Bronxville Jets Fan

Whatever you knocked down a straw man for no reason other than to be contentious. The point was that Orlando won the first pick two years in a row. Pointing out that I mischaracterized who they drafted with that pick versus who they traded for with that pick was just plain dumb.

You are the first Jets fan I have heard question whether Allen would have been a better pick then Darnold, which makes me think you’re really a trolling Bills fan. Even though Allen is faster and has a stronger arm, Darnold is still the superior prospect. Much more polished and a million times more accurate.

The Magic had the first pick and traded Weber for Hardaway. What's the point of clarifying that?

You are calling Josh Rosen a franchise QB? He's a low risk, low cost gamble for the Dolphins. Anyone who knows the Dolphins knows that Stephen Ross has the hots for Tua. And they are absolutely tanking - they gutted their roster and signed Fitzpatrick as a temporary QB instead of drafting a QB this year. Rosen just happened to fall in their laps as a cheap Plan B QB.

The Bucs engaged in some pretty blatant tanking the year they had the first pick and selected Winston. Among other things they rested a bunch of their starters for most of the last game to lock up the first pick. No team will admit to tanking or be completely obvious about it. The Browns pushed the limit for a couple years and now the Dolphins are doing it.

That happened the year that the Magic selected Penny Hardaway and no one was crying foul. Not sure how you think that's a corrupted process -- the alternative is absolutely corruptible.

I absolutely think there should be a lottery system in the NFL. How times have we had a crappy team over the past 20 years only to "lose" out on the first overall pick because some other perpetually inept franchise like the Browns or Cardinals sucked worse? I think the Jets were just as deserving of that first pick and should have had a fairer shot at it. I also don't like what the Browns did over the past few years and now what the Dolphins are doing -- which is deliberately tanking in order to get the top pick. With QBs being increasingly valuable in the NFL, the difference between the first pick and second, third or fourth pick can be ENORMOUS and, as a result, the temptation to tank can be irresistible. The lottery would fix that, which is why the NBA started using it a while back. I also think the SOS tiebreaker is crap. The only difference between the Jets having the third and second pick in the draft this year was a meaningless Cole Beasley touchdown catch at the end of the Cowboys-Giants week 17 game. And there have a team will have a higher draft pick than a team with an identical record that they BEAT in the regular season because of the SOS tiebreaker. Stupid.

That OL was the best in the league, hands down. We were so spoiled as fans because shortly after that we rebuilt with Brick and Nick. Hopefully we can get back there! And man how great was it back in 2002 having the best OL with two young ascending WRs and a QB? I know we didn’t win the super bowl, but that was really fun to watch.

Funny, I was thinking about this recently. I was extremely upset at the time, and it was made worse by Dan Snyder gloating about it after we lost the third player due to some contract error (I think it was Morton). The Jets offense was money that year and it was just heartbreaking to see some perennially inept franchises just come in and gut us like that. It killed me at the time and I’ve hated the Redskins and Dan Snyder ever since. I’m surprised by the posters who are saying Morton wasn’t a big loss. He was one of my favorite players that year - came out of nowhere and was the best returner in the game that year. Also got involved with the offense in a gimmicky way. Really fun to watch.

no doubt

I really hope this happens. Pick up an extra pick and still be in a position to grab a premium player.

Hands down, Thormund. Tough as nails, versatile and solid locker room guy.

I'm wondering lately if the 49ers would take the Jets first third rounder to swap first rounders . . . and if MacCagnan likes Bosa enough to part with another 2019 draft pick. I haven't seen this scenario mentioned before so throwing it out there for discussion purposes. Seems like a long shot to me since the Jets only have six picks this year, but I also wouldn't be terribly shocked to see it happen.

