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  1. I agree, although I think Tannehill is a better QB than Sanchez. The issue with Sanchez was that he didn't have quite the good physical tools, but a lot of folks assumed the "pro style offense" at USC prepared him for the NFL better, when it really wasn't the case. However, they both hesitate in throwing guys open and the indecisiveness cost them in the end.
  2. Tannehill was extended the year before Gase was hired. Tannehill signed his extension in 2015, while Gase was hired in 2016, so he didn't extend him.
  3. Prior to the Gase hire, I wanted to bring in Parker. I was very high on Parker when he came out in the draft, thought he has AJ Green lite potential, but it never materialized. I'm not sure anymore, because something was up in Miami between Parker/Dolphins. He seemed to either not get along with Gase or the teammates because he didn't stand out much at all. On Gase: He was the wide receivers coach for Denver: 2008: Brandon Marshall had a 100 catch season Jabbar Gaffeney had a major improvement after leaving the Pats Eddie Royal was drafted Brandon Lloyd was also picked up 2009: Marshall was gone Demarius Thomas was drafted Royal became much better Brandon Lloyd has 1400 yards Gaffney had his best season Eric Decker was drafted So in those two seasons, they found a useful receiver in Gaffney, got a great year out of Lloyd, and drafted Royal, Thomas, Decker. So he's shown the ability to develop the receiver position. I'm just not sure why Parker didn't develop at all.
  4. He was always tentative as a decision maker, and played to "not make a mistake" and I don't think it's ever really been corrected. It's one of the reasons why I'm not as worried about Sam's interceptions from this year, because some of that comes with risk, but you have to take those shots when you don't have studs creating separation on each throw.
  5. Tannehill is weird, because he has the talent. If you are going on pure athletic ability, I think he's on par with Deshaun Watson. He can do everything Watson does, but the problem is that he doesn't make the correct reads, and almost decides beforehand where the pass must go. There were plenty of times where he had the options, and he just didn't see it or hesitated to the point the play didn't develop. This now becomes an egg or the chicken question. Does Tannehill's lack of progression fall on Gase? Does Gase's lack of success fall on Tannehill? I'm not bothered with 2017, because fat Cutler off the bench isn't going to win anywhere. To me, without Tannehill progressing to read defenses at a good level, they couldn't overcome it. There are guys that aren't good with reading defenses (Tribusky is one) that still do well because they match their personnel well. In Chicago's case, they had Cohen, Robinson, Miller, and the ability to play with a lead. The Fins got post Pats Amendola, Stills, Wilson (who promptly got hurt) Drake/Gore, and Parker. It didn't quite match up. It'll be interesting to see how they develop, because Sam has some qualities that Tannehill lacked. It's paramount they set him up with better weapons though. It also stems from the offensive philosophy being limited by injuries. Tannehill has his strengths/weaknesses. The backup (Moore) has his as well. However, the problem is that you can't really mesh one strength with another. For example, Moore has no real arm strength, but he's better at reading defenses. So your gameplan has to go with more intermediate routes, where Tannehill can deal with more routes that run deep. So the injury and change to game plans hurt because you can't go for the strengths of each guy separately, since there isn't time. Thanks Thanks. It should, although maybe in a bit, I have some concerns about the receivers. Parker not developing really bothers me, because I was very high on him, and he's shown flashes. Some of the route combinations puzzled me, because they seemed like 3/4 individual routes, than a combination of routes. For example, there would be a go route to the outside, and out route on the same side. On the other side, it'd be a curl and out route combination, when the middle of the field would be wide open in such a situation. I don't think he had a choice in the matter. The dead money hit if you dropped him would be massive once he was already