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  1. 7 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

    And again, why cant we resign Robbie and develop Smith to be his replacement if need be without leaving a void

    My thought process is that we have X amount to spend this off season. Based on the current NFL market, it would cost the Jets somewhere from 10-15 mil per year for Robby. Knowing what we know about his ability up until this point and trying to project his continued progress, is it worth it? Or would it be better to elevate Vyncint Smith's role on the field and spend the money on an extra player in FA which we would not be able to do if we spend it on Robby, 


  2. 4 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

    you can think whatever you want...   the data doesnt support that VS will be able to replace RA's production.

    DOESNT mean it CANT happen...   just that the odds are low.

    Robby goes and we now have ZERO WR threats. ANd need a #1 AND a #2

     

    Such a major roll of the dice if the Jets decide to let Robbie walk and commit to Smith. 

    It is enticing for me to toy with the idea of letting  Robbie walk only because  Smith played so well. He really came out of nowhere and I cannot remember a negative play from him whether it was lining up as a wide receiver or on special teams


  3. 16 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

    I remember when the Seahawks traded us Jermaine Kearse so they could further develop Tyler Lockett and I promise...they don’t miss Kearse and now neither do we.

    Interesting. Do you think Vyncint Smith has shown enough to make Robbie expendable? I only really remember Smith making positive plays for us. Don't remember any drops.  Im starting to think it might be better to spend the money elsewhere  

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  4. 1 hour ago, Lith said:

    This is why teh Gase debate will be great for offseason traffic on JN.  There are strong arguments to be made both for and against Gase. 

    You watch the games, week after week, this does not look like a well coached team, especially not on offense.  Darnold's improvement was marginal.  Long stretches of inability to move the ball.  Last in NFL in total offense, 31st in points scored.  

    But its hard to argue with 6-2 down the stretch.  A team that could have imploded afer a 1-7 start stayed together.  Weak schedule or not, winning 6 of 8 is not easy in the NFL.  Gase deserves some credit for that.

    I am not a Gase supporter.  Not optimistic about him as our HC, bet I get the arguments for him and understand that he earned another season.  And all offseason, the debate will rage on.  And on.

    Great post. I totally agree. I cant figure out if i think Gase is competent or should totally be fired. Will make for a great off season 


  5. 3 hours ago, 56mehl56 said:

    So  you ding them for scoring points against bad teams but hold them to the fire for not burning up the scoreboard against teams like the Steelers , Patriots , Bills .

    A far as Bell goes , do you realize our OLine was putrid and constantly changing, Bell ran behind one of the best Olines in the league @ Pitt, further more his running style is to setup runs by being patient and letting his blockers get down field - that wasn't happening with this Oline.   Yea there were times when I scratched my head and said WTH is Gase doing there , but that happens across the NFL Patriots, Chiefs, etc....

    Problem is a lot of Jets fans projected what Bell would be based on what he was in Pitt and that is a fallacy. Was he used 100% to what he could be - definitely not but the team situation(especially OLine)  between here and Pittsburgh is like comparing apples to oranges.

     Again, I am not a Gase hater, we need him to succeed. I dont want to start over. Trying to look at this season objectively. I hear everything that you're saying, but the bottom line is that they finish dead last in the NFL in offense, DEAD LAST, and we have an offensive HC coach with Sam Darnald coming off an inspiring rookie season. Sorry but there is little excuse for this.   Can you honestly say we have learned anything over the season with this team? Is Darnald legit? Is Bell our rn moving foward? Oline development? Wesco development? Possibly Vincent Smith is a player?  We have so little idea of who they are. Gase  was supposed to be a guru and take Donald into the next level.  I get it, huge setback  to overcome in mono, totally not underestimating that. But what about playing Kahill over Harrison?  Not having an NFL caliber QB signed after  seeing how bad it was after week 2 injury with Trevor Simion? Bell, Gase, flu fiasco?  Questionable play calling all season that was topped off with  a wildcat formation with Bell  in a meaningless game?  Wouldnt rational thinking want to see Darnald progress in a tight situation instead of a gimmick play ? All the injuries now with two organizations? Cryptic messages about wanting or not wanting Bell? Not being able to handle the media (now two organizations) who hold tremendous power in this town?

