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  1. 42 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

    Lawrence is 2 years younger than Sam first of all. Secondly, the Jets would be resetting the QB clock from a contract perspective giving them 5 years to correctly rebuild around a QB prospect (at least we got the LT in place already). Third, Sam hasn’t really looked ALL that great. Yes he has shown flashes. Yes he has a terrible supporting cast/head coach. But if Lawrence turns out to be Peyton Manning the 2nd and Sam is just average for the rest of his career it’d be a fatal mistake to pass him up. It’s a no brainer to take Trevor 

    I am mistaken, Lawrence is 21 Sam 23. But with the same thought process, if sam is even slightly above average and we can set this franchise up for ten years of playoff caliber talent for what the #1 pick can get us it would also be a fatal mistake. I have seen Sam be average to games/ plays where he is slightly above average. There is a very good chance he can be successful because he is keeping his head above water with no talent around him. We dont know what /if Lawrence can and he will coming off of year of interrupted  football 

  2. 4 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

    best case scenario long term is jets end up with Lawrence 


    Sam has a similar career path to Drew Brees who was considered a bust in San Diego.  Sam plays well next year we trade him for picks and Lawrence becomes a hall of famer for us

    Excellent comparison with Brees. (Curious) Why are you so sure that the best case scenario is Lawrence long term? Lawrence is older than Sam and lost a full year of playing. I don't see how he is light years ahead of Sam in talent. Lawrence can run well, Sam has proven it at the NFL level, the run against Denver was as good as I ever seen. Why are there no run plays designed for Sam? Sam is in the worst situation in the entire NFL

  3. Brandon Tierney and Tiki Barber on the "Tiki and Tierney" radio show went off on the stupidity of anyone who would think to draft Trevor Lawrence because you think Sam Darnald is not good enough. They both were in agreement to simply cite the evidence of players like Alex Smith, Steve Young and Vinny Testeverde that once they had players around them or a real HC they thrived. Sam will be the same. In Sam Darnald's case he has to overcome a terrible, probably the worst HC in the NFL and definitely the least amount of talent. Sam is  younger than Burrow and Lawrence. You cant name a situation that is even close to how bad Sam' s is . Get a boatload of picks (if the Jets are bad enough for the #1 overall pick) and use all the high round draft capital to truly build a team around Sam Darnald

  4. Brandon Tierney and Tiki Barber on the "Tiki and Tierney" radio show went off on the stupidity of anyone who would think to draft Trevor Lawrence because you think Sam Darnald is not good enough. They both were in agreement to simply cite the evidence of players like Alex Smith, Steve Young and Vinny Testeverde that once they had players around them or a real HC they thrived. Sam will be the same. In Sam Darnald's case he has to overcome a terrible, probably the worst HC in the NFL and definitely the least amount of talent. Sam is  younger than Burrow and Lawrence. You cant name a situation that is even close to how bad Sam' s is . Get a boatload of picks (if the Jets are bad enough for the #1 overall pick) and use all the high round draft capital to truly build a team around Sam Darnald 

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  5. 2 hours ago, CanadaSteve said:

    But its all his fault.....and he STILL is one of the youngest starting QB's in the league.

    But we should tank for Trevor

    This fan base now seems to believe the following:

    1) Cheer for high-priced Free agents

    2) Denounce every draft pick

    3) Complain when we get extra draft picks

    4) Denounce the starting QB with little help

    5) Hope to get the 1st overall pick and get a QB who won't get any help.

    6) Repeat steps 1-5


  6. 1 hour ago, Charlie Brown said:

    I know that it maybe hard to believe that the Kotite Jets were better but here is some proof.......

    Compare the defense.....

    Compare the OL..... and

    Compare the WRs

    Actually fun to watch.....