extended. Heck, they can't really even cut him now without getting a $13 million hit in dead money, and they barely have cap space. The problem really is that team is heading for a rebuild and I don't think he wanted to stick around. That team might need a good RB, maybe 2 good receivers (assuming Parker and maybe Amendola are cut), and offensive line, resign/replace Wake, decide on Quinn, and possibly find a RT and they start out with $13 million in cap space. That's getting awfully close to tear down, especially if Tannehill is not the guy, and they need to find a QB. I just don't think he wanted to stay for a rebuild because this was going to be another losing season, at which point he would have been fired anyway. It probably (and this is my guess) went down as if he asked for an extension to outlast the rebuild, and got rejected. He couldn't, not with that contract. I heard some rumblings they were hard after Rosen last year, but didn't trade up. I think it's hard because that contract can't be swallowed when they are up against the cap like that. Tannehill had all the physical tools, he just couldn't put it together on the mental aspect. The injury history doesn't help for sure, but mostly it's the late conversion. Someone like Darnold/Mayfield can sense guys being open, while Tannehill waits that extra second. I never heard about Mayfield, I heard about Rosen though, albeit they never did anything to trade up. Thanks. And their best receiver, Wilson, missed the second half of the season as well. While I think playoffs is way too premature now, next season really depends on the talent around Darnold. If they can get another weapon at receiver and a good running back, while drafting OL, I think the offense can really take off. The team definitely needs to upgrade some positions, especially WR1, RB, and pretty much everywhere on the OL. Tannehill suffers from an inability to read complex defenses. If there is an open guy, he can hit him, and it'll look pretty. But when he has to anticipate based on what the defense adjusts to post-snap, he holds onto the ball too long to see what develops and that limits him. I actually have to say, it's a testament to his physical abilities that he's been decent in the NFL because I think he has the ability. He just can't make that mental jump. They also had to deal with a terrible OL too, albeit he faces the same issue here. Thanks. The rankings are bad for sure, but I think a good amount of the blame can also be attributed to Tannehill. Yeah the contract really killed any shot at a change, too much invested.
  6. I do think it prevents them from attracting some problem players, but that may or may not be a bad thing. From what I heard (obviously after the hire and by reporters so take it with a grain of salt) Gase demands effort, and disengaged from Ajayi, Landry, Suh because those guys weren't putting in effort for game preparation. I think this obviously hurts someone like Brown being brought in, because apparently he's a diva in practice. I think there is less chance of the "oh I can turn him around" stories we saw with Rex. I think for rehab guys, they will focus on guys that have issues outside of the NFL, like drug issues, domestic violence and less towards the on field divas like Santonio Holmes of the past. I don't know about Bell but I think AB doesn't have a shot here with Gase unless it's forced on him. I think someone like Hunt/Clark are in play. It'll be interesting as to how they go about the draft. I thought they legitimately wanted a shot at Rosen last year, but didn't make the move. I'm wondering if his diva attitude played a reason.
  7. Yeah, usually they trash the Jets but it's nice to see them be complimentary. I think the NY media is an embarrassment, because they have a ton of hot takes to rile people up for ratings and that's why there is such a negative vibe to the hire. I guarantee, if we signed any of the following narratives: Kingsbury: What a joke, fired at TT. Jets always a dumpster fire. Rhule: College coach, no outstanding offense ability. McCarthy: The game has passed him by, only the Jets would pay for his retirement. Jim Harbough: Couldn't beat OSU, couldn't win Super Bowl and hot head. Only the Jets! John Harbough: A smart organization like Baltimore let's him go, something is up, Jets suckers again.
  8. win4ever

