[QB practice reports for all the 2nd year class.]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

it was posted by ballsack sports so I'm guessing it's legit.

[We’re number 2 !]

The Chargers being a phone charger gave me a good chuckle

[Time for my annual look at roster "Locks, Bubbles, and Longshots"]

Good list. As others have said I’d move Berrios to a lock. Barring injury I’d say Kwon is damn near a lock too, he’s already getting a lot of run with the first team next to Mosley according to practice reports. And I might have Michael Carter II there as well, though that might be a matter of semantics. Would be stunned if he didn’t make the 53 after a solid rookie year, and he would for sure be scooped up off the practice squad.

On another note, I agree with where you placed Huff given his injury history and the sheer volume of DEs they brought in, but really hope he makes the team. His speed off the snap is among the tops in the league and I don’t think we’ve seen anywhere close to his ceiling. Of all the bubble guys, he’s the one I can most easily see being the guy we look back on in a few years wondering how they let him get away.

[Miami stripped of their 2023 1st RD pick]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

Yeah tampering is kind of BS. Plus the main accusation (paying Flores to lose) turned out to be made up.

They pretty much admit that he did offer Flores money to lose, but claim he was just joking. Noted funny guy, that Stephen Ross.

[Training Camp Tweets - (Previous Days Merged)]

35 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I don't think Matt is a troll, for the record.  I just think he is very old-school, and thinks the players should be reliving 1970's type Training Camps.  That is a somewhat common mindset here I think.

I tend to agree with you IJ, I don't think Saleh and the Jets are out of the current norms for managing Training Camp time and reps.  First day in pads, I expect shorter/less aggressive practices, and I'd generally guess thats what most of the NFL does.

Do we have any Pats Fans around?  How long was their practice today (if today was their first day in pads too), and how long did their QB get drilled?  Comparison always helps, and the Pats are a good starting point.

Tough to tell exactly when practice “starts” and ends but using the extremely scientific method of beat writer tweets for comparison purposes, seems the Pats practice was somewhere around 1 hour 40 minutes (Mac Jones threw 9 passes in 11v11 and 6 in 7v7), whereas the Eagles practice was around 1 hour and 10 minutes (Jalen Hurts 11 passes in team drills). Not going to check anymore teams because good god that was boring.

[Training Camp Tweets - (Previous Days Merged)]

Maybe we can all chill out a little bit at least until the pads come on?

[Training Camp Tweets - (Previous Days Merged)]

1 minute ago, IndianaJet said:

Is that what Saleh actually said?

Yes I was listening to the press conference. He explicitly said this doesn't mean Mekhi's days at left tackle are over. But for this year given his age, Fant being better playing left, Becton's experience playing both sides, and overall fit with the rest of the offensive line, it doesn't make sense for the team to be flipping them back and forth during camp.

[Training Camp Tweets - (Previous Days Merged)]

1 minute ago, Lith said:

 

Lol gotta love our beat writers. Quote would be a tad more accurate if he would have included the little "It doesn't mean.." part before the "Mekhi's left tackle days are over" part.

[Mafia forum off season chat thread]

14 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No, not "everyone".  Unless we get a bunch of these players to show up ever again, we're well short: 

@CTM, @Pac, @HessStation, @SMC, @Verbal, @Leelou, @Lily, @Jetscode1, @jvill 51, @Nynaeve, @GATA, @Vicious89x, @StraightCash, @ZachEY, @Jets Voice of Reason, @Dan., @AVM, @Smashmouth, @DPR, @Doggin94it

 

Mafia is dead, has been dead for a while, and the above reads like an Oscars "In Memoriam" list.  I am sad.

Um I just signed up for the Zach Wilson MILF game like two days ago. I’d play.

 

[Mafia forum off season chat thread]

5 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Zach Milfson vs the PTA moms  mafia game. 

IN

[Have We Peaked?]

[Mafia forum off season chat thread]

12 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

 

Was about to immediately vote New @Beaver but the mention of the beaver being single tells me this has something to do with Old Beaver trying to purchase a new mail order mate off the dark web.

Unvote vote @Spoot-Face

[Mafia forum off season chat thread]

21 hours ago, Spoot-Face said:

holy sh*t @Jetsfan80 needs mafia

 

My god.