    I believe this. It is also a great point if you are defending Darnald. How could any QB find success with a team worse than Kotite's Jets?. So many talking heads stating "how could the Jets lose to Denver?" Easy, Patrick, Juedy, Fant, and Melvin Gordon vs Hogan, Berrios, Jeff Smith, Herndon, and 37 year old Frank Gore. And that's not even mentioning our OLINE. Sam runs for his life on most plays 

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  7. 28 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

    They forced Farve??? So that's why Mangini named his son after him..👺

    I would say forced. Mangini's first year was not a total failure. He looked competent and his team seemed to follow his lead. So often a young HC is linked with a young QB in hopes to grow together. At the time I believe we had just drafted Kellen Clemens in the second round. Do you think a second year HC with such little experience would rather have an aging HOFer at QB with strong speculation of being a diva or a young QB that he could control in his own image with no fear of being thrown under the bus for not giving into whatever demands?.  There was speculation that there were rules for the team and then rules for Favre. So yes, I think Favre was forced on Mangini because the owner put selling jerseys in front of building a championship. I seriously do not think that he named his son after Bret Farve  

  8. 47 minutes ago, slats said:

    Joe Douglas shows up here and the biggest contracts on the roster are an unavailable inside LB, a past his prime RB, a broken WR, and a terrible CB. His draft assets include a promising QB prospect to go a long with a couple DTs and a safety - and the jury remains out on the QB. C.J. Mosley has played a half of football for the Jets for which he's already been paid $29M and has another $14M fully guaranteed on the way. Le'Veon Bell has been crap here, and now he's on the IR now, too. 

    The OL? Garbage. WRs and CBs? Garbage. Pass rush? Non-existent. 

    Douglas unceremoniously unloaded Trumaine Johnson (who still counts $4M against this year's cap). He got a third and a fifth for Leonard Williams. He'll probably dump Bell the way he dropped TJ, and he'll have a decision to make on Mosley. 

    People continuing to whine about Da Prez are out of their minds. This trade was always going to be a net negative for 2020. This year, the Jets got Bradley McDougald for an over-hyped all pro. That's a downgrade, yeah. But next year, Seattle gives the Jets 1st & 3rd round picks and the Jets give them nothing. The following year the Jets send Seattle a 4th round pick in exchange for another 1st. This was a fantastic trade for the long term health of this team. I understand the frustration that fans are feeling this year but if you want to see the team built right, that's going to take some time. 

    The fact is that there are still a lot of questions regarding the head coach and the quarterback, and the answers are tough to figure out without an off season program, a preseason, and what still amounts to a crappy roster. They're not going to knee-jerk it like the fans and fire the coach week two. They're going to let it play out with Sam in the same system two years in a row for the first time ever.

    What I see is Joe Douglas hedging his bets this year. He's going to be in better position to improve the team than maybe every other GM in the league next year - especially if the cap takes a big covid hit. He'll be in position to build around Gase and Darnold if that's what he wants, or he'll have enough assets available to attract a new head coach and bring in another QB if that's the direction he decides to go in. This was always going to take time, and this year was always going to be a lengthy evaluation process. 

    Excellent post. I would add that early returns show that there is a better than good chance we have our LT set (injury aside) for the long term and our DT from the previous regime (Quinenn) has had a better than average start to only his second season. As far as the QB goes, I dont think he is going anywhere soon, even if we get the #1 pick. He is still quit young (second among starting Qbs) has shown that he can be successful in small sample sizes, had to overcome mono and then covid training camp without preseason. His TD pass in garbage time shows his athletic ability. Many dropped passes by guys who are not starting caliber Wrs and cant get separation. Honestly, what can Darnald do?.   . Our OLINE looks significantly better than last year and we are only two games in. I am sure we will continue to build on this unit. Mims really hurts right now.. Bigger than what most expected. I believe if he were playing and shown any signs of having chemistry with Darnald there would be hope. Mims being hurt makes our Wrs corp really look like a helpless unit. Week 2's Wrs, (minus Perriman) you can make an argument that most to all could be replaced next season. (Maybe Vyncent Smith when healthy and Berrios hang on) . I agree, be patient, Rome not built in a day, and if you allow yourself, we are not as bad as being portrayed.

