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  1. 10 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

    Man our jets are off the hook. Weve had more black head coaches than anyone. And now a muslim. 



    Interesting that you associated Saleh's minority status with being Muslim.  He's an ethnic minority as an Arab American with Lebanese heritage.  He could be a Christian (like Danny Thomas, another famous Lebanese American) and would still be considered a minority.

  2. 2 hours ago, Cyberjet said:

    I beg to differ - if ZW played against a team with so many blown coverages he would have easily made those passes. There were more blown assignments by the KC defense in one night than a weeks’s worth at The Bunny Ranch

    Very fair point, but why was that.  I think what really separates JA from the rest is the power with which he runs the ball.  He can pick up 7 yards whenever he wants and when he's scrambling around defenders are bouncing off him.. This puts so much pressure on the defense and allows receivers to get wide open.  JA made a few tight window throws but most of his long completions were throws that most above average QB's make 9 out of 10 times.

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  3. 2 hours ago, Warfish said:

    I think the vast bulk of people take exactly this view.

    There are small minorities in the "NeverWilson" and "WilsonIsElite" camps.  

    Just like any topic, 70% live in the sane and rational middle, 15% live on each side of insane extremism.

    But all most hear are the 15%'ers yelling at each other.

    I don't think there anyone is claiming 'Wilson is Elite'.  However, there are some saying he is definitely a bust which does grow tiresome TBH.  But I do agree that the majority of the board is taking a very reasonable wait and see approach with some more optimistic than others

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  4. 31 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    Does PFF also provide what % of his total passes were, by their evaluation, catchable?

    Good question.  I don't know as I am not a PFF subscriber.  I got this info directly from the Narnia article.  Perhaps someone else has a subscription and can answer that, but I would assume the same criteria was used across all QB's so Wilson having the highest % was really eye opening for me.

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  5. Maynard was a great story teller too. I remember he was re-living his salary negotiations with Weeb Ewbank. He said Weeb wrote a number on a piece of paper, turned it over,  and slid it across the desk to Maynard saying something like "Now you can't go sharing that figure with everyone, it's just between you an me". Maynard turned the paper over, read the number and responded something like "Jeeezzzz Weeb don't worry about it,  I'd be just as ashamed as you to share that number with anyone else."
    RIP Don Maynard, the original Urban Cowboy.
    Agree it was great to listen to him speak of his time as a player. Whenever I see the current Jet receivers dropping pass after pass, I think of an interview where he claimed that between he and George Sauer, they went an entire season without a drop. There may be a bit of hyperbole there, but watching those two as a kid, I don't think he was far off.

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  6. Look, I don’t particularly like Bart Scott’s on air personality with his disinterested looks and his eye rolls and all that. But the man gives straight honest information on what happens out there. He knows the situation and understands all levels of the game and how/why things transpired. He got on Zach because Zach made an incredibly stupid decision. It’s not on the coaches or anyone else but him. QB sneak on 4th and 2 is not an option. Any dummy in the stands knows this, you’d think the kid being paid millions to lead the team would know it as well. Instead you have stupid fans stupid sh*t like “if he shouldn’t have run the sneak then the coaches should have told him that”. It’s such basic common sense that no coach there (except LaFleur who apparently said twice in the kids headset “handoff, handoff) even thought they’d have to mention it to the kid, just like they probably assume they don’t have to tell the kid to get dressed in the morning. Zach sneaking that play only comes to one of two conclusions-he’s incredibly stupid or he’s incredibly selfish. That’s Bart’s point

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    Where was it reported that LeFleur said handoff, handoff prior to the snap?

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  7. 1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

    Anyone hear Saleh on with Kay a little while ago? His explanation continues to be a mess. He starts out by saying it’s all his fault (good!), then rehashes the play, says that Zach made the textbook read of the call and technically did what he was supposed to do according to the letter of the law, AND, they’ve run that play before and Zach has made the other call (handing it off) and was “corrected” by the coaches for not following the book. It sounds like he wishes Zach read their minds and gave it to Berrios which is weird. Just get the story straight, Bob. He also says that he feels like he/they won the game, which is stupid. 

