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  1. Mo Lewis was our best player during our darkest days, the Kotite/Coslet/Caroll years. He deserves an award for that
  2. Make fun of Rex all u want, Revis will never be the same player as he was under Rex, not that he won't be real good with the Pats, but Rex system was built for Mevis. That said, I hope we never ever see him in green.
  3. This guiy is just looking for an excuse to go apple picking in the fall instead of manning up and watching football. Betcha his women hates football and wears the pants in the house so now that he finally has a girlfriend he's testing this BS with us before he uses these execuses on his pals when the apple and strawberry's coming calling. Rex is a clown, I mean how old is that. Suprised he did not call him fat. Hate the owner, that's always a good one, Yankee fans used that one in 1986 to switch to the Mets. Something was lost but it was not passion. Heard this crap 10x over, its a women!!!!!!!!!!!!! C YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  4. The show was Mike Francesca X 100. Instead of repeating himself three times, it was an hour repeating the same point over and over and over with the same points over and over with not one intelligent person to debate the issue.. And all we heard was 10 teams contacted him. Yet he visited only one team and signed with that team 10 days after that report. Did it ever cross your mind that the dudes agent planted that story and no one but the Chargers were interested. And calling this guy a pro bowl level player when not one team wanted to give them even a 7th rd. pick for him for the last 2 months? . And how come I never heard you talk about this guy when free agency started and he was on the trading block. And BTW, according to you, every move that Idzik has made to fix the CB position is a total failure, everyone. But Brandon Flowers will fix everything.. And how can anyone want us to sign Revis after all the distractions he caused the last time. And the Giants signing Cromartie for that contact is going to be the final straw in Reese's career. Thank you John Idzik for being smart and patient and letting other teams over pay for one year wonders or douche bags like Revis. ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE IDZIK A CHANCE
  5. I do find some interesting discussions on this podcast and appreciate the time and effort. That said, I am not sure these guys will ever be happy and use the podcast as a bitch fest. I heard from another podcast that Vick sucks because Houston did not sign him but signed Fitzgerald so that means Vick is done. THese are the kinds of statements that are going on at almost every podcast. Try SNY Podcast, the only one that is professional and level headed but not homers. I will continue to listen and boil because any Jet talk is better then know jet talk
  6. We all know how you feel about Rex, so if you are being honest, and not being the anti-Jet, Mike Petine is a little bit smarter then my 7 year old dog and that's because my dog can't flush. Rex gav that moron the defensive call resonsbilities and he failed misreably and he had to take it back. How this guy got the job, I will never know. I don't have an opinion on Manzziel other then thank god the Jets did go after him like U wanted them to.
  7. I was wondering why everyone was mocking the pick of TomShane for the podcast gig but after reading his rant on Rex, I get it. Holy smokes, I listened to the podcast and thought he was a comedian, like a schtick, because what he was saying was so off base and just dumb ass Jet fan stuff. But I guess what he says is for real?. He can't really think this sutff, right? He just boxed himself into a corner and now he just has to go with it? Its the nutiest stuff I have ever heard/listen to in all my years of following sports. And I I am not in love with Rex the head coach either., just the coordinator. Man, just find another team because you are lost. And thanks for ruining the podcast, I had to delete it.
  8. I say definitely sign him... OOOps , thought the post said he was let go. Forget signing him
  9. 1. The idea that Rex would give Russell Wilson the chance to beat out Sanchez is LOL territory. 2. The Saints have Brees because they were smart. Rex babied Sanchez and treated him like his son. He never changelled him with true competition, totally handed him the job and we never once rained the guy in. Not good when your starting QB pouts when he walks off the field with his head down and go sits on the bench by himself. Never once said me or I, was always we when assigning blame. I believe Rex would have played Sanchez over Brady if brady was an unknown. THe man is cluess when it comes to offensive talent. Watch hard knocks last week, I wanted to puke with the John Connor crap and seeing mcknight play like crap and woodhead doing everything right but you could tell Rex had no intention of keeping woodhead. Thankfully, we have Idzik, not Rex's butt boy Tanny making those deicsions. Sickening The dolphins passed on Brees and took Duante Culpepper instead because of knee concerns. But so what, if Rex was the saints head coach, you think brees and the saints would have been just as successful? Hell no, he had a qb friendly, offensive smart hc in sean payton. Rex is QB killer, not just the other team, our team. MM was the best move Rex has ever made.
