Chiefs (2007)
      Despite never playing with a top-level quarterback, Bowe has put up solid numbers in his seven seasons and at times has shown he's capable of being a premiere receiver.

      Honorable mention: Davin Joseph (2006), Michael Oher (2009)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Danny Watkins, G, Philadelphia Eagles (2011)
      The former Canadian firefighter started 12 games his rookie season but has only started six in the last two.

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      No. 22 pick: Demaryius Thomas, Brady Quinn

      ROCK STAR: Demaryius Thomas, WR, Denver Broncos (2010)
      Thomas exploded onto the scene as an elite pass-catcher when Peyton Manning arrived in Denver. Two 90--plus-catch, 1,400-plus-yard seasons later, No. 88 is a two-time Pro Bowler and a feared NFL receiver who's only getting better.
      Honorable mention: Percy Harvin (2009), Manny Lawson (2006)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Brady Quinn, QB, Cleveland Browns (2007)
      Quinn is just 4-16 in his career as a starter and has better biceps than deep ball.

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      No. 21 pick: Vince Wilfork, Matt Jones

      ROCK STAR: Vince Wilfork, DT, New England Patriots (2004)
      The Heavy Chevy is what you call a run-stopper, and has been among the best in the league at doing so during his 10-year career. A five-time Pro Bowler and once an All-Pro, Wilfork's value was seen last season when New England's run defense was non-existent after his year-ending injury.

      Honorable mention: Alex Mack (2009), Reggie Nelson (2007)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Matt Jones, WR, Jacksonville Jaguars (2005)
      High hopes heading into the league after playing quarterback in college, Jones started just 15 games in his four years and couldn't escape substance-abuse problems.

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      No. 20 pick: Tamba Hali, Kenechi Udeze

      ROCK STAR: Tamba Hali, DE, Kansas City Chiefs (2006)
      A three-time Pro Bowler, Hali has missed only three games in eight seasons. Durable, reliable, and fearless, he's sacked NFL quarterbacks 46.5 times in the last four years and is one of the game's premier pass rushers.

      Honorable mention: Aqib Talib (2008), Kendall Wright (2012)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Kenechi Udeze, DE, Minnesota Vikings (2004)
      Udeze had just 11 sacks in four seasons before his career was cut short by leukemia, .

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      No. 19 pick: Antonio Cromartie, Jeff Otah

      ROCK STAR: Antonio Cromartie, CB, San Diego Chargers (2006)
      Cromartie has been a very good NFL corner, being named a Pro Bowler three times and once an All-Pro. His 28 career interceptions place him 10th on the active list.

      Honorable mention: Michael Griffin (2007), Jeremy Maclin (2009)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Jeff Otah, OT, Carolina Panthers (2008)
      After a successful rookie season in which he started 12 games, Otah caught the injury bug and started just 17 more in his short career. He missed all of 2010 due to injury.

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      No. 18 pick: Joe Flacco, Erasmus James

      ROCK STAR: Joe Flacco, QB, Baltimore Ravens (2008)
      When you tell your owner, "Nah, I'm good" on signing a contract extension, then you go out and win the Super Bowl and sign a fresh $100 million deal, you're a Rock Star. It also helps to be 28 games over .500 for your career as a starter and 9-4 in the playoffs.

      Honorable mention: Will Smith (2004), Leon Hall (2007)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Erasmus James, DE, Minnesota Vikings (2005)
      James played just one full season (his first) and had five sacks in four seasons. His career was cut short by injury and an indefinite suspension by the league.

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      No. 17 pick: Josh Freeman, David Pollack

      ROCK STAR: Josh Freeman, QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2009)
      Before the wheels inexplicably fell off in 2013, Freeman was a big-time NFL quarterback with a 10-win and 4,000-yard season under his belt. He looked on his way to becoming one of the bright young stars in the league. We'll see if he can regain that shine.

      Honorable mention: Chad Greenway (2006), Mike Iupati (2010)

      BURGER FLIPPER: David Pollack, LB, Cincinnati Bengals (2005)
      Pollack started just 6 of 16 games over two seasons and recorded 4.5 sacks before a neck injury cut short his career.

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      No. 16 pick: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Justin Harrell

      ROCK STAR: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Arizona Cardinals (2008)
      DRC made the Pro Bowl as a rookie after a six-interception rookie season with the Cardinals, and has been steady throughout his six NFL years. His 19 career picks and more than 100 pass breakups make him still one of the league's top corners.