    Not sure why this came off as a mess.  Seems like Wilson did what the coaches have been drilling into him.  Only problem is that the coaches didn't give him a 'never mind what we told you before, this time forget the sneak'  Saleh obviously regrets the miscommunication because it would've been a touchdown

    As Zach matures, he'll hopefully overcome coaching gaffes like this

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  8. 1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

    Having the room to put your shoulder between Shue and McClendon isn't  open, at least not to me. I also heard Saleh and apparently Zach ran the play as it was written but he audibles out of what was called which was an option if he van pick up the needed distance which in this case was almost 2 yards. I think from everything I ha e heard, the correct play was called and Zach should not have changed it because there was nothing that said the Jet Sweep would fail. 

    I might be wrong, but my impression was not that he audibled out.  Based on Saleh's comments it seemed more like an RPO where he had the option to keep it or hand off based on what he saw in the A gap.  And the A gap definitely looked open - see Cimini tweet.  In the end, it was a mistake by Zach that the coaching staff could have prevented from even being a possibility so that's why I think the majority of blame lies there.


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  9. First off from what I saw, the A gap was not open. They had that covered. Regardless, Zach should be running what is called unless he is sure it won't succeed.  
    1. Multiple tweets from reporters have confirmed that from the end zone view the A gap was open
    2. Saleh said Zach ran the play AS DESIGNED which means if he sees the A gap is open, sneak the ball, otherwise hand off
    3. Mistake - as Esiason also mentioned - was not telling Zach to hand off no matter what the A gap looked like
    4. The A gap closed quickly so seems like Zach got baited into the sneak......hence why point 3 was the critical error here

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  10. 10 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

    If Zach is developing then great.  If we're winning with a 103 yard KR and a QB run where the D gave up on the play then it doesn't mean anything to me.  

    But that's what you're missing.  He is developing and yesterday was another step forward.  Is he where we would like him to be, no, but a win along with an improving ZW is a very good outcome.  TL had (maybe) the better stats, but he had all the time in the world to throw the ball.  Also noticed what some analysts have pointed out about TL having a long throwing motion that gives DB's extra time to make a play.  While Zach needs to clean up his mechanics and make decisions quicker, his throwing motion is very compact and the ball comes out with plenty of zip.  Overall Zach outplayed the generational talent,

  11. It's very hard to assess blame for sacks just from watching the games live or from these isolated clips.  There are however a number of analysts out there who break down Jets film to an excruciating level of detail (like the guy who did the 42 minute video that has been referenced in this thread).  One of these, Michael Narnia, does a regular breakdown of every Zach Wilson throw and IMO offers a very balanced critique.  Regarding the sacks in the Dolphins game:


    'This was the worst job the Jets have done of supporting a quarterback this year, and it is not even remotely close.

    Of the six sacks Wilson took, I thought he had almost zero chance of avoiding five of them. On one, Wilson should have handed the ball off on an RPO (run-pass option), but he kept it and had no passing option, so he scrambled and took a mere one-yard loss. That was the only one on him.

    Left tackle Conor McDermott and running back Michael Carter were particularly terrible in protection. One or both contributed to four of the six sacks.'


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  12. Obviously Sam played poorly but I don't get how he can be considered a 'bust' on the one hand but on the other hand believe that he will probably be successful if he gets traded to the Steelers or another team with good coaching.  That doesn't sound like a bust of a player, but really a bust of an organization. 

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  13. Also having seen just about every game of both players, Klecko was the better and more impactful player which is not meant to take anything away from Gastineau who was a terrific pass rusher.  Would love to have a player of Gastineau's ability on today's Jets, but Klecko at his peak was really special.  The recent player that reminded me of him was the 2008 version of Kris Jenkins who was almost impossible to block one on one.  Only knock on Klecko was that he was often injured, most times playing  through the injuries, but they did take a toll on him and his prime was not as long as it was for some of his peers

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