  10. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/06/former_jets_joe_namath_wayne_chrebet_honor_firefighter_who_became_surrogate_dad_to_late_friends_kids.html Made me tear up, really nice story. Well done GMA and Jets.
  11. Rex the head coach, luke warm on him. Not a good game day coach, not so good on replays, does not get in players faces when they come off the field after making a bad play like my boy Parcells did. He's not a QB friendly coach, but he did hire Marty and that man is real good coordinator. That said, I was glad we kept Rex because Rex the defensive coach is excellent, top 5 in the league and right now, that's the best unit on the Jets. Rex is a smart guy, he's not his dad, so he's already cut the Super Bowl prediction crap out so if he would just focus on the game in those 60 minutes, instead of looking at the defensive chart and manage the game like our leader should, I am all in because love him or hate him, we have never ever had someone love being a Jet like Rex. If you compare Jet coaches, Rex is #3 behind Weeb and Tuna, Tuna turned this team around after two years of Kotite, anybody that does not recognize that can go suck a egg. 30 minutes from the playoffs and the whole team fumbles. DAMMMIT!!!
  12. I listened to the show last night. I have become a weekly listener and really appreciate having Jet talk in the off season. Hopefully its a a great Jet podcast during the season when it counts. I have to be honest though, the Gino vs. Vick talk last night was really silly, Debating who's more talented right now before we start tranining camp is not a fair argument? We know Vick is a better QB talent wise, the guys a proven veteran. He's played 128 games and GIno has played 16, Vick is injury prone and gets sloppy with the turnovers. I think Vick would be better coming off the bench then Gino. Gino has to show he can take the next step and clean up his game if he wants to win the job.That's what training camp is for. All this BS about an open competition between the 2 QB's is just off season noise. If one qb clearly out plays the other, he's winning the job. I for one hope Gino wins the job and looks great as does Vick and we finally, finally have a good young starter and a veteran # 2 QB capable of winning games for us .
  13. New to this site, been listening to the podcast the last few weeks. Don't know who you are pal but you have quite a reputation. I enjoy the podcast but it would be nice if you guys don't interrupt each other, its like listening to 3 Francesca's except you guys are not rude. I was going to jump off a bridge if the Jets drafted a WR in the first rd, thankfully the Giants did. Worst investment you can make in the 1st rd. They rarely make pro bowl, first season are busts and we need immediate help, 3 down starters. Well we got one alright so don't hurt yourself to much while I raise my glass to the Jets leader, my man, Johnny boy. No go get us some damm weapons boys and also, OL depth, OLB, CB's and a FREAKING PUNTER Here is a nice article about your WR's http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/explosive-draft-day-findings/5177/ Few plays are more exciting than a wide receiver hauling in a long bomb. Conversely, few decisions in football are more likely to bomb than selecting a wide receiver with a first-round draft pick. You can thank the steely nerved Pigskin Bomb Squad called the Cold, Hard Football Facts for igniting the draft-day discussion with some explosive findings. We looked at the past 10 drafts (1996-2005) and discovered that selecting a wide receiver in the first round is the single-worst decision your team can make on draft day. This recent history shows that first-round wide receivers have a shockingly high chance of bombing in the NFL. Just a handful of first-round wideouts over the past 10 years have flourished. Not only does drafting a wide receiver bode poorly for your future, it bodes poorly for your past, too: Struggling teams are more likely than good teams to seek salvation in the form of a fleet-footed wideout (Hello, Matt Millen! – pictured here with the second of his criminally negligent three consecutive first-round wideouts, Roy Williams). More often than not, all these teams find is continued failure. Interestingly – and really, this is little more than a statistical anomaly – the last five Super Bowl victors all went on to championship glory soon after losing or dumping their most recent No. 1-pick wideout. The routine failure of wide receivers is particularly shocking when you consider, as we reported last week, that they have been drafted more often in the first round than any other position over the past 10 years – 45 times to be exact. Apparently, NFL GMs and coaches continue to refute the obvious lessons of the Cold, Hard Football Facts and cling to the belief that a mesmerizing wide receiver is the key to future success. We looked back on the careers of the 45 wide receivers selected in the first round since the 1996 draft. We then placed each of them in one of five categories. You'll see in no uncertain terms that the duds far outweigh the studs. 