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  1. 47 minutes ago, slats said:

    Joe Douglas shows up here and the biggest contracts on the roster are an unavailable inside LB, a past his prime RB, a broken WR, and a terrible CB. His draft assets include a promising QB prospect to go a long with a couple DTs and a safety - and the jury remains out on the QB. C.J. Mosley has played a half of football for the Jets for which he's already been paid $29M and has another $14M fully guaranteed on the way. Le'Veon Bell has been crap here, and now he's on the IR now, too. 

    The OL? Garbage. WRs and CBs? Garbage. Pass rush? Non-existent. 

    Douglas unceremoniously unloaded Trumaine Johnson (who still counts $4M against this year's cap). He got a third and a fifth for Leonard Williams. He'll probably dump Bell the way he dropped TJ, and he'll have a decision to make on Mosley. 

    People continuing to whine about Da Prez are out of their minds. This trade was always going to be a net negative for 2020. This year, the Jets got Bradley McDougald for an over-hyped all pro. That's a downgrade, yeah. But next year, Seattle gives the Jets 1st & 3rd round picks and the Jets give them nothing. The following year the Jets send Seattle a 4th round pick in exchange for another 1st. This was a fantastic trade for the long term health of this team. I understand the frustration that fans are feeling this year but if you want to see the team built right, that's going to take some time. 

    The fact is that there are still a lot of questions regarding the head coach and the quarterback, and the answers are tough to figure out without an off season program, a preseason, and what still amounts to a crappy roster. They're not going to knee-jerk it like the fans and fire the coach week two. They're going to let it play out with Sam in the same system two years in a row for the first time ever.

    What I see is Joe Douglas hedging his bets this year. He's going to be in better position to improve the team than maybe every other GM in the league next year - especially if the cap takes a big covid hit. He'll be in position to build around Gase and Darnold if that's what he wants, or he'll have enough assets available to attract a new head coach and bring in another QB if that's the direction he decides to go in. This was always going to take time, and this year was always going to be a lengthy evaluation process. 

    Excellent post. I would add that early returns show that there is a better than good chance we have our LT set (injury aside) for the long term and our DT from the previous regime (Quinenn) has had a better than average start to only his second season. As far as the QB goes, I dont think he is going anywhere soon, even if we get the #1 pick. He is still quit young (second among starting Qbs) has shown that he can be successful in small sample sizes, had to overcome mono and then covid training camp without preseason. His TD pass in garbage time shows his athletic ability. Many dropped passes by guys who are not starting caliber Wrs and cant get separation. Honestly, what can Darnald do?.   . Our OLINE looks significantly better than last year and we are only two games in. I am sure we will continue to build on this unit. Mims really hurts right now.. Bigger than what most expected. I believe if he were playing and shown any signs of having chemistry with Darnald there would be hope. Mims being hurt makes our Wrs corp really look like a helpless unit. Week 2's Wrs, (minus Perriman) you can make an argument that most to all could be replaced next season. (Maybe Vyncent Smith when healthy and Berrios hang on) . I agree, be patient, Rome not built in a day, and if you allow yourself, we are not as bad as being portrayed.

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  2. I love it. He will be someone else's problem. Clowney is a former number one over all pick, that's it. You coldnt describe a bum any more clearer.  Not advertised as a hard worker. get to the QB consistently and leads the NFL in penalties for the past several years.We finaly have a GM that wont back up the Brinks Trunk for a name only. And I am most excited about it. 

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  3. Brick was a stud. Not sure you could ask for anything more. Above average, pro bowler, started  every game, missed one play in his entire career. Long Island kid and the son of public school teachers who represented himself, the Jets, and Long Island with the utmost class and dignity.  In his post career he continues to give back to the Long Island community. Yeah, anyone should take that type of person and player. 