      Honorable mention: Ryan Kerrigan (2011), Shawn Andrews (2004)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Justin Harrell, DT, Green Bay Packers (2007)
      Harrell could never stay on the field for the Packers. He played in just 14 games in three seasons and missed all of 2009 with an injury.

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      No. 15 pick: Derrick Johnson, Tye Hill

      ROCK STAR: Derrick Johnson, LB, Kansas City Chiefs (2005)
      Johnson has been as steady as they come in nine seasons with the Chiefs. A three-time Pro Bowler and once an All-Pro, he has 376 tackles in the last three years for a strong Kansas City defense.

      Honorable mention: Branden Albert (2008), Brian Cushing (2009)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Tye Hill, CB, St. Louis Rams (2006)
      Hill played only one full season (his first) in five years in the league and registered five career interceptions.

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      No. 14 pick: Darrelle Revis, Chris Williams

      ROCK STAR: Darrelle Revis, CB, New York Jets (2007)
      Fourteen is the draft slot for top defensive talent. Revis, a five-time Pro Bowler and three-time All-Pro, is widely considered the best cornerback of his generation, and renders half the field unusable whenever he's healthy. His 21 career interceptions seem low, but when no one throws your way out of fear, it's hard to pick anything off.

      Honorable mention: Earl Thomas (2010), Robert Quinn (2011)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Chris Williams, OT, Chicago Bears (2008)
      Inconsistent in his seven-year career, Williams has only been able to log three full seasons.

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      No. 13 pick: Brian Orakpo, Brandon Graham

      ROCK STAR: Brian Orakpo, LB, Washington Redskins (2009)
      A three-time Pro Bowl player, Orakpo missed nearly all of 2012 and bounced back with 10 sacks last season to push his career total to 39.5. A feared edge rusher, he's among the game's best when at full strength.

      Honorable mention: Jammal Brown (2005), Sheldon Richardson (2013)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Brandon Graham, LB, Philadelphia Eagles (2010)
      Philadelphia traded up to get the Michigan standout and it hasn't exactly paid dividends. Graham has started just 12 games in four seasons and has registered 11.5 sacks.

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      No. 12 pick: Haloti Ngata, Christian Ponder

      ROCK STAR: Haloti Ngata, DT, Baltimore Ravens (2006)
      Ngata has been the best defensive tackle in the game for several years now. Incredibly consistent and durable, he's missed just five games in eight seasons, not to mention he's a five-time Pro Bowler and two-time All-Pro pick.

      Honorable mention: Marshawn Lynch (2007), Ryan Clady (2008)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Christain Ponder, QB, Minnesota Vikings (2011)
      Another quarterback bust from 2011, Ponder had moments of competence but hasn't lived up to his first-round draft selection. He does have more touchdowns (38) than interceptions (34), which is more than some can say.

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      No. 11 pick: Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Maybin

      ROCK STAR: Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Pittsburgh Steelers (2004) 
      This is far and away the most loaded of the first-round draft slots with four potential Hall of Famers taken here in the last decade. But when you play in a quarterback-driven league, and you're a quarterback who's won two Super Bowls (and played in another), you're the Rock Star of this group.

      Honorable mention: DeMarcus Ware (2005), Patrick Willis (2007), J.J. Watt (2011)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Aaron Maybin, DE, Buffalo Bills (2009) 
      Heralded as the next Bruce Smith when drafted, Maybin finished with six career sacks in four seasons. They all came in 2011.

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      No. 10 pick: Jerod Mayo, Blaine Gabbert

      ROCK STAR: Jerod Mayo, LB, New England Patriots (2008)
      A two-time Pro Bowl player and once All-Pro selection, Mayo is the unquestioned leader of a consistently stout Patriots defense. His presence was clearly missed after going down in Week 6 of 2013 and missing the rest of the season.

      Honorable mention: Michael Crabtree (2009), Dunta Robinson (2004)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Blaine Gabbert, QB, Jacksonville Jaguars (2011)
      Can you believe that before the 2011 draft there was talk of Gabbert going first overall? This was a real discussion. Gabbert is 5-22 as a starter with just a 53.3 completion percentage. Great hair, though.