3 of these 45 are NFL Superstars, rising above the expectations of even a first-round selection and likely to end up in the Hall of Fame. 5 are Big-Time NFL Performers, giving the solid career performance one would reasonably expect from a top pick. 14 are NFL Journeymen, decent pro performers, but not quite what teams and fans expected out of their top selection. 8 are NFL Scrubs, serviceable second- or third-tier receivers who have clearly underperformed the expectations of a first-round pick. 9 are outright Busts, barely making a dent in the big leagues. These are players who were once touted as elite NFL performers but whose names today you'd hardly recognize. 6 were drafted last year and the Cold, Hard Football Facts feel it's too early in their careers to categorize any of these players. But, as you will see, all of the first-round wide receivers selected in 2005 underperformed the expectations of a top pick in their rookie campaign. A spreadsheet highlighting the career numbers of all 45 wideouts can be found here. Put another way, 37 of the 45 first-round wide receivers selected since 1996 have failed to live up to expectations. Outright Busts, meanwhile, outnumber Superstars 3 to 1. Sure, there's some room for debate among our classifications, and some observers may move some fringe players up or down into different classifications. But all the manipulation in the world will not change the Cold, Hard Football Fact that wide receivers are a high-risk, low-reward first-round selection, with a tremendous possibility of failure. All-Pro Failures How incapable have our first-round wideouts been? Well, it would be more than reasonable for a team to assume that their big-money, first-round draft pick might make a Pro Bowl once – just once – in their career. But our 45 wide receivers defy this conventional wisdom. 34 of the 45 have failed to make a single Pro Bowl (Koren Robinson, a No. 1 pick for Seattle in 2001, made his first Pro Bowl last year as a kick returner in Minnesota. He was not included for our purposes among those who have made a Pro Bowl.) These 45 wide receivers have collectively made just 28 Pro Bowl appearances. The three Superstars on our list account for more than half (16) of those 28 appearances: Marvin Harrison (7, pictured here), Randy Moss (5) and Torry Holt (4). The 42 other wide receivers have made just 12 Pro Bowl appearances among them. Bad teams, bad decisions Besides the fact that wide receivers are likely to fail, there's another reason why their selection is a bad sign for your team. Picking a first-round wide receiver is more often than not a sign that your team sucked the previous year. Put most simply, bad teams and bad organizations tend to opt for receivers in the first round more often than good teams. Why bad teams are so thrilled by wide receivers remains a short-lived mystery we will answer next week. But suffice it to say that of the 45 wideouts selected in the first round since 1996: 22 were picked by teams with losing records the previous year 15 were picked by teams with winning records 6 were picked by teams with more than 10 wins 12 were picked by teams with more than 10 losses In recent years, teams have continued to suck the season AFTER drafting a first-round wide receiver, too. In 2005, six desperate teams selected wideouts in the first round: Five of those six teams sucked the following season (Cleveland, Minnesota, Detroit, Baltimore and Atlanta). In 2004, seven misguided teams selected wideouts in the first round: Six of those seven teams sucked the following season (Arizona, Detroit, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Tampa and San Francisco). In 2003, three foolish teams selected wideouts in the first round: All three teams sucked the following season and for years before (Detroit, Houston and Arizona). These three teams are a combined 31-65 (.323) since selecting wide receivers in the first round of the 2003 draft. And consider this: Just two teams have selected three first-round wide receivers over the past 10 years. These two teams are the worst franchises in