  4. 4 minutes ago, jetlaw said:

    Then make a play for Clowney. 2 years 30 mil

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     Clowney lead the entire NFL last year in penalties and missed 3 games. That's more penalties than the top penalty offender on the OLINE. Lead the NFL in penalties the 2 prior seasons from last other than Oline-men. With only 3 sacks last year and his top year at 9 1/2 I dont think he is on the Jets radar. Just my opinion. 

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  5. 3 minutes ago, Mogglez said:


    The clown literally can't help himself.

    Winters would be the ideal back up and I hope they resign him for less. Worked really hard to get where he is and played through major pain. On a side note: Did this really happen? I am so glad we traded Adams. 

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  6. On 5/17/2020 at 8:19 AM, Sperm Edwards said:


    “Here’s an idea for a new logo! Ready? We’ll write the name of the team in italicized block letters like before! Shorten the height of the “J” so people will know we changed it around a little. Instead of the NY over it we’ll write NEW YORK in smaller letters above it. Oh and of course an icon of a football partly covering team name, so people know what sport we’re playing when the product on the field calls that into question, even though it’s doubly redundant since the green background area is (sort of) football shaped in the first place.”

    They really couldn’t find a creative graphic artist in a metro area that has like 15 million people? Nah, Nike will come up with something for us: a flat triangle (which we’ll put on the uniform but not on the logo anyway).

    It’s not like there was some uphill battle making the team’s name look “tough” (which they instead weakly tried to accomplish by being 10-20 years late on their black uniform thing for the alternate). Cardinals, ravens, dolphins, saints — these nonaggressive/unimposing (if not outright wimpy) things provide a lot less to work with than the jets who can go with a freaking war machine of sorts. A fighter jet with an NY on/below it, with a distinctive font (even the existing font is so basic, but I could get past that if it was part of a logo instead of basic block lettering effectively being the logo).

    Or even just something creative that draws upon pride in being in (ok, near) the biggest metropolis in the country. Or come up with a more distinct styling to the letters that really makes it their own: the unique NY logos used by the Yankees, Mets, and Giants; the 49ers’ SF logo; KC putting theirs on an arrowhead. Even the Rams made a freaking effort, though it’s awful and unlike “NY” that has only one association, LA is also the abbreviation for Louisiana, and frankly I just see the word “Laaaaa!” myself lol. I liked their basic rams horns one. Not my favorite, but it was instantly identifiable and it was theirs. At least the new one is an attempt at an actual logo/icon; imagine if it was just a rounded football-ish shape that plainly said LOS ANGELES RAMS on it. That’s the Jets’ logo.

    It’s so lazy and uninspiring - after making such a big deal about the secret unveiling for so long - that yes the only thing that will make it not-awful (or less awful) is associating it with winning superbowls. 

    100% spot on SE. Im not surprised at the ranking of our disgusting uniforms. I was very vocal in my initial and continued disappointment in our new uniforms. Our uniforms are awful. Triangular slash marks instead of stripes? The black uniforms are so out dated and not our colors.  The helmet and logo is putrid. A middle school student doodling could have come up with something more creative than the word "JETS" stamped across a green helmet. The image of the tiny football is beyond juvenile. Opportunity wasted. What a shame. Could have finally created an identity of our own but instead we continue to look less than our big brother Giants. Its boarder line criminal that we didnt seize this opportunity considering our "little brother/having to share GIANTS stadium" status. Truely absurd. I am far from a design expert but couldnt we have used a version of the NY symbol with the New York City skyline behind it? Our own version of the NY symbol that somehow is the base of a Fighter JET? It seems like such a no brainer that this was the opportunity to create an identity after years of being little brother to the Giants and the continued nomadic feel of playing in a stadium that is not ours. What an opportunity missed. It's difficult to believe that ownership couldn't realize this from purely a selfish marketing stand point. Absurd

  7. 6 hours ago, sackdance said:

    Yes. I think the game is called football.

