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  1. This might be sheer brilliance on the part of Sanchez.  After reading recent posts on here, it is clear that the image of a professional athlete has changed radically in NY.   Sanchez has a plan.


    During camp he is going to announce he is coming out of the closet.   he will immediately go from being one of the most hated players in NYC, to an absolute hero.  All we will be hearing about is his courage.


    Scribes will be writing articles that he cannot be cut, or it will be a clear indication that the Jets are homophobic.  Woody will insist that Sanchez start. There will be thousands of posts on here supporting him.  The number of registered posters will double.  People will be talking about the ring of honor.

    This kid might be a crappy QB, but he is smart.   After all this is 2013

    I think your onto something



  2. Brian Winters - A Biography

    We continue to look at the Jets 2013 draft selections with a small bio on 3rd round pick Brian Winters.


    via media.al.com


    As we get into the middle rounds of the Jets draft selections, it will become increasingly difficult to find the information on the prospects. So I apologise if they now become a little shorter, it’s not being lazy it’s just that with lower ‘valued’ prospects, the information available is not quite as extensive. However saying that, we’ll still do our best to bring you all the key information. So here is our take on Brian Winters, our third round pick from Kent State.


    "He hit with the force of a snow plow." -Tom Narducci (HS Coach)

    During high school it wasn’t just about football for Brian, as well as lettering in football twice, he also lettered in wrestling three times. In fact he was named all-NOC in wrestling in his freshman and Sophomore years. While attending Hudson High School in Ohio he was named to the All-Ohio and all-Northeast Ohio conference team his senior season. As well as being named to the All-Conference team his Sophomore and Junior seasons. Naturally a big man, Brian didn’t quite get the recognition coming out of high school that many thought he deserved.


    via prod.static.jets.clubs.nfl.com

    Winters was rated as just a two star recruit by both rivals.com and scout.com, but we have to remember that Eric Fisher the number one overall selection in the 2013 NFL draft, was also rated as just a two star prospect coming out of high school. Brian received three offers, he decided to attend Kent State university over offers from Akron and Syracuse.One of Brian Winters best attributes is his durability. From the moment he started the first game his freshman year to the moment he ended his last game his senior year, he never missed a start, not once. That is 50 straight games played without any injuries preventing him for taking the football field.

    Now it is hard to measure a offensive guards performance, because there are just not enough statistics used, so unless you watch the games it’s very difficult to grasp just how good a player he is. So let’s just quickly go over some of his achievements over the course of his college career.In 2009, he started all 12 contests at RT. In 2010 he started the first 8 contests at left tackle and then shifted back over to RT for the final 4. Then in 2011 and 2012 he started every single game at left tackle. In 2010 he earned All-MAC third team honors and in 2011 he was named to the following teams: All Mid-American Conference second team, Phil Steele’s All-MAC third team and the All-Ohio Second team. In 2012 Winters really started to flourish blocking for Dri Archer. He was named to the All-MAC First team as well as being voted team captain by teammates and coaches. He was just the third player in program history to be invited to the NFL combine and was named to the Rotary Lombardi award watch list.

    It was his ferocious play in 2012 that earned Brian Winters an invitation to the senior bowl, no doubt this is where he first caught the real attention of Rex Ryan. While in Mobile, Alabama he was moved from tackle to guard, and in a week of practise and the game itself, he dominated opponents with his power inside and this is when everyone realised that his future was going to be inside rather than outside. He went to the combine with a lot of confidence and performed well cementing his position as a likely third round pick.

    "We’d be playing pick-up basketball and his arm was so big it would take four guys to get it back in place, Then, he’d just keep playing. He’s an absolute brute." -Rose


    As we did with Milliner/Geno and Richardson, we’ll do a quick mini scouting profile just to go over his game :


    + Plays with a wide base and natural flexibility in the hips.

    + Extremely durable, played in 50 straight games in college.

    + Finishes every single play, keeps legs churning

    + Has good foot quickness, needed to start at left tackle.

    + Possesses length and quickness, often gets to the second level


    ~ Can sometimes lose his balance when up against strong opponents

    ~ Needs to keep his head up

    ~Sometimes can be over-aggressive after the whistle

    ~Sometimes can play a little high with his pad level

    ~Has no experience playing guard

    Work Ethic

    Now apart from his left shoulder popping out and him just popping it back in and continuing to play, Winters doesn’t have any injury or character concerns. So I thought I would highlight another area that stood out when I was researching him. This guy knows how to work for what he wants. Ever since he was a kid his parents have made him earn everything he gets, at age 8 he started mowing lawns and doing extra little jobs to earn pocket money. In the Winter he threw a plow onto the front of his truck and cleared roads and driveways earning up to $2,000 a year. It wasn’t uncommon for him to be up all night plowing driveways then at the facility for 6:00am workouts and then a full day of classes. Put simple, Brian Winters is a grinder and that’s why he won’t allow himself to fail.


