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  1. Ive been talking Jackson all off season. Now that Darnold is a Jet, I am super excited. Can't wait to see this kid grow into his potential.
  2. Mayfield is also the oldest and most experienced so maybe the other prospects have time to grow.
  3. I'm good. My posts have been a butt fumble magnet all off season. Believe prospects should have elite tools.
  4. On JetNation record. My preference is Lamar Jackson, but Josh Allen is my #2 and a great consolation prize.
  5. I dont see the baker Brees comparison. But since it's being made, I wonder what Brees numbers would be if he had to play in the the northeast for his career outside of a dome.
  6. Would still take him at 3. Again, there is no other player in this draft, not even the top 4 QBs, that would increase the Jets offensive production in 2018 more than Lamar Jackson. Let’s flip this Lamar Jackson script to better grasp the potential. For all of the reality-check projections of how the former Louisville quarterback will inspire his next team to create a specially designed offense that features his blazing speed as a complement to the rocket arm, Jackson is a nightmare waiting to happen for NFL defensive coordinators. Where’s the extra defender? “If everybody does their job, somebody still has to tackle him,” a veteran NFL defensive coach, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told USA TODAY Sports as he pondered Jackson’s draft stock. The coach did not want to be identified because he is not authorized to speak about draft prospects. “Say that you have a fast defensive end who runs a 4.8 (in the 40-yard dash) in position to contain him. Well, Jackson runs a 4.3. Now what? “In the NFL, it’s usually a safety … but that just opens up the middle of the field.” And therein lies a practical scenario that leads me to think that despite the four quarterbacks widely touted as top-10 picks — Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Baker Mayfield — Jackson looms as the most intriguing player in the entire NFL draft. Sure, in a passing league where people still slobber over traditional dropback throwers and where we’ve already witnessed various versions of the “mobile quarterback,” the team that selects Jackson will have to go all-in to employ another degree of out-the-box thinking. Kind of like Houston coach Bill O’Brien did last year in overhauling his offense on the fly around Deshaun Watson. Jackson fuels hope that he, too, will be a torch-bearer for another new wave of prolific playmaking because he can sling it while he happens to be the fastest player on the field. “He’s a dynamic playmaker,” Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis, with his rich defensive background, told USA TODAY Sports. “You can’t discount that.” Lewis knows. In Week 2 last season, his Bengals were victimized in Watson’s breakout game — which included a 49-yard TD run on a busted play as he sparked an upset in his first NFL start. Jackson, with a Heisman Trophy on his resume, is even faster than Watson. Like Michael Vick fast. Although Hall of Fame GM Bill Polian ignited debate in February with the absurd assertion that Jackson would be better served by switching to receiver (to which Jackson seemingly responded by refusing to run the 40-yard dash at the NFL scouting combine or at Louisville’s Pro Day), it’s been striking during the pre-draft process to note the teams showing interest. Lewis, with the 21st pick in the first round, said the Bengals have invested a lot of time on Jackson, who is roughly the same size (6-2 ½, 216) as Cincinnati quarterback Andy Dalton. Baltimore, Jacksonville and New Orleans – which all could conceivably groom long-term options to succeed Joe Flacco, Blake Bortles and the great Drew Brees, respectively – have talked up Jackson. Of course, this is the time of year for smokescreens. But you never know. Word has also leaked that New England and crafty Bill Belichick had Jackson in Foxborough, Mass., as one of the 30 visits teams can conduct with out-of-town draft prospects ... which prompted a thumb’s up on Instagram from Tom Brady, who concluded, “He’s a beast!” Bucky Brooks, the former NFL scout turned expert analyst for NFL Media, thinks the interest from Belichick (who once took a flyer on Tim Tebow) is legit. Noted Brooks: “I believe after watching Deshaun Watson tear up his defense, he said, ‘I want a player like Lamar Jackson.’ “ Watson, by the way, produced his first NFL 300-yard passing game, plus 41 rushing yards, during a near-upset at Foxborough in Week 3. “One of the things that I think we as coaches, we all understand this: There’s not going to be another Drew Brees clone that we draft,” Saints coach Sean Payton, with the 27th pick in the first round, told USA TODAY Sports. “One of our jobs is to look closely at the things that player does best. “With Lamar, you feel it in the room. You can tell that he can lead. So if he’s your quarterback, you start looking closely at the things he did well at Louisville and you build that way.” Scrutiny of Jackson includes questions about his 59.1% completion rate last season and his mechanics as a passer. Yet that came with a depleted receiving corps and too many dropped passes. Jackson has drawn praise from draft experts for his decision-making, ability to throw on the run and his deep passes. And then, of course, there’s that threat to run. It also matters that Jackson was groomed in a pro-style offense traced to the scheme that Tom Coughlin employed during his first stint in Jacksonville, when current Louisville coach Bobby Petrino was an assistant. “To be able to play quarterback for Bobby, that’s a positive that Lamar has had,” Lewis said. It’s fair to wonder about the risk of running too much, even as the use of RPOs (run-pass options) gains steam in the NFL, as exemplified by Super Bowl champion Philadelphia with Carson Wentz and Nick Foles, and the way Kansas City coach Andy Reid deployed the since-departed Alex Smith. Watson’s phenomenal rookie year was cut short by injury, and Robert Griffin III’s NFL career has been marked by injury setbacks, among other factors. Those cases provide a warning, and may scare teams inclined to build with a dropback passer. But Cam Newton and Russell Wilson have thrived, providing weekly warnings for opposing defenses. Jackson’s success could hinge on how much and in what situations, he’s called on to run. According to The Undefeated, 73% of Jackson’s runs at Louisville were designed runs – a rate that won’t cut it in the NFL. Improvisational speed is the ticket. “I don’t think I’d design runs for him,” former Arizona coach Bruce Arians told The Arizona Republic. “I would just let him, ala Russell Wilson, take what’s there and whoosh, take off running.” Which is surely the script that makes Jackson such a hot commodity. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/bell/2018/04/23/why-louisville-quarterback-lamar-jackson-most-intriguing-player-nfl-draft/543665002/
  7. I think OP agrees with trading up. I'm fine with it too at this point. Whoever we get at 3 I'm going to be a huge fan. I prefer and still do staying at 6 and taking Jackson and keeping 3 premium 2nd round picks. I'm a Jackson fan till Thursday night and then don't care what he does. And will be a Jackson hater if he ends up in the AFCE
  8. JetBlue, I've been saying this for a long time. Lots of butt fumbles, down votes. But yes I would have preferred staying at 6, taking Jackson, and keeping the 2nd round picks to bolster other position groups. To add, there have been recent articles that Jackson ran a similar offense at Lousiville to the Patriots, Arians joking he would come out of retirement if the Cardinals picked Jackson. There are no guarantees but I am the most confident in saying there is not another player in this draft who would have given the Jets a bigger offensive boost than Jackson for 2018. Period. He knows how to create offense with a subpar offensive line and weapons, which he did all of last season. Jackson didn't win the pre-draft process but I believe he ends being the most productive QB from this class.
  9. Anyone else a fan of Nyheim Hines. Home run threat who could potentially fill a lot of holes. Not an every down back but could be our 3rd down back. Can also play the slot and has college receiver experience. Kick and punt returner. Feels like a valuable piece when you consider our needs on offense and specials. Another player is Kalen Ballage. They call him a freak athlete who doesn't understand the nuances of the position but has over the top measurables. Isn't Stump Mitchell a really good RB coach? FB/H-Back Dimitri Flowers later in the draft? Kid had zero drop passes last season, looks like a nice dependable weapon for a young QB, especially if it's Baker. Picking 3rd or later, feels like there will be a few good options.
  10. Like all 4. What's amazing is by this point, you usually see one take hold of the #1 spot. Really liked Lamar Jackson. No longer since I feel like he's going to end up in the AFCE
  11. Still wish we stayed at 6, taking Jackson, and keeping the 2nds which could have maybe been a Key, or Michel, or Jones. But I am pretty convinced at this point the Jets are taking Baker Mayfield. Which is crazy when I think back to the start of the offseason. I'm starting to become a fan, just stressing all the great things he did in college and believing it will translate to the NFL. This is from someone who liked Baker the least when it all started. But I'm a Jet fan and Baker will be the spawn of Brees/Young when he becomes a Jet.