    Maybe my point is unclear. I dont think players will agree to play so easily with so much to lose (health wise). Players making a million dollars a year are going to willingly agree to tackle a player from NY who may be a carrier of the virus? Then comfortably go home to to hug  wife, small child, elderly parent? Losing the paycheck speaks volume but  Im still not so sure if most will be on board.

  8. Great topic Lil O. I have been thinking along the same lines. Are we really expecting players who are financially set to agree to make contact and tackle (most likely sweat) another player? I want to see football as much as anyone, i just don't see how this doesnt become a major issue. 

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  9. 4 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

    I mean we just drafted a replacement. I think the common consensus was Davis meant either Adams or Maye were on their way out. 

    If it were for a WR or OL around the same level then I think it's a pretty decent trade off. May explain why we didn't double down at WR.

    I can understand the initial concern that only one Wr was drafted however Lawrence Cager and George Cambell  are two undrafted fee agents we signed look real encouraging. Both were expected to be drafted so I don't think we are as bad off as some are stating 

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  10. 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

    Many of us wanted that "size" guy somewhere late in the Draft.  I thought it would be Donovan Peoples-Jones or AGG.....Cager looks like a nice consolation prize and not having to use a pick on him is even better.

    Surprising this player was not drafted. Size, speed, played at a high level, productive (when healthy). Even with the injuries you'd think a team would have burned a late round draft pick on him. Good for us. Im thinking the chances of Cager sticking on the roster or practice squad is  better than most undrafted free agents ( Unless Im missing something)

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  11. Awesome take Jetstream , I’m not surprised.

    Honestly I think Joe Douglas is had a very good day, not good, very good. I, like you, wished we took at least one more drafted Wr and it would have been great in my opinion

    And that’s the thing, “in my opinion,”  I’m not Joe Douglas and feel confident that he passed on players for a good reason that I thought were no brainers at the time. 

    With that said, I did not agree with a few pics. Didn’t understand the the QB pick until I read that the Patriots possibly wanted him and we do not have the cap space for what we want to do with priding FAs and sign a back up veteran QBs. Did I scratch my head (putting that lightly) when we took a safety? Yes. Did I do the same when we took Zuniga? Hell yeah. I was like Josh Jones! Ezra Cleveland!  Henessy! Cushenberry!! Gandy Golden!! Peoples Jones!!! The Prince!!! Then we take a Qb? What!?? A punter??? WTF!?? Then I took a breathe, read up on some of the reasoning behind the picks (like Ashtyn Davis an athletic freak projected to go late first round/ like the punter who is the best prospect in years and we now don’t have to resign the one we have and can use that money elsewhere ).

    But again, who am I? Douglas knows best. What sold me was the trade down in round two and still getting Mims. Douglas’s skill, balls, luck, brilliance , whatever, even if Mims fails, it was an area of need and he did not panic and gained valuable picks for a team that needs and overhaul of players.

    Secondly, and this really solidified it for me was the trade down of the last 3d we gained from the previous  trade mentioned, to trade with Bellicheck and gain two 4ths and a 6 next year.

    Trading with Bellicheck!!!? On draft day!??? So much pressure to get it right. A lesser GM would have played it safe and not want to get involved. Not Noe Douglas! Just wow! The balls on the first year GM!

    I am total fine with it because I do not know more than Joe Douglas (or any NFL scout/executive) BUT the difference is that I have confidence after what Douglas did to maneuver during this draft.  After seeing how he controlled  the draft and gained 10 players plus some real interesting undrafted free agents I feel real good about this .

    Statistically all of these players and moves will most likely not pan out.  But I feel real confident moving forward with Douglas as GM.  You gotta love what you saw from Douglas over the past few days. 

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  12. I’m sure that Douglas knew they are close. I don’t know how I feel about this. One hand you would think good because they should have a little more positive chemistry and push each other like what is claimed. On the other hand I just hope it doesn’t go down the path of drafting the friend of the high first round pick to make him happy. This usually doesn’t bode well. Didnt we do the same for  Mark Sanchez and waist a draft pick taking his friend Scott McKnigt (?) 