    I really like Brian Winters as a prospect, when I look at offensive lineman I want durability, toughness and strength, and he does have all of those things. As he hasn’t played at guard yet, I think there will be some growing pains, but he has all the attributes to pick it up quickly and I wouldn’t be surprised if he wins the RG battle in camp (not exactly the toughest competition) and he gradually gets better as the season goes on. Brian is a blue-chip kind of guy who has always had to work for everything in his life and he’ll have to do the same here. If you want to know a few interesting things about Bryan, he drives an old 1999 ford pick-up truck and he listens to country music. Don’t you all feel a little better knowing that.


    Good info....and tells exactly why it would have been pointless to draft a G at #9 because you can find prospects like this in the 3rd!! 

  3.  I agree he will have a chance to get the carries and gain the yards with the Jets.  I hope he does it, but based on what he's done, I'm not looking at some guy who definitely will get 200 carries and 1200 yards.    Lynch on the other hand,   his last couple of seasons in Buffalo sucked because the guy was suspended for off the field issues like running over a person, he's had issues with the law before that situation, etc and the new coaching staff kind of soured after that.   Kind of happens when players have a bad attitude and get suspended for violating NFL conduct policies.


     So while Lynch had some injury issues, his major issue was serious attitude and legal problems.     The fact he was traded away and seemed to have a better attitude was why he put up numbers, not because he was ever a backup or injury prone.   Ivory just didn't play because nobody thinks enough of him to start.   All the excuses are just excuses.

    He didn't start bc he was in a crowded back field consisting Ingram, P. Thomas, and Sproles. So you take all those running backs + a offense that barely runs as it is = very little playing time. Nothing to do with anyone not thinking enough of him.  Ask a Saints fan what they think of   He had only those couple games when Sproles was out to come in and really show what he got and he did exactly just that.  The guy was beasting it all over the field.  Its also the reason why the Saints were able to trade him for a 4th this year.  

  4. the feeling is mutual


    it was so sad seeing him try to look excited that he was taken by this franchise.  the jets are the herpes of draft prospects hopes, the last place they want to play.  it was obvious.  milliner and whats his face had the same look





    funny you mention that, I remember thinking like the same thing when I saw Milliners and Richardsons face when they stood with their jersey...it kinda looked like a face you give when you get a shtty gift at xmas but you still have to be polite and smile 



  5. So are you suggesting that the Jets should've given him more chances because of his name recognition? Or just that it's okay that it's a bigger deal because of his name recognition? Because I'll grant you the second point. Tebow's congregation wants Tebow news 24/7, and the media is happy to comply. But I don't see that same name recognition as a reason to start him at QB if he's performing worse than Greg McElroy in practice. 


    The conversation around Tebow now is about whether or not he'll get another shot in the NFL. That's the guy the Jets should've started at the end of the year? I think there are probably enough reasons not to play him without getting into conspiracy theories. 

    I couldn't agree more. 

  6. Not looking at Revis as a net loss since he didn't play last year the Jets have strengthened their secondary, front 7, OL, RBs and QB positions with nearly no cap space to speak of.

    Nothing not to like from Idzik. I'll be keeping a close eye on Keenan Allen's career as he was there for the taking in the 3rd round but Winters was a solid pick at a pos of need.

    Wanted Keenan, BAD!

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  7. If Geno performs well or hell if Sanchez does a 180 from last year and holmes doesn't act like a lil btch this season I will be very into it.  More than confident Ivory will be a beast for us so not much concern there.  I hope our OL gets it together with the new draft picks and free agent pick up and we can put out a decent OL every week.  Defense I feel will do well enough as is to compete every week.  

  8. No way on Mickens and B Thomas, nice list above, I'd add Lageman onto it too.

    Thats why I was curious about what they looked at as far as qualification to get in the ROH.  Mickens and B Thomas were solid for us throughout the years but I agree their play may not be worthy of a ROH induction.  

  9. And your right NJ mead., it would be very interesting to see if the Jets would honor Chad and or Vinny in the Ring of Honor.  Again, not elite at their position but were very helpful to this organization during there time here and are fan favorites til this day for most.

  10. It seems like they are being picky with inductions after the first few years, which is good.


    My guess would be that the next class will be Marty Lyons and Wayne Chrebet.  Maybe biased because Chrebet my favorite player of all-time, perhaps in any sport.  And good luck finding a Jet fan who doesn't have him in his top 5.  Chrebet and Lyons have been good soldiers to the organization (and Wayne hasn't spoken out about his brain being beaten to mush).  It would not surprise me to see them induct Dennis Byrd.  I'm also interested to see what they think of all their post-Namath QBs (O'Brien, Vinny, Chad).   But I would rank any possible candidates as this...

    1. Marty Lyons
    2. Wayne Chrebet
    3. Dennis Byrd
    4. Mo Lewis
    5. Kyle Clifton
    6. Al Atkinson
    7. Shaun Ellis
    8. Kevin Mawae
    9. Mickey Shuler
    10. Pat Leahy
    11. Aaron Glenn
    12. Victor Green

    Your right, they seem to be picky which is what made wonder what is the exact criteria they're looking for to make the ROH.  Do they have to retire a Jet or just play long enough with us to be recognized as a career jet, or both.  And be very good too of course.