  12. When we were at 6 I was hoping Lamar would be the pick. Now that the Jets have moved up to 3 it is now a guarantee he wont be a Jet. I still believe it would have been better to stay at 6, take Lamar, and keep the second rounders. Now I just hope whoever we take at 3 is a star. With all the talk of Lamar getting injured, he's the only one who didn't miss any playing time in college.
  13. So Fitz and McCown had career years in spite of Bowles? And Petty and Hack will shine for the next team they play for because Bowles is out of the picture?
  14. I started this thread and I have been wanting Jackson way before the trade up to 3. I still want Jackson at 3. I hate the what if game as well. Am a fan until draft day until he ends up on another team. But yes I preferred staying at 6, taking Jackson, and keeping the 2nd round picks to pick up an edge, O line, something along those lines.
  15. Youre right. I hate to be that fan because whats done is done. But if we did stay at 6, I would have loved to go into the season with Jackson and 2 very good second round prospects who could have been difference makers, and not cared if we missed out on the top 4 QBs
  16. Still wish we stayed at 6. Still hoping the Jets shock the world at 6. https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-cosells-draft-analysis-lamar-jackson-can-execute-nfl-passing-game-145150269.html When I watch Lamar Jackson on film I think about the Houston Texans last season. You look at what Bill O’Brien did with Deshaun Watson and I wonder, why couldn’t Jackson execute that offensive system effectively? In studying Jackson’s tape from 2016 and 2017, you see a quarterback who can operate effectively within framework of a structured passing game. Louisville’s offense had a number of NFL pass game concepts, and that’s a plus for Jackson. There’s also a spectacular dimension to Jackson’s game that shows up with both designed runs and second-reaction throws and runs. Jackson will be polarizing in draft rooms. Teams will have to weigh Jackson’s second-reaction playmaking, which is outstanding, and his pocket efficiency, an area in which some work is needed. Though, Jackson has shown the ability to operate in an NFL-style offense. The big question will become: What can and can’t be coached with Jackson, and what’s simply in his playing DNA when it comes to pocket stability? There’s clearly an elite playmaking dimension with Jackson. Let’s take a long look at one of the most intriguing players in this draft class: STRENGTHS To state the obvious first, Jackson has outstanding ability as a runner. His NFL team can design a run game around Jackson’s skills, and he’ll make plays running the ball through second-reaction improvisation. Jackson will give his team an explosive quarterback run game with multiple dimensions and backfield actions. That type of offense can be very hard to defend, as we’ve seen with Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers. Here’s an example of a designed run off a read option that Jackson broke for a 61-yard touchdown in the 2015 Music City Bowl. This is why Jackson’s NFL team will likely feature him on designed runs. Louisville featured many different designed runs, such as zone read and quarterback power, counter, draw or sweep, with some pistol runs as well. Here’s an example of what Jackson can do when he improvises. While an NFL team doesn’t want to make improvisation the foundation of its offense, Jackson will make plays like this when things break down. You won’t find much debate about Jackson’s ability to make things happen with his legs. It’s part of what made him a very productive player at Louisville. The debate is about Jackson’s ability to operate from the pocket. Though those questions are fair (and we’ll discuss them in a moment), I think Jackson has some good pocket skills already. Part of that is the college experience he had. Louisville ran an offense with a lot of NFL concepts: mesh routes, sit routes, wheel routes and flat routes. You’d see two-man route concepts to the boundary, or short side of the field (like slant/flat combinations), and three-man route concepts to the field, or wide side. You’d see dagger and high-low concepts with other options built in, like posts, outs and flat routes. You see all of those things in NFL offenses. You’ll hear a lot about the work Jackson needs as he enters the NFL, and some of that will be fair, but what must also be mentioned is that Jackson ran an offense with a lot of passing-game concepts you see on Sundays — and he was highly productive doing so. It’s important for an NFL quarterback to show timing and anticipation, and you saw that at times from Jackson. When the throw was defined within the initial timing of the drop, Jackson looked very comfortable as a passer. Here’s a good