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      No. 9 pick: Luke Kuechly, Dee Milliner

      ROCK STAR: Luke Kuechly, LB, Carolina Panthers (2012) 
      Only two years into the league, Kuechly is a bona fide rock star at the linebacker position. He has 200 tackles in two seasons, and was Defensive Rookie of the Year and then Defensive Player of the Year.

      Honorable mention: Carlos Rogers (2005), B.J. Raji (2009)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets (2013)
      It might be early to declare Milliner a bust, but when you're labeled as the next island inhabitant, anything less is falling coconuts.

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      No. 8 pick: DeAngelo Hall, Derrick Harvey

      ROCK STAR: DeAngelo Hall, CB, Atlanta Falcons (2004)
      Say what you will about Hall, and plenty have, he's produced in all three of his NFL stops. His 43 career interceptions rank fifth among active players.

      Honorable mention: Antrel Rolle (2005), Eugene Monroe (2009)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Derrick Harvey, DE, Jacksonville Jaguars (2008)
      Harvey played just three full seasons, garnering eight sacks. He never lived up to the lofty expectations which surrounded him on draft day.

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      No. 7 pick: Adrian Peterson, Troy Williamson

      ROCK STAR: ADRIAN PETERSON, RB, Minnesota Vikings (2007)
      The most violent runner since Jim Brown, AD finished 8 yards shy in 2012 of breaking the all-time single-season rushing record. Not to mention him topping 1,250 yards rushing in six of his seven seasons, to go along with three All-Pro selections.

      Honorable mention: Joe Haden (2010), Aldon Smith (2011)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Troy Williamson, WR, Minnesota Vikings (2005)
      Williamson played just one full year in five NFL seasons, registering only 37 catches in it. He finished with four career touchdowns.

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      No. 6 pick: Vernon Davis, Vernon Gholston

      ROCK STAR: Vernon Davis, TE, San Francisco 49ers (2006) 
      Davis entered the league with the body of an Adonis, and the hype to match, and he's done nothing but live up to the immense expectations. Feared, explosive, Davis is a two-time Pro Bowler and scored 13 touchdowns two separate times in his eight-year career.

      Honorable mention: Julio Jones (2011), Kellen Winslow II (2004)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Vernon Gholston, DE, New York Jets (2008)
      One of the biggest defensive busts overall of the last decade, Gholston registered zero career sacks during his three seasons with the Jets.

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      No. 5 pick: Patrick Peterson, Glenn Dorsey

      ROCK STAR: Patrick Peterson, CB, Arizona Cardinals (2011)
      In just three short seasons Peterson is already one of the most explosive and dynamic defensive players in football. Throw in his return-game versatility (he even played a little offense in 2013) and it's easy to see why he's in this position. Cam Newton went first overall in 2011, but an argument could be made for Peterson as the best player in that draft.

      Honorable mention: Eric Berry (2010), Sean Taylor (2004)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Glenn Dorsey, DT, Kansas City Chiefs (2008)
      Remember the hype on Dorsey coming into the 2008 draft? Much more was expected than six sacks in 78 career starts.

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      No. 4 pick: Philip Rivers, Aaron Curry

      ROCK STAR: Philip Rivers, QB, San Diego Chargers (2004)
      Mr. Bolo Tie has been one of the grittiest quarterbacks in the league during his tenure, earning five Pro Bowl selections, having 79 wins as a starter, and throwing 221 touchdown passes. Tough, hard-nosed and always willing to do whatever it takes for his team, Rivers is the undeniable face of the Chargers.

      Honorable mention: D'Brickashaw Ferguson (2006), A.J. Green (2011)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Aaron Curry, LB, Seattle Seahawks (2009)
      Curry registered just 5.5 sacks in his first two seasons and zero in his third. He was out of the league by 2012.

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      Pick No. 3: Larry Fitzgerald, Tyson Jackson

      ROCK STAR: Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Arizona Cardinals (2004)
      Eight Pro Bowls and six seasons of 1,000-plus receiving yards despite playing with JV quarterbacks most of his career. His 64-yard touchdown in Super Bowl XLVIII should have won the game if not for a crazy Steelers comeback, too.

      Honorable mention: Matt Ryan (2008), Joe Thomas (2007)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Tyson Jackson, DE, Kansas City Chiefs (2009)
      Pass rushers are key but with only nine career sacks in five seasons, despite 55 starts, isn't going to cut it. Plus, it's a tad too early to announce Marcel Dareus, Dion Jordan or even Trent Richardson -- all No. 3 picks -- as busts.