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  9. I love it. He will be someone else's problem. Clowney is a former number one over all pick, that's it. You coldnt describe a bum any more clearer.  Not advertised as a hard worker. get to the QB consistently and leads the NFL in penalties for the past several years.We finaly have a GM that wont back up the Brinks Trunk for a name only. And I am most excited about it. 

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  10. Brick was a stud. Not sure you could ask for anything more. Above average, pro bowler, started  every game, missed one play in his entire career. Long Island kid and the son of public school teachers who represented himself, the Jets, and Long Island with the utmost class and dignity.  In his post career he continues to give back to the Long Island community. Yeah, anyone should take that type of person and player. 

  11. 4 minutes ago, jetlaw said:

    Then make a play for Clowney. 2 years 30 mil

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     Clowney lead the entire NFL last year in penalties and missed 3 games. That's more penalties than the top penalty offender on the OLINE. Lead the NFL in penalties the 2 prior seasons from last other than Oline-men. With only 3 sacks last year and his top year at 9 1/2 I dont think he is on the Jets radar. Just my opinion. 

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  12. 3 minutes ago, Mogglez said:


    The clown literally can't help himself.

    Winters would be the ideal back up and I hope they resign him for less. Worked really hard to get where he is and played through major pain. On a side note: Did this really happen? I am so glad we traded Adams. 

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  13. On 5/17/2020 at 8:19 AM, Sperm Edwards said:


    “Here’s an idea for a new logo! Ready? We’ll write the name of the team in italicized block letters like before! Shorten the height of the “J” so people will know we changed it around a little. Instead of the NY over it we’ll write NEW YORK in smaller letters above it. Oh and of course an icon of a football partly covering team name, so people know what sport we’re playing when the product on the field calls that into question, even though it’s doubly redundant since the green background area is (sort of) football shaped in the first place.”

    They really couldn’t find a creative graphic artist in a metro area that has like 15 million people? Nah, Nike will come up with something for us: a flat triangle (which we’ll put on the uniform but not on the logo anyway).

    It’s not like there was some uphill battle making the team’s name look “tough” (which they instead weakly tried to accomplish by being 10-20 years late on their black uniform thing for the alternate). Cardinals, ravens, dolphins, saints — these nonaggressive/unimposing (if not outright wimpy) things provide a lot less to work with than the jets who can go with a freaking war machine of sorts. A fighter jet with an NY on/below it, with a distinctive font (even the existing font is so basic, but I could get past that if it was part of a logo instead of basic block lettering effectively being the logo).

    Or even just something creative that draws upon pride in being in (ok, near) the biggest metropolis in the country. Or come up with a more distinct styling to the letters that really makes it their own: the unique NY logos used by the Yankees, Mets, and Giants; the 49ers’ SF logo; KC putting theirs on an arrowhead. Even the Rams made a freaking effort, though it’s awful and unlike “NY” that has only one association, LA is also the abbreviation for Louisiana, and frankly I just see the word “Laaaaa!” myself lol. I liked their basic rams horns one. Not my favorite, but it was instantly identifiable and it was theirs. At least the new one is an attempt at an actual logo/icon; imagine if it was just a rounded football-ish shape that plainly said LOS ANGELES RAMS on it. That’s the Jets’ logo.

    It’s so lazy and uninspiring - after making such a big deal about the secret unveiling for so long - that yes the only thing that will make it not-awful (or less awful) is associating it with winning superbowls. 

    100% spot on SE. Im not surprised at the ranking of our disgusting uniforms. I was very vocal in my initial and continued disappointment in our new uniforms. Our uniforms are awful. Triangular slash marks instead of stripes? The black uniforms are so out dated and not our colors.  The helmet and logo is putrid. A middle school student doodling could have come up with something more creative than the word "JETS" stamped across a green helmet. The image of the tiny football is beyond juvenile. Opportunity wasted. What a shame. Could have finally created an identity of our own but instead we continue to look less than our big brother Giants. Its boarder line criminal that we didnt seize this opportunity considering our "little brother/having to share GIANTS stadium" status. Truely absurd. I am far from a design expert but couldnt we have used a version of the NY symbol with the New York City skyline behind it? Our own version of the NY symbol that somehow is the base of a Fighter JET? It seems like such a no brainer that this was the opportunity to create an identity after years of being little brother to the Giants and the continued nomadic feel of playing in a stadium that is not ours. What an opportunity missed. It's difficult to believe that ownership couldn't realize this from purely a selfish marketing stand point. Absurd

  14. 6 hours ago, sackdance said:

    Yes. I think the game is called football.