football, Detroit and Arizona. Notice a trend? Bad teams make bad draft-day decisions. These bad decisions routinely involve wide receivers. Dump a first-rounder, win a Super Bowl Of the 45 wide receivers selected in the first round over the past 10 years, only three have won a Super Bowl: Torry Holt caught 52 passes for Super Bowl XXXIV champion St. Louis in 1999. Travis Taylor caught 28 passes for Super Bowl XXXV champion Baltimore in 2000. Keyshawn Johnson caught 76 passes for Super Bowl XXXVII champion Tampa Bay in 2002. Interestingly, teams are more likely to win a Super Bowl if they DUMP a first-round wide receiver. This year's two Super Bowl participants, Seattle and Pittsburgh, reached the big game immediately after dumping their most recent first-round wideout. Seattle's Koren Robinson, a first round pick in 2001, had been a notorious underachiever. The Seahawks released him before the 2005 season, and he signed with Minnesota. Quarterback Matt Hasselbeck went on to a career season and the team reached the first Super Bowl in franchise history. Robinson and the Vikings tanked. Pittsburgh's Plaxico Burress, a first-round pick in 2000, had also been a notorious underachiever – and a disruptive loudmouth to boot. The Steelers shipped him off to the N.Y. Giants before the 2005 season and proceeded to win their first Super Bowl in 26 years, led by the youngest Super Bowl-winning quarterback in history (Ben Roethlisberger). Burress and the Giants were shut out in a wild-card playoff loss. These are not isolated incidents. St. Louis won its first Super Bowl in 1999, the season after it unloaded Eddie Kennison, a first-round pick in 1996. Kennison has since gone on to have a decent career, but he was a notorious underachiever his first three years in the league with St. Louis, catching just 96 passes and scoring 10 TDs. (Of course, St. Louis made one of the rare great WR decisions of the past 10 years, selecting Superstar Torry Holt in the 1999 draft.) Tampa Bay won its first Super Bowl in 2002, its first year without notorious underachiever Reidel Anthony, a first-round pick in 1997. New England won its first Super Bowl in 2001, a year in which troubled 1996 first-round pick Terry Glenn was benched by coach Bill Belichick. It has since won two more Super Bowls with a receiving corps led by 2nd-round pick Deion Branch, 7th-round pick David Givens and 8th-round pick Troy Brown. The Class of 1996 The failure of first-round wide receivers is even more astonishing when you consider that many of the most successful receivers of the last 10 years came from the Class of 1996. This group included Superstar Marvin Harrison, Big-Time Performers Keyshawn Johnson and Eric Moulds, and solid Journeymen Terry Glenn and Eddie Kennison. The Class of 1996 was, far and away, the best first-round receiving corps of the past 10 years. In fact, it was one of the best in history. But this historic anomaly has been followed by abject, repeated and astonishing failure, starting with the four-man Class of 1997. This ignominious group of goats in 1997 included outright Busts Yatil Green, Reidel Anthony and Rae Carruth, who's currently serving 18 to 24.* The best of the bunch was Scrub Ike Hilliard, who has caught just 403 passes and 28 TDs in his nine-year NFL career. It's not quite what the N.Y. Giants had in mind when they selected the Florida stud with the No. 7 overall pick nine years ago. If we remove the five players from the stellar Class of 1996, we discover that 34 of the 40 first-round wide receivers selected since then have failed to live up to expectations. 2 of these 40 are NFL Superstars. 3 of these 40 are Big-Time NFL Performers. 12 of these 40 are NFL Journeymen. 8 of these 40 are NFL Scrubs. 9 of these 40 are outright Busts. 6 of these 40, the entire Class of 2005, failed to impress last season. (*For the record, we do not count injuries or off-field incidents as an excuse for being a bust. Either you live up to expectations or you don't. If wide receivers seem to get injured or wind up in trouble more often than players at other positions, it merely serves to prove our point that they are poor first-round selections.) So, the Cold, Hard Football Facts prove in no uncertain terms that wide receivers are notoriously poor first-round draft choices. After the draft, we'll tell you why they fail so frequently and show you that there's little correlation between big-name wide receivers and overall team success. In other words, we'll explain why there's little reason to select a wide receiver with a No. 1 pick.
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