    East-West Shrine Game

    Brett Rypien: I've been high on this kid for two years, and he seems like an excellent back up QB option. I love his mechanics/arm. All of the OL prospects. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app
  9. I think the issue with us, at least dealt with horrible coaching combined with an adjustment period for Darnold. He wasn't on the same page with Anderson at the start of the year, and clearly favored Enunwa. Darnold seemed much better after sitting, but by then it was too late to do anything with the season. Although I don't think it can be stressed enough how bad of a coach Bowles was here. I'm not saying Gase is a stud coach, but pretty much one of "Ask the Audience" polls that used to be on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" would be more successful than Bowles.
  10. win4ever

    2019 WR watch

    I think after Metcalf, I'm going to jump on the Harmon train. He's consistently getting separation, can high point the ball well, and seems to run good routes. Watching him, reminds me a decent amount of Diggs.
  11. I'm obviously not that into WalterFootball, I think it's an over-rated site. And, they gave the Bowles hiring in Tampa an A as well, which really hurts the credibility lol. Aside from that, I don't think it's a bad hire. It's a little bit like the draft with the Knicks/Jets now where anyone picked has to be booed. Any coach hired has to be a failure at first, and then go from there. The move makes sense in some ways because it does focus on the offense, and Gase is much more of a no-nonsense guy than Bowles. 2 HUGE necessities pretty much every fan thought we needed. I preferred Kingsbury, but I don't think Gase is this horrible hire that will never thrive. I spent a bit of time looking at Dolphins tape this year just to see the system. My thoughts: - The "system" itself is nothing magical, and definitely has some flaws. It suffers a bit from Shoetenheimer-ism where it almost tries too hard to be complicated. A few times (in 2 games that I looked at), the receivers route concept didn't make sense to me. There was one play, where they ran play action, against a linebacker in the A gap (and another linebacker close by). The linebacker bit, but there weren't any routes behind them to take advantage of it. The routes all went long or outside. I don't understand why there is play action up the middle, when the perceived reaction you want (linebackers to step up) doesn't have any benefit. - A major part of the problem is Tannehill doesn't process the field nearly as quick as a veteran QB, nor does he make the right reads. On a 3 and 11 or 12 against the Pats, they run a bubble screen to Albert Wilson, but I have no idea why. They motion a TE to protect the backside, but I don't understand why they would need extra protection on a quick bubble screen. It's clearly a play where they were supposed to pick the other side, which had a one on one match-up, but Tannehill picked this particular call, even though it didn't make sense. 2 receivers to the side vs. 2 corner backs, plus a safety before the first down marker, and a linebacker to the inside. I'm not quite sure why Tannehill expected a better outcome than the 5 yards gained. On other occasions, you see him make the wrong read and miss wide open opportunities. -The talent level for the Dolphins is atrocious. Kenny Stills was essentially Robby Anderson, but the QBs missed deep throws constantly (as we saw them miss against the Jets). Amendola is clearly on the downside, and Parker was just absent most of the year. I'm not sure why. Wilson looked really good at times, but he had his injury. This is not a team that you put an average QB on, and assume they are a playoff team. I've read that they are basically tanking the 2019 season at this point, and it makes sense. They aren't going to compete with this roster, so it's hard to judge Gase the coach on it. Judge Gase the GM, because some of these moves did not pan out.
  12. win4ever

    Simms on Gase and Bart on Bowles

    He's just an abysmal coach. I know a lot of folks give him a hard time for his stoic nature, but it's really his inability to actually coach that bothers me. One example: Competition. Everything is competition. This works fine as a positional coach at DBs because you want players to have a chance. You want them to excel at covering, because defense itself is reactive, especially for DBs, You essentially cover a receiver (or an area) and you react to the offense. He put that same idea to everything when it came over, and it doesn't make sense. For example, he had the whole competition thing with Geno/Fitz when he first showed up. The problem is that the offense is different for both of those players. Fitzpatrick and Geno can both run basic forms of the same offense, but they have different strengths/weaknesses. Fitzpatrick was a read at the line QB, who rarely got away from his first read. His strength was that he could read the defense at the line well, his weakness was that if his read was wrong, he was screwed. Combine that with low arm strength. Geno wasn't adept at reading at the line, but he had better physical tools. So for Fitzpatrick, you give him a basic set at the line of scrimmage, and you let him audible based on what he's seeing. For Geno (or any young QB), you layer options into your play call, so if the defense fools you with one look, there is a secondary option that should work against such defense. For example, a crossing route to beat man coverage, and a curl route to beat zone cover behind it, so the QB can read the coverage as play develops and have built in options. Instead, the Jets spent far too much time on a non existent competition at QB, when they really need to implement a system that is catered to the QB. It ties into the larger point in that, there isn't anything that helps players develop based on scheme. It's essentially, this is the scheme, play in it. So it's natural that many players won't reach their potential, because at some point physical and mental skills plateau. He doesn't understand that he has to adjust to player weaknesses/strengths partially because that Arizona defense was a pre-made monster before he even arrived. In the video, they talk about the lack of adjustments, but it's pretty clear on game film that they just don't learn. Rarely any adjustments. I agree, I can't think of many players that exceeded expectations under him. More people deteriorated under him than anything. Wilkerson (quite possibly the poster boy for being a leader under Rex) completely mailed it in after Bowles showed up. Revis essentially did whatever, I have no idea what he was doing half the time, because it seemed contrary to what the rest of the defense was playing. Sheldon fell apart. It was an abject failure. I think there has been plenty of fodder about how Arizona was a top defense before he arrived, and didn't miss a beat after he left as well. He was the Defensive coordinator/secondary coach in Philly in 2012: In 2011, the Philly defense was ranked 11th overall (same as 2010) with 10th against the pass in Football Outsiders. In 2012, AFTER they went on a spending spree, the defense was ranked 26th overall, and 32nd (dead last) against the pass. in 2013, after they hired Chip Kelly (noted for terrible defenses) the defense improved to 23rd overall, and 25th against the pass. Bowles was the secondary coach in Miami from 2008 to 2011: The pass rankings for Miami from Football Outsiders: 2005: 15th 2006: 12th 2007: 28th 2008: 15th 2009: 13th 2010: 22nd 2011: 13th 2012: 17th 2013: 12th 2014: 16th All that averages out to 16.3 over 10 years. Bowles years: 15.75 over 4 years. So basically the same pass defense rankings. He just doesn't add anything to a team.
  13. win4ever