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      No. 2 pick: Calvin Johnson, Jason Smith

      ROCK STAR: Calvin Johnson, WR, Detroit Lions (2007)
      If you need to know why Megatron is the best second pick of the last decade, put on the tape of the 2013 Cowboys game in which he had 14 catches for 329 yards and a touchdown. Throw in four Pro Bowls and three All-Pro selections and he's headed for a Hall of Fame career.

      Honorable mention: Ndamukong Suh (2010), Von Miller (2011)

      BURGER FLIPPER: Jason Smith, T, St. Louis Rams (2009)
      Linemen selected with the second overall pick should start more than 26 games in four seasons. Even Robert Gallery made it eight years and started 103 games in that span.

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      Pick No. 1: Andrew Luck, JaMarcus Russell

      ROCK STAR: Andrew Luck, QB, Indianapolis Colts (2012)
      When you're 22-10 in two years with a nearly 2:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio, with 600-plus rushing yards and nine touchdowns, yeah, you're a rock star.

      Honorable Mention: Eli Manning (2004), Cam Newton (2011) 

      BURGER FLIPPER: JaMarcus Russell, QB Oakland Raiders (2007)
      Sure, he's the most infamous of the recent top picks, but Russell was downright bad. Seven wins, 52 percent completion percentage and only 18 touchdowns in three seasons, and he weighed more than his left tackle.

     

  2. Not sure if he is "way better" than Geno, but I do think he is better.  Time will tell.  

     

     

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/10855930/lesean-mccoy-says-michael-vick-new-york-jets-way-better-geno-smith

     

    The New York Jets may not have identified their starting quarterback, but as far as LeSean McCoy is concerned, Michael Vick is an easy choice over Geno Smith.

    McCoy, speaking Monday at a Philadelphia Eagles charity event, told the New York Post that Vick is "way better" than Smith and should be the Jets' starter in 2014.

     

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    Geoff Burke/USA TODAY SportsLeSean McCoy, who was Michael Vick's teammate in Philadelphia for five years, said the veteran quarterback should start for the Jets over Geno Smith.

     

    "Vick is going to be the starting quarterback this year," McCoy told the Post. "He's way better than Geno Smith. Way better. That's no contest."

    Coach Rex Ryan has said the team signed Vick to push Smith, a diplomatic way of saying the Jets are not completely sold on the second-year player.

    Smith said last week during the Jets' offseason program that he is confident he'll remain the starter.

    Vick, however, has four years of background in offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg's offense thanks to their time together with the Eagles, which could give him an edge in the competition.

    But the 33-year-old Vick appeared in just seven games last season and has been plagued by injuries since returning to the NFL in 2009. McCoy acknowledged that his former teammate will have to stay healthy to maintain an edge over Smith.

    "[Vick's health is] the big question, and that's the only thing," McCoy told the Post. "The thing here was, he didn't lose his job. He just got hurt and lost his job to injury. But as far as who's the better quarterback, he's way better than Geno Smith. That's obvious."

     


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    Vick is going to be the [Jets'] starting quarterback this year. He's way better than Geno Smith. Way better. That's no contest.

    -- LeSean McCoy, to the New York Post

     

    McCoy told the paper that Vick would be a positive influence for the Jets, citing the veteran quarterback's leadership during last year's controversy after Eagles receiver Riley Cooperwas caught on video using a racial slur.

    "He'll definitely be a leader in the locker room," McCoy said. "Who smoothed over a lot of that Riley Cooper incident? Mike Vick -- a great player who's been through some negative moments and is now positive about it. He's a great [veteran], and he'll help the team out in that way."

    Smith started every game last season, helping the Jets to a surprising 8-8 record, but he was wildly inconsistent over the first 12 games.

    The Jets cut Mark Sanchez (who later signed with Philadelphia) in late March and promptly signed Vick to a one-year, $4 million contract. Vick has referred to Smith as the starter, but the coaching staff hasn't made any pronouncements.

    "I respect what Mike said, but I understand there's a competition," Smith said last week. "It comes down to what we do on the field."

    ESPN.com Jets reporter Rich Cimini contributed to this report.

  3. if the choice is Cooks or Fuller, I go Fuller and then get a WR in round 2. The drop off between CBs is more drastic than the dropoff in WRs. Either way if its a choice between Cooks and Fuller, we are in great shape.