     The UTTER ASININE  move of firing the GM AFTER hiring Gase is a tribute to how putrid our ownership truly is. Does Douglas truly like Gase as HC? Who really knows? He didnt hire him. Our head owner would rather be in England supporting Trump than the team that he owns. Woody Johnson is  true reason for our failures  in all of this and sadly going nowhere. 

    IMHO, these are all awful signs, i hope im wrong 


  6. 1 hour ago, 56mehl56 said:

    The offense scored 180 points over the last 8 games which is on avg 22.5 pts/gm. They had 34 pts 3 games in a row.

    They struggled against the Steelers and Bills as many teams have and laid an egg in Cincy.

    You can't say they won entirely on defense.

    I am no Gase super fan nor do I want him fired. Please tell me what you are encouraged by what you've seen from Gase's offense.  They scored 34 points against the Giants, Redskins, and Raiders. All bottom of the barrel. Grossly mishandled Le'Veon Bell. Bizzare handling of Bell with the flu, he is ordered to stay home when it appears he is healthy enough to play, then gives Bilal Powell  obnoxiously more  carries than in any other game with a healthy Bell. The only time we see the wildcat is in a meaningless game against the Bills with Bell of all people continuing the perplexing way he was handled.  Sorry but I have know idea what Gase was doing this season. 

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  7. Watching Adam Gase  he is quickly beginning to remind me of Bruce Coslet. Over the top arrogant with nothing to back it up, at war with the media, not like able, alienating star players (Coslet alienated Blair Thomas and Ken O’Brien amongst others), head scratching plays (Wildcat for the first time this year on 3d and 2 with Bell?) decisions. How they handled Le’Veon Bell was absurd.

    I would have felt so much better about going 6-2 down the stretch if it was Darnald and the offense that carried the team and not necessarily the defense.

    I think I know less about this team now than before the season started. 

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  8. 46 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

    Giants are taking Chase Young at #2.

    Gettleman has never traded down. Ever.

    I can see this. But the Giants never traded with the Jets before and that happened this season. Giants need to fill many holes as well so we have to expect the unexpected.

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  9. 27 minutes ago, slats said:

    I’m gonna go ahead and root for a win and let next year’s draft play itself out. I’d rather go into the offseason with a little hope that maybe Gase isn’t terrible, and that maybe he and Douglas can get this team on the other side of .500 next year. Wrapping up with two losses, especially ugly ones, wouldn’t make me feel any better about this team just because they have a slightly higher pick. 

    I dont necessarily disagree. Sometimes the wins are more important than the draft position. What's intriguing is that in December, there is already 3 QBs that are predicted worthy of a top 8 pick. We already have our QB. We have so many holes to fill and a trade down could give us so much hope that with the correct players drafted we can turn this negativity around quicker. 


  10. In recent weeks it appears that the role for Vincent Smith has grown where he has become a valued target for Darnald. The YAC in Baltimore was all Smith. I know Robbie stretches the field. Anyone know how Smith's speed is in comparison to Anderson? Im sure Anderson is faster but is Smith comparable?  Wondering if the Jets are thinking of letting Anderson go, spending that money elsewhere and Vincent Smith steps into his role. 


  11. 1 minute ago, jetstream23 said:

    Love it.  If Thomas is there at #7 we have to take him.  I saw the Mock as well.  McShay Edge rusher Chase Young, and WRs Jeudy and Lamb both gone before the Jets pick so Thomas becomes a no-brainer.  It's only if those other guys are still there does a debate even take place....although I'd still probably take Thomas.

    The question is if Thomas is gone.  Do you reach and take another OLineman at #7 who is more of a #12-20 prospect, or do you "take what the Draft gives you" at WR and then come back for OLine in Rounds 2 and 3?