example, a 74-yard touchdown pass in 2016 against NC State, in which he sets up in the pocket and made a nice downfield throw within the timing of the play (it comes at 0:18 on the video below): View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More On this 30-yard touchdown against Marshall, Jackson makes a good throw from the pocket. He shows good pace and touch here, which is necessary in the NFL. He makes the right read, throws it on time and with accuracy for the score (0:37 on the video below): View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/ACCDigitalNetwork screen shot) More While Jackson’s ability in the pocket has been debated, he isn’t entirely raw. He had a good feel for the pass-game concepts in Louisville’s offense, including progression reading. He flashed ability to move in the pocket and then reset with his eyes staying focused downfield. He is very good at making tight-window throws between the hashes (he’s more advanced at that than throwing outside the numbers, which is where some accuracy issues show up) against zone coverage, throwing into voids in the coverage and leading his receivers. There are questions about Jackson’s ability from the pocket, but he has some pluses in that area. WEAKNESSES Physically, there are a few questions about Jackson as a thrower. He’s a short-arm thrower whose delivery is not smooth or natural. He often lacks a firm base. That limits what at times is a lively arm. There are concerns about accuracy. He has a lack of consistent ball placement, especially outside the numbers. Some of that could be fixed with improved mechanics — he had a tendency to throw with all arm at times and not get his core involved with weight transfer. There are other issues with footwork on his drops, and he can keep his feet too close together in the pocket, but these are things that NFL teams will try to improve with coaching. What needs to be looked at very carefully is his reaction to pressure and collapsing pockets. When I looked at his 2016 and 2017 tape, that’s an issue that consistently came up, and it’s concerning. In particular, against Clemson and NC State last season he played fast when he got pressured. He would then perceive pressure and move when he did not need to, and that breaks down the timing of a passing game. He would have a tendency to break down too quickly in the pocket and play to his legs when he sensed pressure, and when you see that it leads to the questions about whether Jackson can adjust his game to get rid of that tendency. Here’s an example against Clemson last season. On a third-down play, Jackson breaks down almost immediately even though there’s no pressure. He tried to reset but the timing of the play was thrown off and he ran. He was stopped short of the first down: View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More Here’s another play later in the game in which Jackson senses the rush before he even hit the final step of his drop-back, and he immediately looked to pull the ball down and run. View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More View photos (YouTube.com/TigerTV screen shot) More There were snaps in which Jackson had too active a helmet, when he saw everything and saw nothing at the same time. NFL quarterbacks have to be able to oftentimes ignore the rush, stay in the pocket with a calm helmet and deliver the pass within the structure of the play. Jackson has shown he can do that. His NFL team will have to see if he can eliminate the plays in which he is too sensitive to pressure. There are more bodies around the quarterback in the NFL, and that tends to lead to more premature and random movement. Though Jackson needs refinement, that’s not unusual for a young quarterback. TRANSITION TO NFL In 2016, Jackson won a Heisman Trophy. But in 2017 you more regularly saw a quarterback who can operate effectively within framework of a structured passing game. Jackson executed many NFL concepts in Louisville’s offense and can do the same in the NFL. And there’s no question what he can bring to a team’s run game. There were also a few games over the past couple years in which Jackson was overly frenetic in the pocket due to pressure and broke down too quickly. That type of performance does not transition well to the NFL. Then the evaluation of Jackson as an NFL quarterback will be a function of one’s belief in the needed balance between consistent pocket play — and how and if that can be taught and refined — and the playmaking dimension Jackson brings.
  17. Agree agree agree. I prefer Jackson plus two premium picks which could have been edge and OL. I prefer that scenario than just having Rosen or Allen or Baker.
  18. Watching that you figure our offense is McCown flinging it deep to Anderson.
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