     

    LL

    I agree, there are more options still at WR after Watkins, Evans, and Beckham are gone than there is at CB once Dennard, Gilbert, and Fuller are gone.  I am sure that one of the before mentioned CB's will still be there at 18. 

  4. great list but Ebron strikes me as one of the most overrated players in this draft class. He's got a troubling drop rate.

    Yea i was a big advocate of him earlier on.  Probably more bc of his highlight videos on youtube lol but Ive heard a lot of neg press with his diva attitude and like u say, the high drop rate.  I still think if he is there the Jets may go for him.....but hopefully they wouldnt pick him over a Dennard or Gilbert.  Clearly CB is a bigger need than TE.

  5. The Jets should pick in this order for the 1st round.   

     

    1.Dennard

     

    2.Gilbert

     

    3.Fuller

     

    4.Beckham

     

    5.Cooks 

     

    Ebron being there still at 18 throws a wrench into this though.

  6. I wanted Keenan Allen so friggen bad  ....and him and Kenny Stills are perfect examples why I would go for CB in round 1 and go WR in round 2 or 3. Unless Mike Evans magically falls to 18.

    And not sure what this kid talking about with Eric Reid over Milliner.  I'm still taking Milliner at #9 bc for one, I feel he will live up to all potential, and for two, our gaping need was a CB last year not a safety.

     

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2044030-re-drafting-the-new-york-jets-2013-draft

     

     

    Re-Drafting the New York Jets' 2013 Draft

    By Aidan Mackie, Featured Columnist

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    The jury is still out on the New York Jets' 2013 draft class, and rightly so.

    The Jets found gold with some of their selections, but they also swung and miss on others. 

    First-round pick Sheldon Richardson won the Defensive Rookie of the Year and was dominant throughout the season. 

    Third-round selection Brian Winters, on the other hand, struggled in the starting role. 

    Just ahead of the 2014 draft, let's re-visit last year's draft and see what would be the perfect class for John Idzik and Co.

     

    *You may see a complete lack of offensive linemen and cornerbacks. This isn't because I don't think these positions are needs for the Jets, but rather the positional classes didn't provide great value where New York was picking.

     

    Round 1, Pick 9: Eric Reid
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    Dee Milliner began to come around late in his rookie season, and the Jets are in desperate need for starting-caliber cornerbacks, but Milliner is too big of a question mark to take with the ninth overall selection in this re-draft.

    Eric Reid, on the other hand, is far from a question mark.

    Reid made the Pro Bowl in his first year in the league. He emerged as a force on the back end of the San Francisco 49ers' defense, recording 77 tackles, 11 pass deflections, four interceptions and two fumble recoveries.

    The LSU product is a playmaker in coverage and a superb tackler, and he would immediately quell New York's concerns at safety.

    Yes, the ninth pick is extremely early to take a safety.

    However, Reid's ability and upside, paired with New York's need for a playmaking defensive back, make this an ideal first selection.

    Round 1, Pick 13: Sheldon Richardson
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    John Idzik and Co. made one of the best decisions in recent Jets history by taking Missouri defensive lineman Sheldon Richardson. 

    Richardson was arguably the best player of this draft class in his first year, capturing the DPOY and emerging as an integral part of New York's elite run defense. 

    Richardson recorded an incredible 78 tackles on the defensive line, along with 3.5 sacks and a forced fumble. 

    Along with Muhammad Wilkerson, the 23-year-old will lead one of the league's best defensive fronts for years to come. 

    You can't get much better than Richardson at the 13th overall pick.

    Round 2, Pick 39: Geno Smith
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    This was one of the hardest spots to fill, simply because it's hard to predict Geno Smith's future. 

    Yes, Smith struggled mightily throughout his rookie year. He threw 21 interceptions to just 12 touchdowns, while fumbling four times and completing under 56 percent of his passes. 

    However, Smith's troubles are far from all his fault. 

    The West Virginia product was forced into an offense with a subpar line and a historically awful receiving corps. 

    The 23-year-old also flashed glimpses of brilliance, showing that he could be a franchise quarterback under the right circumstances. 

    The addition of Michael Vick probably bumps Smith into the backup role for at least next year, but there's no doubting that the 39th overall pick is tremendous value for a potential franchise quarterback.

