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  1. 34 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

    While this thread is nonsense I think people bringing up the sack total are also missing the point.

    Any further analysis of Lawson shows that he’s an outstanding pass rusher who’s steadily improved since entering the league. The camp reports seemed to indicate he could be about to take his game to another level and become that premiere pass rusher. Now we’ll never know.

    It’s not just that we lost him, it affects the whole line and front 7, which he was probably the most integral part of. The tanking talk is ridiculous but this really, really hurts the team.

    I dont think our schedule is that easy, I was thinking 9-8 would be our ceiling.  Losing Lawson probably costs us 2-3 wins.

  2. 13 hours ago, Maxman said:

    What about this scenario:  You take Jenkins and the line looks like this:

    Becton - Tucker - McGovern - ? - Jenkins

    Now what if, and this is a big if, Cam Clark comes to camp and earns a starting job at RG? The line will young with a veteran center.

    You can waive Fant and Lewis and save valuable cap space.

    Nice to dream.  

    My ideal scenario is to trade back in the 2nd to pick up a 3rd or even a 4th and somehow still land Creed Humphrey.

    Becton - Tucker - Humphrey - McGovern - Fant.

  3. 7 hours ago, Pointdexter said:

    Who has a better year in 2022:


    Zach Wilson with the Jets in LaFleur's offense


    Sam Darnold with the Panthers in Joe Brady's offense


    *In my opinion if it's a draw then that's a win for the Jets since Wilson is younger and he saves tons of cap space.

    Darnold will benefit from Joe Brady as OC, an above average OL, a consistent and effective running game and a slew of weapons.  Carolina will go 10-6 and make the playoffs.  Darnold will throw for 4,400 yards 27 TD and 14 Ints.

    Wilson will have rookie struggles, a below average OL, a poor running game and a below avg group of weapons. The Jets will finish 7-9  Wilson will throw for 3.600  yards 22 TDS  24 INTS.

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  4. 5 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

    Bowles won 10 games his first year here. Let's not break out the anointing oil for Saleh until we actually see demonstrable results.

    I hear ya, but I'll never forget that scene in year two - when Bowles went over to the DL members on the sideline and balled them out - as he walks away you could see the eyerolls and Leo Williams burst out laughing.  They looked at Bowles as a clown - because he had no accountability for the terrible job his buddy was doing as DC.

    Saleh is a tough guy, he is not going to allow one of his assistants to cause him failure.

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  5. 9 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    Having his son in a DUI that almost (and may still) kill a few children might have been a distraction to Reid.  He's only human.

    Should anyone have thought otherwise, yesterday proved the Bieniemy does nothing.  Its all Andy Reid, and Reid failed in the leadership department yesterday - not that I am blaming him - his son may be going to prison for a very long time.  Don't underestimate the impact on the entire locker room of seeing one of your coaches - who also happens to be the son of your head coach - commit such a heinous and reckless crime.   I will never understand why super wealthy people will insist on driving when intoxicated.  Andy Reid must be worth at least $100M and I am sure his son gets paid generously.  He couldnt take a ******* uber?  Seeing that photo of that poor little girl in the hospital - I am shocked that KC played as well as they did.

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  6. 2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

    Todd Bowles was the MVP of the postseason and I feel like Jets fans need to come to terms with that.

    Todd Bowles has proven himself of being a great DC.  I believe much of his failure with the Jets falls directly on his best friends Kacy Rogers.  Remember when Rogers had to take a leave due to illness?  The Jets D was incredible in those games.  I think is was Kacy who did not prepare the defense (as Jamal had alluded to) and did not know how to call defensive plays.   The other reason for his failure was he was not strong enough of a leader- I believe he lost the locker room for his blind loyalty to Rogers.  In Bowles first season the team was on auto-pilot led by career years from Fitzpatrick and Marshall.  The following season Fitzpatrick showed up fat and lazy, Marshall got frustrated and the locker room blew up.  He tried to clean house, but thanks to Mac, talent was not replaced with talent, and Rogers only got worse.  Bowles probably learned a lot of lessons and may very well make a good head coach someday.  That is the fear of an inexperienced head coach, they do not understand the level of responsibility they bear and do not have a powerful voice to reign power.  Nevertheless, I do not have that fear with Saleh - he is going to come in kicking ass and everyone will respect him for it. 

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  7. Here's what I could see happening.  

    1)  Jets Trade Darnold and a #3 to the Niners for their #1

    2) Niners cut Jimmy G.   NE signs Jimmy G

    3) Jets trade down from #2 with Cincinnati who wants Sewell and also get a second rounder.

    4) Jets select Trey Lance at #5

    5) Jets sign either Bethard or Mullens to start in 2021.

    6) Jets select TE Kyle Pitts at 12

    7) Jets select Travis Etienne at #23.

    8)  Jets grab Jayson Oweh and Creed Humphrey in Round 2.

  8. 16 minutes ago, JH Jet Fan said:

    Not for us it didn't.  This is working out perfectly for us.  