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  13. 4 hours ago, Irish Jet said:


    Mims was a steal. Preferred him to Pittman and Hamler. Exactly what we're looking for at WR. 

    Davis is a really good player, maybe the best value pick in terms of where we got him but not a need. How we deal with Adams/Maye will effect my thoughts on the pick. Can't say I was delighted. Bonus points for f*cking with the Dolphins. 

    Zuniga looks a great athlete, think Williams will like him. Looks a solid player at a weak position. Still would have preferred an offensive guy. 

    Curious, howvdid we f with the Dolphins? 

  14. Terrible job by Wingo and ESPN but are anyone of us surprised? Possibly ruining  this kids once in a lifetime moment with a snarky drug comment and the kid has no connections to doing drugs himself? On top of that his father has a drug problem? Blatantly trying to be hurtful. Truly awful. How selfish to make a comment like that!!? Horrible  look for Wingio and ESPN. How dare they try and ruin his moment for a cheap laugh at a young kids expense dealing with such a sad subject Like drug use? Stupidity. Typical frat house comment mentality that has ruined  Espn over the past several years. Very disappointed but I’m not surprised. 

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  15. 36 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

    Quantity > Quality in Year 1 of his rebuild.  There's a theme here.  It started in FA and now it continues into the Draft.  Did we break the bank in FA on Conklin or Glasgow for the OLine, how about Dante Fowler at Edge or Byron Jones at CB?  Nope.

    Joe said, "I'll take Brian Poole for $5M.  Give me Greg Van Roten for $3.5M.  Oh, CB....how about Pierre Desir for $3.75M.  Edge...I'll bring back Jordan Jenkins for $5M."

    It's the SAME THING in the Draft.  He immediately addresses the two biggest needs on offense with LT (Becton) and WR (Mims).  Now, it's #TradeDownCity.  Joe doesn't want 2 or 3 great players.  He wants 7 good ones.  This is a bottoms-up roster rebuild.  This is fiscal management in picking his horse at Safety (Extend Jamal (probably), replace Marcus Maye with Davis in Round 3) after Maccagnan inexplicably drafted back-to-back Safeties (a decision that cost $13M last year for Le’Veon Bell because Macc left Dalvin Cook on the board for Maye 3 years ago).

    And now we see Joe D. turn the most important 3rd Round the Jets have had in years into a loaded 4th round. Tune it up on Saturday!  Joe is coming in hot at 120, 125, and 129 tomorrow for the most important 4th round the Jets have had in a decade.

    CB, OG, WR, TE???   Who knows....but LOTS of interesting names out there at all those positions.

    Who have the Jets taken in Round 4 in previous years?  How about guys like TE Chris Herndon, RB Bilal Powell, WR/KR Brad Smith, S Kerry Rhodes, WR Jerricho Cotchery, LT Jason Fabini.

    Joe got his LT without trading up in Round 1.  He got his WR while trading down in Round 2.  I'm trusting this guy to unlock value in the Draft so far.  He seems to know how to get the guys he wants in the spots he wants to get them.  Ya Gotta Believe!

    See ya tomorrow!


    This post has got me even more pumped for tomorrow! Still much value to be had . Joe Douglas is a beast on his first draft ! The balls to trade down and get Mims and then trade down again with of all people Bill Bellicheck. Trading with the Patriots knowing how critical our can base is? Wow! Can’t say Joe Douglas is afraid. Came out strong with  no fear. Gotta love it ! 

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  16. 1 hour ago, David Harris said:

    Competent management.  Haven't had that before.  I TRUST our GM for the first time.

    I feel the same way. There is an adult driving the bus now. But the real work (in the draft) starts tonight. You or I could have chosen Bechton. Tonight Joe Douglas earns his money. I have confidence for the first time in awhile. 

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