    Round 3, Pick 72: Keenan Allen
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    Brian Winters was forced into an expanded role in his first season, and it was clear from the beginning that he wasn't ready for so much playing time. 

    Winters was a liability on the offensive line for most of the year. He's a major question mark entering 2014. 

    With their third-round pick, the Jets couldn't go wrong with selecting Keenan Allen. 

    Allen turned out to be the steal of the draft, as he emerged as the San Diego Chargers' No. 1 offensive threat. 

    Allen recorded 76 catches, 1,046 yards and eight touchdowns in 2013, while playing a major role in revitalizing Philip Rivers' career and leading San Diego to a playoff berth.

    New York's offense would be a lot more dangerous with Allen on the outside.

    With the addition of Eric Decker, the Jets would actually have one of the game's strongest receiving corps if they took Allen in the third round of last year's draft.

    Round 5, Pick 141: Kenny Stills

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    Make it two straight wideouts for Rex Ryan and the Jets. 

    New York's original selection with this pick, Oday Aboushi, didn't make much of a contribution in his rookie season, so the Jets would be better off selecting someone else. 

    Kenny Stills surprisingly emerged as one of the New Orleans Saints' most explosive playmakers in 2013. 

    Stills caught just 32 passes, but he turned that low number into an astounding 641 yards and five touchdowns.

    The Oklahoma product averaged an NFL-best 20.0 yards per catch, and he was responsible for four touchdowns of over 50 yards.

    Gang Green desperately needs a dangerous deep threat who can open up the offense.

    Kenny Stills would be that guy. 

    Round 6, Pick 178: Andre Ellington
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    The Jets finally found a speedy and electric running back with the addition of Chris Johnson. 

    However, if the Jets would have taken Andre Ellington in the sixth round of last year's draft, they would have no need for Johnson. 

    Ellington emerged as the best back on the Arizona Cardinals' roster in his first season, as he averaged a tremendous 5.5 yards per carry and caught 39 passes. 

    The Clemson product is an elite playmaker who can take it to the house on any given touch. 

    Ellington provided tremendous value for Arizona in the sixth round, and he would do the same for John Idzik and the Jets.

    Round 7, Pick 215: Tommy Bohanon

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    The Jets surprisingly got great value from the usually disposable seventh-round pick. 

    Tommy Bohanon didn't load up the stat sheet, but he was a consistent force in the blocking department. 

    Bohanon opened up holes for Chris Ivory and Bilal Powell in the running game, while protecting Geno Smith well in the passing attack. 

    The Wake Forest product will never be a flashy player, but he's a solid fullback in a league where the position is dying. 

    In the seventh round, you can't do much better.

  7. FSU used to stand for "Free Shoes University" when Laveranues Coles and Peter Warrick went there, but is it now "Free Snowcrabs University" with Jameis Winston?

    Damn....Peter Warrick.....that kid was suppose to be something...think he was like a top 5 draft pick too.  Perfect reminder on why you shouldnt trade up in the 1st round for a WR. 

  8. I have been a big fan of getting Ebron hopefully in the 1st but I feel I am starting to lean more n more towards a CB in the first round.  But not just any CB, Dennard.  If Dennard happens to be gone at 18 then I would be more interested in Beckham or Cooks or another player of value.  

     

    Some may feel using this years and last years picks on CB's as a waste but I dont feel that way.  I get the whole thing that CB's dont win superbowls...but they sure can make your season hell when you have a CB that sucks like Cro did last season.  With that said, if we land Dennard and he lives up to his potential and at the same time Milliner continues on at the same rate he finished last season, we will have two top notch CB's for the next 4-5years.  That to me is a beautiful thing.

     

    Obviously I would want a Mike Evans over Dennard, but if I have to choose between Dennard and Cooks or Beckham...I'll pick Dennard.

  9. 16 for 31 for 156 yards, 5.0 ypa and a one to one interception ratio was enough huh? Don't know what the Jets didn't see in that game. Fools.

    I'm not a stat guy so i could careless about his numbers from that one bs game...the potential is there w Simms....if he would have received the same amount of opportunity as Geno did last season he would have out performed him. 

  10. I would be ok with Dennard in the 1st given Mike Evans wasn't still on the board.  If Beckham or Cooks is still on the board than thats one hell of a tuff call to make there at 18. But if we do go CB in round 1 then I'd prefer to go WR round two. Not TE in round 2.  If we are not getting Ebron, then I dont feel we should be going after a TE until the 3rd or 4th.  