    Not sure it ruined it though, Cutler went for 2 1s.  Palmer went for a 1.  Even Sam Bradford went for a 1.  As I said before, QB is most important position in sports thus prices should be higher than every other non-QB deal and they always have.  Even Rosen, who was terrible, garnered a 2 & 5.

    Even Richard Todd garnered a 1.

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  9. 1 hour ago, Wit said:

    Holy sh*t balls. The lions got those first rounders for getting the rams out of cap hell. 

    The salary diff is only $8M for 2021, 2022 and 2023.  It just saves them from being stuck with a gutless crappy QB for the next 6 years.   Even though Detroit is getting 3 draft picks, I feel like the Rams got the better of them.   Goff sucks and McVay had it with him.  They will probably draft a QB this year or next.  

    San Fran is going to get a new QB as well.  Mostly because they can cut Garoppolo this year with minimal cap implications.  So either SF trades for Darnold, Watson or drafts one in the 1st  round.


  10. 15 hours ago, Grandy said:

    I think the crowd that wants to preserve our picks, and build around Darnold is missing something. Especially the people that don't even think he's good, but just want to preserve the capital and evaluate the next QB classes. 

    Best case scenario is we build a successful team, but if we don't have a QB we'll still not be competitive, nor be bad enough to get a top pick (if the previous capital was a success like people want to bet on). This lands us where we have to give up large capital to get the QB we need, but in the future which ends up putting us in a circle of still giving up capital to get a QB when we have an open lane to do it now.

    It's worth noting that only 1 QB ever has had such a poor statistical profile, and turned out to be good (Alex Smith). So the odds are way against Darnold no matter what. It's just a bad idea all around to push back getting a QB this year. We NEED to get Watson or draft a guy at the top. Watson is choice A, QB at #2 is choice B. There is no other reasonable choice.


    Ehh, there's been others.  Vinny T looked like the worst QB ever until Little Bill brought him to Cleveland.   Drew Brees was good but not all world with the Chargers.  Rich Gannon was garbage until the Raiders gave him Jerry Rice, Tim Brown and Jerry Porter.  Another former Raider - Jim Plunkett.  Maybe add Ryan Tannenhill to that list.

    Has Darnold done anything to make us feel like he has the potential to be a franchise QB?  He showed glimpses his rookie year and had a few good games in his mono year.  This year I feel like he had a bad attitude from day one, maybe it was because he lost his most reliable target, maybe its because he realized the OL still stunk or maybe he just got fed up with Gase.  Gase's offense was extremely uncreative yet very complicated - it required the WRs to read the defense and adjust their routes accordingly and the QB to see it the same way as the WRs do.   You need very good chemistry with your WRs for this to work - 1st Gase season, Darnold caught mono but then had a few really good games, 2nd season - no OTA's, limited practice time and no weapons to practice with.   You cannot disagree that Darnold was placed in a historically bad situation the past two years PERIOD! 

  11. 21 hours ago, addage said:

    Jets fans sound like they are panting to be on the wrong side of the Herschel Walker trade.

    Blair Thomas and JL Jones pale in comparison to how stupid Vikings were in making that trade.

    You know, I was thinking something similar, one more ACL tear and Watson could become Dante Culpepper.

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  12. 9 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

    Too many RBs, not enough legit WR talent.  

    You cannot look at this years WR class and say - ooh there's my WR1, I like Chase, but I don't think he's a WR1,  Waddle could be, but maybe not, I fear Devonta - I really do - I feel he has a lower floor that Waddle or Chase.  So why overdraft due to need - that's not how to build a winning team.  Pitts is a beast who after he adds to his frame a bit can become a dominate TE.   As for RB - we have one RB on our Roster worthy of being on next year's team and he looked only ehh in his rookie season.   Our only hope at landing a WR1 is signing Allen Robinson.    


    Let's build a top 5 OL, add a couple of backs, a beast at TE and a few intriguing WRs.  This is not a year for QB's or WRs.  Not in love with the Edge talent either.   Once again the Jets have no luck.  Imagine Chase Young was coming out this year with TL - SMH.  

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  13. I am sorry, I see all these posts about drafting a QB but I cannot say anyone in this class, perhaps even TL jumps out and screams potential franchise QB.  

    Last year I felt Herbert, Burrow and Love did have that potential.

    Two years ago, I  felt none had it - I was shocked that Kyler Murray went #1 overall, and Daniel Jones went in the first round.  I still feel, as talented as he is, Kyler will never be one to push his team over the top.

    Three years ago I felt that it was Sam Darnold and only Sam Darnold, I saw Baker Mayfield as a very distant second and nobody else was even worthy of a 1st round pick.  I sure AF was wrong about Josh Allen, as far as Lamar Jackson goes - he's a lot better than I imagined, but there is something missing from his game.

    In 2017 I thought Watson was the only potential franchise QB - well thank God I am not a GM.

    In 2016 I thought they all would be busts, Goff, Wentz, Lynch...I guess I was kinda right, never saw Dak coming though.