    Loved aaron glenn and victor green and Chrebet.  Chrebet had the heart of a lion.  Great list all together.  Kevin Mawae was the best center in the league for years while he played with us so I would expect him in 100%   

  11. After seeing on TV last night that Warren Sapp was inducted into the Bucs Ring of Honor, it made me ponder the question of who will be the next Jet to go in our ROH.  I figured Revis was a given but apparently he may not if he goes on and has a long career w the Bucs and continues to perform on the same level. He will probably join Sapp in the Bucs ROH then.  I can easily see Mangold and possibly Brick as well but when it comes to defense I am unsure.  Did Shaun Ellis have a good enough career to enter our ROH? Bryan Thomas? Ray Mickens? They weren't elite players at their position but they were productive for us over the years and were basically career Jets.... but at the same time, I don't know what the standards are for the ROH.  Wayne Chrebet should be there for sure in my opinion. 

  12.   I would agree with this, but it's just not true.   You have guys like Kevin Kolb who have done what in the NFL? Did anybody actually think the guy could play QB after the Arizona debacle?   And John Skelton?  yeah right. A guy like Chase Daniels gets a nice contract for what?   Hell, Tavarius Jackson is still in the NFL.  So is David Carr.  Jesse Palmer did what exactly years ago besides go on the bachelor?


      I don't think Tebow is an NFL QB, but if you look around,  is Curtis Painter?   Is Matt Simms or Greg McElroy?  Hell at this point,  how is Mark Sanchez still in the NFL after the past two years?   Joey Harrington seemed to stick around for a few years before people realized he sucked.  The only reason Ryan Leaf didn't stick around was because the guy was an a-hole.     


     And people said Drew Brees was too short to be a QB. Years ago nobody thought Flutie QB.  Not saying Tebow will be anything close to those guys, but if you have played QB and won in high school, college, and the NFL,  why would you think you're not a QB?   It's not like the kid got lucky or had a bunch of picks.  He can't throw that's for sure, but somehow the Broncos won a playoff game.    Yeah people claim it was all the defense, except they suddenly never bring that up in conversations when that same defense gave up 40 some points to the Bills or Patriots.      


     Tebow hasn't gotten a fair shake.  He didn't really get it in Denver, but there was no way the Broncos could have gone that season with Orton or Quinn because the fans wouldn't have it.  They finally caved and the Broncos did win a playoff game.    He didn't get a fair shake in NY because really, the Jets fans  never cared for him and the coaching staff didn't care to give him a chance.    And that is life.  Life isn't always fair.    It's business.   It was Rex.  Tony. And so on.    


     The reality is as bad as Tebow is,  he couldn't have been any worse than McElroy or Sanchez.  So what if he sucked it up.  They lost anyway with Sanchez who nobody wants anymore. The only difference is if the Jets did win the last two games with Tebow,   Rex would've been fired already.

    Correct...maybe he didn't get a fair shot...but what exactly is a fair shot in the NFL...you either get the opportunity and you shine or you dont get it.  Could you imagine if Bledsoe never got injured? There goes a future HOF (brady) who may have never seen a full season to shine and become the HOF that he is(Damn Mo Lewis just couldn't back off at the sideline).  Tebow did have that opportunity at least and it just wasn't enough to secure him a starting QB role anywhere else after the Broncos.. I wonder how many potentially Bradys were in the NFL at some point and never had that chance to shine.  Is that then considered not getting a fair shot? 

  13. I just dont understand how the Jets screwed Tebow.  Maybe he was given false hope of what his role would be here or was brought in as a dog n pony show so Woody can sell more PSLs....but hey, its the NFL, nothing is promised for anyone. Plus, if he had that much talent as a QB then there would have been teams lined up to take him off waivers which there wasn't.  Teams didn't sign him bc the Jets screwed him... but bc he's not that good of a QB and doesn't really even fit the role of a solid back-up.  He is an all around great athlete, there is no doubting that...but that worked out better for him in college than it did in the NFL.

    Sooo even if he was dcked around by the Jets all year in front of a major media venue then so be it.... I'll take that all day for the paycheck he was getting....how bout the guy who gets laid off by his work and was only making 40K a year and has two mouths to feed at home plus a mortgage..I would say that is being screwed by a company you work for....not by being signed by the New York Jets as a back-up QB with limited playing time for a cool couple million... that's a friggen luxury!  

    Now dont get me wrong ..I am a big fan of Tebow and the way he represents himself....I even bought my son his jersey and would love to see the guy start for another NFL team as I feel he has great character and he is a tremendous athlete and could help another team to win....but I'm just not so sure that will be at starting QB....I wish him the best and enjoyed seeing him as a Jet and would have loved to seen him out there more at times.... but by all means...he didn't get screwed.  

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