     

    http://thejetpress.com/2014/04/28/mock-new-york-jets-draft-weekend-wrap-darqueze-dennard/

     

    If Radio City Music Hall, the Commissioner and the owners had the foresight to see that Draft weekend shouldn’t have been changed, then this would have been the wrap up column from the Draft and we would have an idea of what the 2014 New York Jets finished product will look like. So since there are mock drafts all around I might as well do a mock Draft wrap up article.

    So the Draft has come and past with the Jets using their 12 picks to flex their muscles. They were able to move up and down as the situations presented themselves and the result is an improved roster on paper. Now these rookies need to come in a prove that they belong.

    In Round 1 came to pick 18 the buzz in the crowd was reaching a crescendo. Off the board went Ebron, Watkins & Evans. The Jets faithful were chanting “ODB, ODB” for Odell Beckham Jr. but the Jets stayed at 18 and drafted Darqueze Dennard, the cornerback out of Michigan State. Dennard is physical and smart which are two qualities Rex Ryan looks for in a corner. He has the ability to play press man coverage and as he adjusts to the pro game he should be able to move across the formation to follow top receivers. The crowd booed the pick but most of them will be wearing Dennard jerseys in next few years.

    As the Jets saw the end of the 1st round play out, then the early part of the 2nd they saw that Jace Amaro was still on the board. Do they wait and see if he drops? Is he rated that much higher than Niklas, Sefarian-Jenkins and Fiedorowicz? As Minnesota went on the clock at 40 the crowd noticed the logo changed from the Vikings to the Jets. The crowd erupted as the Deputy Commissioner announced the Jets chose Amaro. Amaro is one of the new breed of tight ends that exploit match ups and can stretch the field. Although his strength does not lie in his blocking he has the core strength and has shown he is a willing blocker. The trade was pick 40 for the Jets pick 49 and pick 104 in the 4th round.

    In Round 3 at pick 80 the Jets finally went linebacker and took Stanford’s Trent Murphy. A well-rounded linebacker who played well enough in coverage to not be a liability but his strength is his pass rush ability. He is a very physical player who never stops working. He had 15 sacks in 2013 which led the nation. Also a team leader who leads by example and holds others accountable.

    In the 4th round, pick 115 came along and those worried about addressing the wide receiver were appeased as the Jets selected Jared Abbrederis of Wisconsin. Abbrederis is a good route-runner that knows how to beat press coverage and get open quickly. He stepped up in a big, nationally televised game against Ohio State by torching highly rated Bradley Roby to the rune of 10 catches for 212 yards. That doesn’t even count the penalties he drew. Abbrederis is the guy that you hate on other teams because he always makes the big catch. He also has extensive punt return experience which is another need for the Jets.

     

    The Jets next selected Antone Exum of Virginia Tech with their 4th round compensatory pick (137) because Rex loves corners and this is a true value pick to find Exum available here. A concern about recovery from an ACL injury in January of 2013 leaves him here. Exum can be a chess piece moved all around by Ryan and Thurman because he has experience at corner and safety. Has good size at 6’0″ and 213 pounds. Exum has press man experience as well as two years of free safety work to fall back on. The diehards that come on Day 3 of the draft give their approval here.

    The Jets traded down from 154 in the 5th round to 162 and picked up pick 237 in the 7th round as a result. Ryan Groy of Wisconsin slipped through the cracks and was still available then. Groy plays left guard mostly but has experience at center and even a couple of games at left tackle. Definitely a backup with starter’s potential.

    Into the 6th round at pick 195 the Jets draft a running back going with Mississippi State’s LaDarius Perkins. Perkins is built like a bowling ball at 5’7″ and 195 pounds. He has 4.46 speed and had over 1,500 all-purpose yards as a senior. He cuts well, accelerates well and has breakaway speed when he gets to the next level. He can catch the ball out of the backfield and block as well. Good value in the 6th round.

    Pick 210 floored many Jets fans when John Idzik selected Colt Lyerla, the tight end out of Oregon. After all the talk about character and fitting into the “Play Like a Jet” mold, Idzik drafts a player who is extremely talented but has major character red flags, such as an arrest for cocaine possession and multiple suspensions from the school. Still a lot of experts believe he can be an offensive weapon that can break a defense down the seam. A pairing of Amaro and Lyerla would be scary for opponents and Cumberland would still be on the roster as insurance.