 

Vote 80.

[OT - Lets Go Rangers! (Stanley Cup Run)]

11 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Except the Islanders made the ECF or their equivalent the prior two seasons and they are a New York team last time I checked. And they did it against starting goalies as opposed to the third stringers the Rangers have faced so far. 

[Mike Francesca: Not impressed with Saleh]

 

I was getting tired of having to deal with the Francesa mush. Finally, things are going our way! 

[Interesting graph on rest advantages/disadvantages next season]

[Jets 2022 Full Schedule]

One thing is for sure, we’ll get a good early look at what I think most of us consider the two biggest weaknesses/question marks: run defense and Zach Wilson. All those AFC North teams are gonna want to run it, and all of the pre-bye opponents have at minimum a solid defense.

[Ravens @ Jets week 1]

Sounds like there's a chance Peters is not going to be ready Week 1? Anytime you can avoid dealing with a guy who switches seamlessly between talking about himself in the third and first person like that, you take it.

[Daniel Jeremiah- “Mims, I have been told, is off the charts in the offseason stuff."]

1 hour ago, slats said:

There’s no way I’m more smug than @T0mShane, I’m just right more often so it seems that way. 

This is so smug that I’m expecting Daniel Jeremiah to call in to Rich Eisen to comment on your off the charts off-season smugness

[Who Ya'll Want Week One?!]

Really should be a home opener this year considering we've opened on the road the past 2 and 4 of the last 5 years. Bears, Jags, or Lions would be ideal, though I have a feeling either Bears or Jags will be a Thursday night game (bad teams from last year that they can run with the 2nd year QB matchup storyline). If it's a division game, give me Miami at home with all of their roster/coaching turnover. Should also mean we won't play them down in Miami until the weather cools off a bit.

[Peter King bringing the hype level down a notch (or ten)]

8 minutes ago, Facts said:

He actually criticized the Patriots pretty badly.

“The Patriots picked a player way higher than the rest of the league projected him to go, and I criticized Bill Belichick for it. Big deal. We all have jobs to do, and sometimes the greatest coach in the game does something I don’t agree with and I point it out.”

Lol this sounds more like an apology than a criticism

[As we move into the next phase of the offseason, I have 2 question marks that still gnaw at me.]

53 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Our run defense issues last year came down to a few issues.

1) Two men named Davis.  Ashtyn and Jarred were both horrible tacklers.  Jarred is gone.  Ashtyn won't have to play as much on early downs hopefully with the infusion of Whitehead and hopefully return to health of Joyner.

2) Terrible first down results.  The secondary was so bad, in part because of the loss of Lawson up front and no appreciable pass rush, that we were facing a lot more 2nd and short and 3rd and short downs.  More runs against us.  Not what you want to see.

3) Inability to bring Safety up.  Because our secondary was so challenged after Bryce Hall, we had to run with two deep Safeties more often than Saleh would normally want to.  His defense prefers to attack the LOS with one Safety (think Jamal).  Well, probably more than anything, that explains why he wanted Gardner in the draft.  Now, with Gardner, Reed, and Hall starting instead of Hall, Echols, and Carter - and with deeper and better depth off the bench, we may see more of what he wants to do, which will directly impact the success of the run defense.

4) JFM out of position.  JFM is more effective from the DT position.  The loss of Lawson forced him to move outside.  Rankins was awful filling in.  Quinnen actually plays the run well.  An interior of JFM and QW will be better than what we had last year.  

None of this means anything without health and good execution, but despite the lack of signing/drafting a new DT, there are reasons to expect the run defense to be better, possibly much better, this year.

Good points. I think a few other things factor in as well and tie into what you said above. First of all, the scheme puts so much emphasis on the DL getting upfield quickly that it often left them out of position in the run game. That puts more pressure on the LBs and safeties to step up and fill gaps. Like you said, the Davis and Davis combo were particularly bad, and while maybe you can get away with that in a 2 gap scheme where the DL aren’t as aggressive off the snap, this scheme punished them for it.

I think in this regard, the loss of Fatukasi is overrated while the addition of Whitehead is underrated. And tying into what you said above about the additions at corner allowing a safety to come down into the box, Whitehead’s impact should be compounded.