    Simms on Gase and Bart on Bowles

    Bowles might be one of the worst head coaching hires I can think of in the recent past. What exactly was his redeeming quality? Defensive Genius? Defense was bad all throughout, even though we continued to invest high picks and money into that side of the field. Leader? Locker room disaster. At least with Rex, the team would run through a wall for him, even if that didn't help them win games. Coach? Who did he really develop? We paid $10 million to McCown so Darnold didn't have to listen to the idiots employed by Bowles. Attention to detail? Time out issues, penalties, lack of discipline, throughly out coached in most games. Film genius? News about how team wasn't prepared to play the back up QB in multiple games. Lack of adjustments, lack of innovation. Teacher? Kacy Rogers made horrible call after horrible call, yet not once did Bowles get him to correct the ship. Locker room glue? Fitzpatrick blasted the guy for being benched....after throwing like 6 interceptions in a game where the defense dropped 4 more. Shows no locker room respect, yet he put him back in. A good coach uses that opportunity to cut an insignificant player like Fitzpatrick to set an example, yet he did the complete opposite. I honestly can't think of one good quality. He reminds me of a subpar substitute teacher in over his head. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app
  14. Manish reminds me of old Madden games, back in the day. I would field punts and then run backwards to the 1 yard line, so I could rack up 99 yard drives in career mode and make ridiculous stats. Manish went as far as he could to get the fan base to hate him, and now he's trying to win them back one yard at a time by being reasonable. I thought he presented a good case. The issue with Gase is really his lack of tangible production in Chicago with Tannehill. One thing that I did miss on (and I heard this on some podcast, not sure where) was the discipline. How Gase wasn't afraid to get rid of stars (Ajayi/Landry/Suh) when they weren't being good examples as leaders. I don't know much about Ajayi (apparently he was being disruptive), but from Hard Knocks, we all know Landry is an idiot and about as annoying as you can get. That's something I appreciate, because that was one of my biggest issues with Bowles, the lack of accountability. He was essentially powerless in the locker room, and I thought it really derailed the team from the start. But saying this hire is better than Bowles is not that earth shattering, I like this hire, I don't love it. I've been preaching Kingsbury for a long time, but I definitely see the vision here. One thing that seems to be a theme with Gase is his dedication to film review, and I think that's extremely important to pass on to Darnold. I liked his adaptobility, because he was presented with different challenges as OC, with different personnel. - Denver: He increased passing attempts, lowered rushing attempts because that team was loaded for passing. Thomas/Decker/Welker/Thomas is better than Moreno, so he increased passing attempts from previous year, lowered rushing. The Yards/Play increased from 5.8 in 2012 to 6.4 and then 6.0 the next two years, then catered to 5.4 the year he left. To me at least that shows an ability to take advantage of personnel. -Bears: The Y/P went from 5.2 the previous year to 5,4, and then went to 5.9 the year after Gase left. On the surface, this doesn't seem positive, but that 2015 season was a transition year for the Bears. They lost Brandon Marshall, and Alshon Jeffery only played half the games, and Matt Forte was basically done as the bell cow back. So the offense went from Brandon Marshall (who as we know was still good back then), Alshon Jeffery, and a good Matt Forte to no Marshall, half a season of injured Jeffery, and a declining Forte. It's not a complete transformation, but it's positive that they took it in the right direction there. Dolphins: Ryan Tannehill from 2016 - 2018: 5.4 TD%, 3.2 INT%, 93.2 Rating, 7.5 Y/A, 11.4 Y/Completion, 65.9% completion, .541 winning percentage Player A from 2016 - 2018 5.9 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 97.6 Rating, 7.5 Y/A, 11.4 Y/Completion, 65.5 completion, .580 winning percentage. Who is Player A? Andrew Luck, and both missed 2017. I'm not saying those stats make Tannehill out to be even in the same as Luck, but those stats are closer than what you'd imagine. I think what killed Gase in Miami is 2017, when Cutler basically got off the couch and came to play unprepared. To me he's shown an ability to adapt to different personnel and still be somewhat successful. Denver with passing options galore, Chicago with basically no weapons, and then the more bubble screens in Miami. I'm not thrilled with the hire, but I do think it has potential.

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