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Anyone else a fan of Nyheim Hines. Home run threat who could potentially fill a lot of holes. Not an every down back but could be our 3rd down back. Can also play the slot and has college receiver experience. Kick and punt returner. Feels like a valuable piece when you consider our needs on offense and specials. Another player is Kalen Ballage. They call him a freak athlete who doesn't understand the nuances of the position but has over the top measurables. Isn't Stump Mitchell a really good RB coach? FB/H-Back Dimitri Flowers later in the draft? Kid had zero drop passes last season, looks like a nice dependable weapon for a young QB, especially if it's Baker. Picking 3rd or later, feels like there will be a few good options.

Like all 4. What's amazing is by this point, you usually see one take hold of the #1 spot. Really liked Lamar Jackson. No longer since I feel like he's going to end up in the AFCE

Still wish we stayed at 6, taking Jackson, and keeping the 2nds which could have maybe been a Key, or Michel, or Jones. But I am pretty convinced at this point the Jets are taking Baker Mayfield. Which is crazy when I think back to the start of the offseason. I'm starting to become a fan, just stressing all the great things he did in college and believing it will translate to the NFL. This is from someone who liked Baker the least when it all started. But I'm a Jet fan and Baker will be the spawn of Brees/Young when he becomes a Jet.

When we were at 6 I was hoping Lamar would be the pick. Now that the Jets have moved up to 3 it is now a guarantee he wont be a Jet. I still believe it would have been better to stay at 6, take Lamar, and keep the second rounders. Now I just hope whoever we take at 3 is a star. With all the talk of Lamar getting injured, he's the only one who didn't miss any playing time in college.

So Fitz and McCown had career years in spite of Bowles? And Petty and Hack will shine for the next team they play for because Bowles is out of the picture?

still young.

I started this thread and I have been wanting Jackson way before the trade up to 3. I still want Jackson at 3. I hate the what if game as well. Am a fan until draft day until he ends up on another team. But yes I preferred staying at 6, taking Jackson, and keeping the 2nd round picks to pick up an edge, O line, something along those lines.

Youre right. I hate to be that fan because whats done is done. But if we did stay at 6, I would have loved to go into the season with Jackson and 2 very good second round prospects who could have been difference makers, and not cared if we missed out on the top 4 QBs