Throughout my eight years covering the NFLdraft for Bleacher Report, I've had many debates over which player was the best. Jared Goff or Carson Wentz? I picked Goff. Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III? I picked Luck. The terrible 2013 debate over Eric Fisher or Luke Joeckel—in which I picked wrong and took Joeckel. Why the history lesson? Because I'm flipping my pick for the top player in the 2019 NFL draft class. Welcome to No. 1, Quinnen Williams. A change this late in the process deserves an explanation. It's not as simple as a handful of general managers telling me I'm wrong—in fact, many I talked to said the opposite about my original pick—but more about going with what the evaluation says. What makes Williams the better prospect? It boiled down to two factors: 1. Nick Bosa has incurred two injuries in four years. A core muscle injury suffered in Week 3 shut Bosa down for the rest of the 2018 college football season. And while many will point to the belief he could have returned to the Buckeyes had they made the College Football Playoff, it's still a season-ending setback that must be evaluated. Bosa, as a senior in high school, also injured his knee and had surgery to repair a partially torn ACL. Nick Bosa's still an elite, No. 1-worthy talent, but his durability is a concern.Jamie Sabau/Getty Images Injured players have a way of staying injured. It's the same reason D.K. Metcalf and Marquise Brown take hits on my big board. Two fairly major injuries in four seasons is enough to bump Bosa just enough to let Williams overtake him. 2. Quinnen Williams hasn't reached his potential. A first-year starter as a redshirt sophomore, Williams played well enough that he should have received serious Heisman Trophy consideration in 2018. His eight sacks and 19.5 tackles for a loss showed his dominance, and at only 21 years old as of December 21, Williams is still growing and developing as a player. It's easy to look at Bosa and see a grown man who is already at his physical peak thanks to years of training with his brother, Joey (No. 3 overall pick, 2016 draft), and father, John (No. 16 overall pick, 1987 draft). Bosa hit the genetic lottery and comes from a long line of football players. We have a good idea of who Nick can be thanks to Joey, who has also suffered injuries. With Williams, there is no known ceiling. He has the athleticism, work ethic and strength to continue to improve. You hear the term "maxed out" in scouting. Bosa is maxed out. Williams is just getting started.

I think it’s long overdue. The top picks in the draft have gotten to be astronomically valuable — some seasons more so then others — and teams are now deliberately tanking to secure those picks (Bucs in 2014 season, Browns in 2016 and 2017, Dolphins in 2019). Think how close the Jets came to getting a top two or three pick in recent years only to get slightly “beat” out by teams that are either intentionally tanking (Bucs and Browns), suffered injuries to key players (Colts in 2017) or are just grossly incompetent franchises (think Raiders from Al Groh’s last years). I was mad as hell those years because I felt the Jets deserved a fairer shot at the top pick. Were the Jets really a better team then the Colts in 2017? Somehow we won one more game and, as a result, had to cough up three premium draft picks to trade picks with them in order to get our QB. That shows how valuable one or two extra losses can be in terms of draft capital. It’s time for the NFL to start doing more to discourage tanking and stop rewarding ineptitude and the lottery system is the way to do it.

Picking my daughter from basketball practice at 8 o'clock and driving home as fast as possible! Probably going to a local bar to watch with other Jets fans in my town.

I think we have a consensus!

But in this scenario they could still do that . . . 2 to 3 and 3 to wherever. The QB would still be there at 3.

They seem mutually exclusive to me. If we are being offered a boatload of draft picks, it's because another team is trying to trade up for Haskins; if Nick Bosa is available at 3 it is because the 49ers have traded their pick to another team that wants Haskins.

Was wondering the same. If we get two 1s, I’m seeing us go for pass rusher (Burns) and OL (Bradberry or Jonah Williams). CB would be another possibility, but no way would we go ILB.

Yup . . . see my post above about Miami. The worst!

I didn't realize how true this was until I moved to Miami for a couple years. I couldn't get over how big of homers there beat reporters were (Salguero, Jeff Darlington). You could tell how much it pained them that their team sucks and been irrelevant for twenty years -- it's like they felt it was holding their careers back. And they all openly criticize the Jets in an overly biased way, likely because they want to rile up the Jets fan base down there to drum up readers, clicks or radio listeners.

Completely agree. People ride him about his negativity, but you his institutional and historical knowledge are unrivaled by his peers.

Exactly what I was thinking . . .

Completely agree. Will be fun to revisit this after FA starts and we get someone like Barr or Fowler.