    The following pick the Jets selected Jeremy Gallon of Michigan. Gallon led the Wolverines in receiving the past two years despite inconsistent quarterback play. He plays much taller than his 5’7″ frame and has the single-game Big Ten record for receiving yards with 369 against Indiana in 2013 as well as the Michigan single-season receiving record (besting Braylon Edwards) with 1,373. Gallon is a better player than his measurables indicate and one that just finds a way to succeed.

    The last of the compensatory picks is pick 213. Vinnie Sunseri of Alabama is a safety who can drop in the box and support the run as well as having good hands and excellent football IQ. He also called the signals for the Alabama defense and has value as a special teamer.

    The 7th round begins with the Jets own pick at 233. Rex gets his pick and the Jets draft Tajh Boyd, QB out of Clemson. Boyd is mobile, has won a lot of games at Clemson but is also not very accurate and has had a nightmare of an offseason with poor performances. Once considered a possibility of a 1st round pick last year he is now here in the 7th just waiting for a chance. It’s a good value plus Rex has seen him play more than any other college quarterback and likes him. Good developmental quarterback.

    Lastly at pick 237 the Jets take a flyer on defensive end Michael Sam of Missouri. Sam will be heralded because of his announcement that he will be the first openly gay player in the NFL. Football-wise, it is odd to see the SEC Co-defensive player of the year available in the 7th round but here he is. Sam had 11.5 sacks last year and finished the plays that were flushed to him. He would project to OLB with the Jets but although he has a high motor, his speed and quickness around the edge. Some teams will stay away because the player will always generate extra attention and could be a distraction in year 1 if the media gets out of control. He also will have to assimilate into the locker room where there still are some prejudices but here he has a friend in Sheldon Richardson and that would make his transition easier.

    So there you have it. 12 picks are in the book with the focus on offense with a QB, an RB, 2 WRs, 2 TEs and a OL. Defensively, they got the best corner in the draft and another corner that can can play safety. They also addressed OLB for the 1st time in awhile, as well as some special teamers that will have a chance to develop into future starters. They took some chances with Lyerla and Sam that will test the locker room but on paper they are an improved team today.

    We’ll see how the real draft turns out in less than 2 weeks. I, for one, am getting antsy waiting for the Draft. Can’t wait.

     

  11. Matt Simms will be out of football by September 1. I just want you to get ready for it. It will be less painful if you do it a little at a time.

    you mean he will be on the Dolphins or Patriots by Sept 1st

  12. Former Ohio State cornerback Bradley Roby, a potential first-round draft pick, may have just done something to significantly downgrade his draft stock.

    According to 10 News in Ohio, Roby is facing a a charge of OVI, or operating a vehicle under the influence.

    The incident took place on April 20, when officers were called to the scene of a person passed out behind the wheel of a car. The officers who responded to the call reported that they couldn’t get the driver’s attention, and that when they opened the door they noticed the odor of alcohol. The driver failed a field sobriety test.

    Roby’s agent Michael Perrett gave a different account of the incident to Ohio State sports website ElevenWarriors.com.

    “This past weekend my client Bradley Roby was issued a citation in Columbus, Ohio for operating a vehicle while impaired (OVI),” Perrett said in a statement. “Bradley was sitting in his parked car in a parking lot when he was approached and questioned by an officer. He was fully cooperative and willingly submitted to field sobriety and breathalyzer tests. His BAC test registered a negligible .008 and after further testing at the police station, he was very quickly released on his own recognizance. There are no other charges, and we are confident that this matter will be resolved quickly and favorably for Bradley. However, as the matter is still pending, we cannot comment further at this time.”

    This isn’t Roby’s first off-field incident. He was also suspended for the first game of last season after he was accused of getting in a bar fight, although criminal charges in that case were eventually dropped.

    Roby is one of the 30 players who will attend the NFL draft. This incident means he’s likely going to have to wait a little longer to hear his name called on draft day.

    Incident took place on 4/20, huh? He probably smoked a bunch of blunts too that night lol. 

  13. If we would have brought back Revis this year, this defense would be set to friggen go...especially after the draft.....plus, we wouldnt even have to consider using a high draft pick on a cb this year and could bring in talent at another needed area. He pricey, I get that...but he a complete shutdown corner...hes worth it. 

     

    And he definitely is better than Sherman. 

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