Another factor was the overall inexperience at linebacker. Outside of Mosley and Davis, you had a mid season addition of a young player in Quincy Williams and two rookies who were converted safeties getting a lot of reps. Hamsah and Sherwood often got washed out in the run game not just because of their lack of size but also because their inexperience made them slow to react and take poor angles. When the DL is letting offensive linemen get to the second level so frequently, that is a death knell for undersized LBs.

I have no idea how much those guys will improve in this area, if at all (see Darron Lee), but hopefully if they do make the roster and get reps the added experience will help. That said, relying on improved play from that group is extremely dicey because we never saw much improvement last year. I’d be very surprised if they don’t add a veteran at LB to the mix before training camp.

And finally, hopefully all the improvements across the roster in general will make the run defense deficiencies less glaring. An improved offense will mean teams need to pass more, and an improved secondary will allow heavier boxes, cash in on third downs, and maybe even force some damn turnovers for once. If they can just be mediocre against the run, I think that will be good enough.

[Daniel Jeremiah- “Mims, I have been told, is off the charts in the offseason stuff."]

2 hours ago, Scoop24 said:

“Denzel has come back with a real fire. He is phenomenal shape”

jd went in depth on mims in the new Coz interview.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gangs-all-here-ny-jets-football-podcast-from-new-york/id1484134393?i=1000559562860

 

comment at the 11 minute mark. But good 17 minute interview With jd overall.

Listened to that this morning. Here’s the full Mims quote below. Could be (probably?) standard offseason fluff or trying to pump up trade value, but I’d rather be hearing this stuff than not.

[@PFF_George: Jets had a below average draft]

4 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Agree, and I think a lot of it had to do with last year he got a bunch of depth pieces he didn't need to double down upon.

I've put this out there for a few months: how many rookies does a HC really want to see on the field in his 2nd season here? There are only so many you'd want out there without running into too much on-field inexperience overtaking their bump in ceiling potential. 

They drafted 10 players last year; plus 7 more this year - with 5 of them coming by day 2 and 4 of them in the top 40 overall - really is enough.

You can claim they needed more to make up for 2020's class, but it doesn't work that way (not fully, anyway). The later they get picked, the less likely they are to pan out at all, and even if they do the later it often takes (e.g. after 1 year Evan Engram was more productive than Kittle; not so much since then).

After a handful of starters (and still more who see the field a good amount) were drafted in 2021, they were never going to start 8+ more guys from this draft class, even if they'd kept those extra picks. Never mind the 3rd & 4th picks may have been lesser if they'd sat on their hands and "let the draft come to them" (which is a great cliché until Atlanta takes Brett Favre ahead of us, leaving the Jets with Browning Nagle and tears).

Yup. And to add to this, forget starters for a second. How many roster spots, realistically, would have been available to those additional rookies? All seven picks they made are very likely to make the roster. Would the two late 5th round picks have even been guaranteed to make the 53? I think you could make a strong argument that 40+ of the eventual 53 man roster is already set in stone when you factor in the recent draft class, and a good number of those open spots are overwhelmingly likely to go to experienced backups, either those already on the team or late FA additions.

Add in UDFA signings they’d have to compete with and the fact that this draft was already light on talent as it is, and you’re essentially saying that the Jets had a “below average” draft because they didn’t get to make two additional dart throws on guys who I’d say are just as likely to be cut in camp or relegated to the practice squad as they are to even make the bottom of the roster (where the odds are even greater still that they’d be replaced in the next year or two anyway). Maybe its just me, but I’d say those dart throws are better spent on securing the guys you believe in and have a clear plan for.

[Garrett Wilson]

28 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

I’m always gonna lean towards analytic breakdowns when I think of player potential. Moore’s profile put him in high end company while there’s more variance for Wilson. 

Where I think I really like Moore > Wilson is in his elite talent. Moore is an ELITE route runner. Wilson is not truly elite anywhere just really good at almost everything. 

True, but I do think Wilson possesses traits that give him the potential to become an elite route runner, or at least a great one. Understanding leverage, attacking the DBs blind spot consistently, start/stop ability, body control. The physical and mental tools all seem to be there, he just sometimes looks like he gets out over his skis a little bit. Curious as to your thoughts on it.