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  1. Disagree, I think he would have pretty easily been second on the team in targets assuming Davis is a goner. Lazard should be the 3rd option, really hope they bring in someone better than him.
  2. I don’t necessarily think they got bad value for him right now. Given his antics last year and lack of production it’s probably fair. I think he’s a much better player than the production indicates though, and would have expected his value to increase after a year with Rodgers at QB. They sold at the low point of his value IMO.
  3. Ugh. Unless the plan is to make a move for Hopkins I’m not a fan. Would rather have Moore instead of Odell. Either way think they still need to add a receiver, unless they’re planning on featuring Hardman in a much more prominent role than they should.
  4. The Jets are currently 85 million UNDER the cap for next season
  5. without getting too into whether or not those guys are available (reports are that Stafford and Cousins are, Stafford becomes very trade-able after 6/1, and the Lamar situation is much more about whether anyone is willing to guarantee all or a huge chunk of the contract which the Ravens have so far shown an unwillingness to do), you’re missing the broader point. Which is that what you present as an “unsavory option” for the Packers is in actuality a cash and cap nightmare for their future prospects at least debatably in the ballpark of the nightmare a rookie QB would be to the Jets short term prospects of winning a Super Bowl this year or next. Nobody is fooling anybody here. “Options” other than getting this trade done range from bad to worse for both parties.
  6. I think the vast majority of fans are excited, but it's not 100% and there's definitely a sizable contingent that doesn't want him as it's not a long term answer or they just don't like the guy. That contingent will grow if the compensation is out of line with expectations. And if your idea of "leverage" here is that the fans are excited (which seems to be the narrative that conveniently was belted out in unison by the insiders who sure seem to have been fed info from the Packers this whole time), well then that leverage will only dwindle the more this gets dragged out and fan excitement begins to wane and turns more towards wanting the Jets to explore other options.
  7. The bold is where things become nonsense. Why is the Packers option "unsavory" but the Jets option is "no option"? They can make a play for Stafford or Cousins or Lamar, make a play to trade up in the draft. None of those options are ideal, but they are options, just like the Packers hoping and praying Rodgers retires or otherwise blowing up their future cap and paying him somewhere between 60-110 million in cash is an option. You're splitting hairs trying to determine which one is more "unsavory". The fact of the matter is, both sides benefit a huge deal by getting this deal done, and the only party with any discernible amount of leverage here is Rodgers.
  8. Waking up to the fact that Rodgers is the one with the gun
  9. Was he on Rodgers’ list of demands?
  10. The cap implications don’t really hit them this year (although the Jets agreeing to pick up money would surely help them). But if he doesn’t retire it’s catastrophic for their future cap and/or plans with Love. All this talk about “leverage”, but Rodgers is the one with the nuclear codes in the palm of his hand. If he comes out and says trade me to the Jets by this date or I’m not going anywhere, see you at whatever’s mandatory and cut me a check for 60 million, the Packers are screwed.
  11. I’d agree with that, with the caveat being Green Bay should want this resolved by the draft so they could actually get started using the asset(s) they get back. The point is that ultimately getting this done has benefits for all sides, and not getting it done has big drawbacks. You can debate who’s in a more precarious position if it doesn’t get done, but it’s like debating whether it’s better to lose an arm or leg when there’s a completely viable option that has everybody keeping all of their limbs.
  12. The takes around this in the media have been really, really bad, and seem like they’re being put out there by a Packers front office that is desperate to save face for putting themselves in the situation by not trading Rodgers last year and saddling themselves with a terrible contract. Neither side here has ALL the leverage. You can argue which side has more, but objectively the idea that the Packers have nothing to lose here is absurd. The Packers Options are: 1. Trade him to the Jets. Take at most a 40 mill-ish dead cap hit, but receive some compensation in return and possibly have the Jets eat a chunk of that cap hit. And cap implications aside, you don’t have to pay 60 million actual dollars in cash (cash implications are not being talked about nearly enough). By far the best outcome for them. 2. Rodgers retires this offseason. Take the full 40 mill-ish dead cap hit. No compensation, nobody eating any of the money. But don’t have to pay out the cash. 3. Rodgers doesn’t retire and they don’t trade him. Take his cap number. Pay him the 60 mill in cash. Either you don’t see anything from Love before you have to exercise his option/he becomes a free agent or you’re paying Rodgers a ton to sit on the bench. Either way hes going to bash you week after week in press conferences and on McAfee. Your roster isn’t built to compete. And because of the horrible structure of the contract, you can’t trade him after the season starts, can’t trade him next year, can’t release him at any point without your cap being blown to bits. If he retires after the year, you take massive dead cap hits. If he comes back again, you have to pay him another 50 million in cash. Both teams can play chicken. No option is as good for the Jets as trading for Rodgers at a fair cost at this point, that’s clearly the best outcome. But there is also BIG downside for the Packers, especially if Rodgers shows up to collect his 60 million dollars and spite them, which I think he’d be more than willing to do.
  13. Bill Belichick has shown time and time again he has no problem breaking the rules, so no, I definitely wouldn’t put it past him to break the laws of physics to screw over the Jets. (The original post was sarcasm, no I don’t think they scrambled a passenger jet to fly Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick to Colorado at the speed of sound to meet with California-based Aaron Rodgers for like 2 hours because of a Diana Russini tweet)
  14. No, but his story is that Diana Russini’s tweet about the Rodgers wish list at 1:30 pm pissed Rodgers off, so he decided to meet with the Patriots, who flew a 150 passenger Boeing 767 not to where Rodgers lives in California but to Colorado Springs, where they landed about an hour and half after the Russini tweet that sparked the whole thing. So yeah, seems legit and definitely time to start panicking.
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