    Maybe my point is unclear. I dont think players will agree to play so easily with so much to lose (health wise). Players making a million dollars a year are going to willingly agree to tackle a player from NY who may be a carrier of the virus? Then comfortably go home to to hug  wife, small child, elderly parent? Losing the paycheck speaks volume but  Im still not so sure if most will be on board.

  15. Great topic Lil O. I have been thinking along the same lines. Are we really expecting players who are financially set to agree to make contact and tackle (most likely sweat) another player? I want to see football as much as anyone, i just don't see how this doesnt become a major issue. 

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  16. 4 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

    I mean we just drafted a replacement. I think the common consensus was Davis meant either Adams or Maye were on their way out. 

    If it were for a WR or OL around the same level then I think it's a pretty decent trade off. May explain why we didn't double down at WR.

    I can understand the initial concern that only one Wr was drafted however Lawrence Cager and George Cambell  are two undrafted fee agents we signed look real encouraging. Both were expected to be drafted so I don't think we are as bad off as some are stating 

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  17. 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

    Many of us wanted that "size" guy somewhere late in the Draft.  I thought it would be Donovan Peoples-Jones or AGG.....Cager looks like a nice consolation prize and not having to use a pick on him is even better.

    Surprising this player was not drafted. Size, speed, played at a high level, productive (when healthy). Even with the injuries you'd think a team would have burned a late round draft pick on him. Good for us. Im thinking the chances of Cager sticking on the roster or practice squad is  better than most undrafted free agents ( Unless Im missing something)

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  18. Awesome take Jetstream , I’m not surprised.

    Honestly I think Joe Douglas is had a very good day, not good, very good. I, like you, wished we took at least one more drafted Wr and it would have been great in my opinion

    And that’s the thing, “in my opinion,”  I’m not Joe Douglas and feel confident that he passed on players for a good reason that I thought were no brainers at the time. 

    With that said, I did not agree with a few pics. Didn’t understand the the QB pick until I read that the Patriots possibly wanted him and we do not have the cap space for what we want to do with priding FAs and sign a back up veteran QBs. Did I scratch my head (putting that lightly) when we took a safety? Yes. Did I do the same when we took Zuniga? Hell yeah. I was like Josh Jones! Ezra Cleveland!  Henessy! Cushenberry!! Gandy Golden!! Peoples Jones!!! The Prince!!! Then we take a Qb? What!?? A punter??? WTF!?? Then I took a breathe, read up on some of the reasoning behind the picks (like Ashtyn Davis an athletic freak projected to go late first round/ like the punter who is the best prospect in years and we now don’t have to resign the one we have and can use that money elsewhere ).

    But again, who am I? Douglas knows best. What sold me was the trade down in round two and still getting Mims. Douglas’s skill, balls, luck, brilliance , whatever, even if Mims fails, it was an area of need and he did not panic and gained valuable picks for a team that needs and overhaul of players.

    Secondly, and this really solidified it for me was the trade down of the last 3d we gained from the previous  trade mentioned, to trade with Bellicheck and gain two 4ths and a 6 next year.

    Trading with Bellicheck!!!? On draft day!??? So much pressure to get it right. A lesser GM would have played it safe and not want to get involved. Not Noe Douglas! Just wow! The balls on the first year GM!

    I am total fine with it because I do not know more than Joe Douglas (or any NFL scout/executive) BUT the difference is that I have confidence after what Douglas did to maneuver during this draft.  After seeing how he controlled  the draft and gained 10 players plus some real interesting undrafted free agents I feel real good about this .

    Statistically all of these players and moves will most likely not pan out.  But I feel real confident moving forward with Douglas as GM.  You gotta love what you saw from Douglas over the past few days. 

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