Still wish we stayed at 6. Still hoping the Jets shock the world at 6. https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-cosells-draft-analysis-lamar-jackson-can-execute-nfl-passing-game-145150269.html When I watch Lamar Jackson on film I think about the Houston Texans last season. You look at what Bill O’Brien did with Deshaun Watson and I wonder, why couldn’t Jackson execute that offensive system effectively? In studying Jackson’s tape from 2016 and 2017, you see a quarterback who can operate effectively within framework of a structured passing game. Louisville’s offense had a number of NFL pass game concepts, and that’s a plus for Jackson. There’s also a spectacular dimension to Jackson’s game that shows up with both designed runs and second-reaction throws and runs. Jackson will be polarizing in draft rooms. Teams will have to weigh Jackson’s second-reaction playmaking, which is outstanding, and his pocket efficiency, an area in which some work is needed. Though, Jackson has shown the ability to operate in an NFL-style offense. The big question will become: What can and can’t be coached with Jackson, and what’s simply in his playing DNA when it comes to pocket stability? There’s clearly an elite playmaking dimension with Jackson. Let’s take a long look at one of the most intriguing players in this draft class: STRENGTHS To state the obvious first, Jackson has outstanding ability as a runner. His NFL team can design a run game around Jackson’s skills, and he’ll make plays running the ball through second-reaction improvisation. Jackson will give his team an explosive quarterback run game with multiple dimensions and backfield actions. That type of offense can be very hard to defend, as we’ve seen with Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers. Here’s an example of a designed run off a read option that Jackson broke for a 61-yard touchdown in the 2015 Music City Bowl. This is why Jackson’s NFL team will likely feature him on designed runs. Louisville featured many different designed runs, such as zone read and quarterback power, counter, draw or sweep, with some pistol runs as well. Here’s an example of what Jackson can do when he improvises. While an NFL team doesn’t want to make improvisation the foundation of its offense, Jackson will make plays like this when things break down. You won’t find much debate about Jackson’s ability to make things happen with his legs. It’s part of what made him a very productive player at Louisville. The debate is about Jackson’s ability to operate from the pocket. Though those questions are fair (and we’ll discuss them in a moment), I think Jackson has some good pocket skills already. Part of that is the college experience he had. Louisville ran an offense with a lot of NFL concepts: mesh routes, sit routes, wheel routes and flat routes. You’d see two-man route concepts to the boundary, or short side of the field (like slant/flat combinations), and three-man route concepts to the field, or wide side. You’d see dagger and high-low concepts with other options built in, like posts, outs and flat routes. You see all of those things in NFL offenses. You’ll hear a lot about the work Jackson needs as he enters the NFL, and some of that will be fair, but what must also be mentioned is that Jackson ran an offense with a lot of passing-game concepts you see on Sundays — and he was highly productive doing so. It’s important for an NFL quarterback to show timing and anticipation, and you saw that at times from Jackson. When the throw was defined within the initial timing of the drop, Jackson looked very comfortable as a passer. Here’s a good example, a 74-yard touchdown pass in 2016 against NC State, in which he sets up in the pocket and made a nice downfield throw within the timing of the play (it comes at 0:18 on the video below): View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More On this 30-yard touchdown against Marshall, Jackson makes a good throw from the pocket. He shows good pace and touch here, which is necessary in the NFL. He makes the right read, throws it on time and with accuracy for the score (0:37 on the video below): View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More While Jackson’s ability in the pocket has been debated, he isn’t entirely raw. He had a good feel for the pass-game concepts in Louisville’s offense, including progression reading. He flashed ability to move in the pocket and then reset with his eyes staying focused downfield. He is very good at making tight-window throws between the hashes (he’s more advanced at that than throwing outside the numbers, which is where some accuracy issues show up) against zone coverage, throwing into voids in the coverage and leading his receivers. There are questions about Jackson’s ability from the pocket, but he has some pluses in that area. WEAKNESSES Physically, there are a few questions about Jackson as a thrower. He’s a short-arm thrower whose delivery is not smooth or natural. He often lacks a firm base. That limits what at times is a lively arm. There are concerns about accuracy. He has a lack of consistent ball placement, especially outside the numbers. Some of that could be fixed with improved mechanics — he had a tendency to throw with all arm at times and not get his core involved with weight transfer. There are other issues with footwork on his drops, and he can keep his feet too close together in the pocket, but these are things that NFL teams will try to improve with coaching. What needs to be looked at very carefully is his reaction to pressure and collapsing pockets. When I looked at his 2016 and 2017 tape, that’s an issue that consistently came up, and it’s concerning. In particular, against Clemson and NC State last season he played fast when he got pressured. He would then perceive pressure and move when he did not need to, and that breaks down the timing of a passing game. He would have a tendency to break down too quickly in the pocket and play to his legs when he sensed pressure, and when you see that it leads to the questions about whether Jackson can adjust his game to get rid of that tendency. Here’s an example against Clemson last season. On a third-down play, Jackson breaks down almost immediately even though there’s no pressure. He tried to reset but the timing of the play was thrown off and he ran. He was stopped short of the first down: View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More Here’s another play later in the game in which Jackson senses the rush before he even hit the final step of his drop-back, and he immediately looked to pull the ball down and run. View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More There were snaps in which Jackson had too active a helmet, when he saw everything and saw nothing at the same time. NFL quarterbacks have to be able to oftentimes ignore the rush, stay in the pocket with a calm helmet and deliver the pass within the structure of the play. Jackson has shown he can do that. His NFL team will have to see if he can eliminate the plays in which he is too sensitive to pressure. There are more bodies around the quarterback in the NFL, and that tends to lead to more premature and random movement. Though Jackson needs refinement, that’s not unusual for a young quarterback. TRANSITION TO NFL In 2016, Jackson won a Heisman Trophy. But in 2017 you more regularly saw a quarterback who can operate effectively within framework of a structured passing game. Jackson executed many NFL concepts in Louisville’s offense and can do the same in the NFL. And there’s no question what he can bring to a team’s run game. There were also a few games over the past couple years in which Jackson was overly frenetic in the pocket due to pressure and broke down too quickly. That type of performance does not transition well to the NFL. Then the evaluation of Jackson as an NFL quarterback will be a function of one’s belief in the needed balance between consistent pocket play — and how and if that can be taught and refined — and the playmaking dimension Jackson brings.

Agree agree agree. I prefer Jackson plus two premium picks which could have been edge and OL. I prefer that scenario than just having Rosen or Allen or Baker.

Watching that you figure our offense is McCown flinging it deep to Anderson.

Should have stayed at 6 and picked Jackson. Doesn't Jackson and maybe a 2nd round edge rusher, and OL sound better than Rosen Allen Baker

I'm the fan that wanted to stay at 6, save the picks, and draft Jackson.

After QB, edge and OL are glaring. Is it good or bad 50% of the projected starters were drafted by NYJ

I will be sure to praise @Villain The Foe if Baker is a Jet and is a great QB