    Whats the point of all this?  Drafting a QB in the first round is more often than not a wasted premium pick, more often than any other position you draft for.

    Now really look closely at this year's class - they all suck.  None of these guys are great, they are just hyped.

    Does that mean I want to trade for a sure thing like Watson?  Think of this - how many players on the Jets would start for another NFL team?  On offense: Becton, McGovern, Crowder and Darnold.   On Defense: QWill, Foley Fat, CJ and Maye.   Thats pretty sad.   Perhaps we can develop some of the younger guys like Phillips, Franklin-Myers, Sheppard, Huff, Zuniga, Hall and Austin on D, and Clark and Mims on O.   Still there are too many holes left to fill.    We need two WRs, a franchise RB, two TE's, two OL, Two LBs, 2 CB's and a S.    That's right - 12 position players are needed to make us a playoff team, maybe you can get four from FA, but that still leaves 8 holes = not one of which is QB.   

    Conclusion,  trade down in the draft. finish building the OL, get a real RB, and a WR, Edge, CB and S. roll with Sam next year, determine if Morgan has any potential and keep an eye on the QB class of 2022.  If everything falls into place, with a new coach and some new faces, we could make the playoffs next  year.  Trading for Watson is fools gold at this point, our roster is no better than Houston's.

    My 2021 draft simulator bull$hit:


    • NYJ
      Kyle Pitts
      TE Florida
      trade icon
    • NYJ
      Alijah Vera-Tucker
      OT USC
      trade icon
    • NYJ
      Wyatt Davis
      OG Ohio State
    • NYJ
      Trevon Moehrig
      S TCU
      trade icon
    • NYJ
      Creed Humphrey
      OC Oklahoma
    • NYJ
      Elijah Moore
      WR Mississippi
    • NYJ
      Rhamondre Stevenson
      RB Oklahoma
      trade icon
    • NYJ
      Trey Sermon
      RB Ohio State
    • NYJ
      D’Wayne Eskridge
      WR Western Michigan
      trade icon
    • NYJ
      Osa Odighizuwa
      DT UCLA
    • NYJ
      Josh Imatorbhebhe
      WR Illinois
    • NYJ
      Malcolm Koonce
      EDGE Buffalo
      trade icon


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  14. 5 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

    Saleh has played the Sam question 100% correct thusfar.  It is the A++ answer. There is no downside to it. Even if the Jets end up not drafting or trading for a QB, it is still uncertain enough to make Sam uncomfortable, but pumps Sam up enough so other teams don't think that Sam's trade value is just north of a case of Welch's Grape Soda.

    Damn could I go for some Welch's Grape Soda now, I forgot how good that sh*t is.  7/11 better have it.

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  15. THIS IS HUGE!  I have not been this excited about the Jets since Bill Parcells was hired.   Saleh is for real, he's going to bust balls and kick ass.  This team will play angry and hungry.  

    Kudos to Joe D for not just looking for the next McVay in Joe Brady.  Saleh is a leader, the likes of which we haven't seen - well, since Parcells.  I could not be happier.  

    MARK MY WORDS - Saleh will take us to the playoffs!

    Now let's build a ******* team for him to coach!

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  16. 7 minutes ago, LSJF said:

    I’m sure Kyrie Mosley would be happy...


    10 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

    If we are going to wait.....

    And no Selah my Number 2

    Let's get him..

    Don "Wink" Martindale is an American football coach who is the defensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens of the National Football League. He was promoted to defensive coordinator on January 9, 2018, after spending the previous six seasons as the team's linebackers coach.

    Listen and learn......


    He is in my top 6...........

    Hard Pass, the Ravens are a defensive factory. even Mike Nolan succeeded there.  BFD  He's also very much a players coach...Harbaugh is the disciplinarian not Wink. 

  17. 2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

    Pure nonsense.  


    What you should look for in a head coach is a great inspiration leader who motivates ALL, the players, the assistant coaches and the training staff.   He also must have expertise regarding both sides of the ball.  This BS of a HC delegating all decisions to a coordinator doesn't float - no dotted lines!  Lastly he must hire the great coordinators and great assistants who know how to develop talent - again the HC must oversee everyone and make sure everyone is doing their job.

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  18. 1 hour ago, Bowles Movement said:

    A lot of guys here wanted him over Gase.   He is now 2-6 despite Prescott and Elliott and a host of receivers.   Not defending Gase at all, but do the guys that wanted him still think he would have been a better choice?  Or just another sh*tty choice?

    Hiring Mike Nolan as DC has really hurt Dallas, he is the most uncreative DC in the game.  He has only had success when coaching elite defenders.   Huge blunder by McCarthy.

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  19. 6 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

    He was talking about Belichick no longer having the GOAT QB.  He said that BB "is just like the rest of us now".  Rex also added "You think I wanted to be 'ground and pound'?  Nope, I didn't have a choice".  He did add that he still thinks BB is the GOAT HC.

    But I take that as a shot against Sanchez.

    He's still regretting that tattoo.

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