    If Thomas (and Young are gone) there might be a chance that one of the top 3 QBs are still on the board. Currently Burrow, Tags, and Herbert) are slated to go in the top 8. Figure by draft the hype will be even stronger for them. We might have a good chance of trading somewhere between 12-20 and land the next best OLINE prospect after Thomas. 

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  12. 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

    Every year I call for a trade down and we never do it so I have given up on that.  Maybe Douglas will be different.

    Same here, but there is at least hope with the unknown in Douglas. I'd also be ok, if we had no way to trade down,  taking Chase Young, or the best OLINE-man or Wr. 


  13. 4 hours ago, Dunnie said:

     

     

    Are you as apathetic as I am right now ? I was the most ardent of fans until this year.

     

    Darnold looks good but not great ... Ala pre noodle arm Pennington or early OBrien. In terms of talent ... Not style.

     

    Zero wide receivers

    Bell looks like Discount Bell.

     

    Defense looks very good ... But mostly due to a great DC that will most likely move on after this season.

     

    HC ... Looks like an OC over his head.

     

    Help me out here. ... Seriously bummed.

     

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    I cant blame you. I'm an older Jets fan myself. Truthfully, Darnald has kept me interested. He gives us a chance. I also think you are underestimating Ken O'Brien and Chad Pennington. Both were very good players, and with the correct players around them, gave us a chance to get to the playoffs where anything can happen. Worst case scenario is that if Darnald is only as good as O'Brien and Pennington it would at least give us a chance for the next ten plus years (barring  injury)

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  14. Andrew Thomas, OT Georgia is currently rated as the top OLINE prospect but a lot can change from now up to the draft. If we stay at pick #7 or somehow land a few picks closer I think we would be in prime position for a trade down, accumulate picks to truly have the resources to rebuild. Currently it looks like there are 3 QBs that are worthy of a top 5-7 pick (Burrows, Tagovaola, and Hebert). By the time the draft roles around and the QB hype is in full swing maybe even 1 or 2 more. We would be in prime position to trade with the Chargers, Raiders, Carolina, or anyone else that may be looking to land a potential franchise QB.  If the top QBs go 1,2, and 3 (most likely through trades) , we will be in a great position to draft Chase Young and (hopefully) solve our edge rushing position or the top OLINE player or Wr. 

     
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  15. I hate thinking this way but I am ok with the Jets not getting a win here and next week (even though it would benefit Darnald and his continued growth). If we stay at pick #7 or somehow land a few picks closer we would be in prime position for a trade down. Currently it looks like there are 3 QBs that are worthy of a top 5-7 pick (Burrows, Tagovaola, and Hebert). By the time the draft roles around and the QB hype is in full swing maybe even 1 or 2 more. We would be in prime position to trade with the Chargers, Raiders, Carolina, or anyone else that may be looking to land a potential franchise QB.  If the top QBs go 1,2, and 3 (most likely through  trades) , we will be in a great position to draft Chase Young and (hopefully) solve our edge rushing position or the top OLINE player or Wr. 


  16. 11 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

    Sure he’s bowling when he’s supposed to be bed ridden with the flu 

    And here's where it gets confusing. It was not Bell that requested to not play because he was so bedridden and sick, it was the Jets, Shouldn't the Jets be criticized somewhat for making a relatively healthy player sit out if he obviously wasn't bedridden? 


  17. 10 minutes ago, Jetster said:

    I'm starting to think fans on this site have no idea about cause & affect. Antonio Brown with the Steelers was considered the best WR in all of football! You don't think teams weren't giving him extra attention to allow for Bell to perform in space? James Conner did the same sh*t last year B4 he got injured. If Jet fans think that Le'veon Bell doesn't look slow, or the year off definitely hurt his game, I have no idea what games your watching. 

    I find the use of Bell/lack of/ or just his over all talent level more debated among Jets fans than any other. 


  18. 11 minutes ago, JiF said:

    He has the 2nd most receptions on the team and 82% catch rate.  You dont think that's beneficial to Sam? 

    wow

    I do. Didnt realize he has the 2nd most receptions. Pretty quiet. Was about to be critical of Gase for not involving him in the passing game enough. 

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