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  1. 6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    Boy, you sure like making points for people that they're not even close to making.  

    Fun characteristic for anyone posting on a message board, that's for sure.

    Check out the mirror - I was making my point not anyone else's.

  2. 8 hours ago, Biggs said:

    Yet Alex Smith was pretty much the same guy with Harbaugh, Reid,  Gruden and Rivera.   Tom Brady does the same stuff with BB and Arians.  Kurt Warner when healthy is pretty much the same guy with Mike Martz as he is with Ken Whisenhunt.  

    Brett Favre had one of his greatest all time seasons in MN with Brad Childress as his HC.  

    Sam Darnold is the same guy with Gase and Rhule.  

    Personally I can't understand why we make excuses for QB's who wash out.

    wasn't making an excuse for anyone - in fact the opposite; i was suggesting that a good player could easily have been ruined by an incompetent franchise - i think it is overly simplistic to assume that a great qb would be great regardless on the team, coaching, etc. Some players do better in one scheme than another. How good would Lamar Jackson be if they didn't create an offense around his strength. Tibow played well in Denver but no where else. But, sure, coaching, scheme and players don't mean anything. But whatever.

  3. 10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    No, because you're objectively and quantifiably wrong on this one.

    LOL - so, no point drafting or building a team; no point surrounding a QB with talent; no point finding a good coach/qb coach. If you are good you are good and if you are not you are not - LOL.

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  4. 4 hours ago, jgb said:

    The problem with this approach is it never leads to any conclusions. Good QB? Maybe it’s his surroundings. Bad QB? Same thing. GMs don’t have a way to evaluate players under laboratory conditions with all variables controlled and nor do we.

    My simple evaluation model has been pretty durn accurate — good football players play good football. Yes, it missed the Josh Allen turnaround but screamed “move on” for dozens of failed QBs over the years. If you judge any model by it’s failings, they all fail. I’ll stick with it until someone demonstrates a more accurate one.

    No problem; Moholmes is a great QB. It doesn't necessarily mean that he would have been great or even good. Of course we don't know and we can only go by what happened. Personally, I can't understand people thinking that no matter where a QB lands, he is going to turn out the same.

    Agree to disagree.

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  5. 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    Yes, I still think Watson would have been very good here and could have potentially been traded for more than Adams got moved for.  Because QBs are not held back by circumstances at the level many Jets fans believe.

    And I dunno if you’ve been paying attention, but the Texans are a trash organization.  They moved Hopkins for peanuts and even AFTER that Watson had a top tier season.  

    Yes, but Watson had some good/great receivers and a pretty damn good offensive coach for a while. I think a lot of fans think that a potentially grate QB can come into any org and win it all - quite frankly, it is hard to say how good/bad Watson or Maholmes would have been had they come here. I have seen too many potentially good QBs ruined by the Jets - Sanchez was never the same after the beating he took by the Ravens and then he tried to do too much until he was just ruined. Had he walked into a situation as good as KC (good team good coach) - who knows what he was capable of? I don't think Maholmes talent (at all), but who knows how good.

    Transitioning into the NFL is not easy - get going down a bad path, and you just free-fall IMO...

  6. On 6/9/2022 at 10:16 PM, Jetsfan80 said:

    I mean…did you see what Houston was able to get in the deal for Watson?  

    Honestly, how good do you think either of these players would have been on the Jets? Poor talent, poor depth, poor coaching, poor drafting - does anyone really think either player would have been considered a winner? Do you think the Watson trade would have been worth the same 3 picks?

  7. 1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

    I'm a bit suprised I have to explain this but the team is not suspending him, the league is. The Browns knew this was a possibility when they signed him. Slats explained the salary gets dropped to the league minimum  so he counts about 20 million  with the pro-rated  signing bonus. 

    It appears that he does not get his salary for any games that he misses, but since he was already paid the signing bonus the prorated portion DOES count against the cap. As Watson has a limited salary this year, it does not affect him too badly and Cleveland takes the salary cap hit no matter how long he is suspended.

    This from an article quoting Browns FO: 

    The enormous new contract that the Browns gave Deshaun Watson was structured in a way that could protect Watson from the financial consequences if he’s suspended for sexually assaulting female massage therapists. But the Browns say that wasn’t the intent behind the structure of the contract.

    Browns General Manager Andrew Berry said the contract giving Watson a huge $44.965 million signing bonus and a minimum base salary this season of $1.035 million was not intended to minimize Watson’s financial losses from a suspension. Berry said it was just a part of the Browns’ salary cap management.

    As such, in addition to sending a ton of draft capital, they weren't even smart about the contract.

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  8. 20 hours ago, Jet9 said:

    They pretty much told the guy to go F himself and now he has to act like a pro? I don't even like the guy but come on. 

    Yes; and right now everyone, even the ones who never liked him (professionally or personally) are getting his back; everyone is calling out Cleveland for being stupid and a joke. He should parlay that attitude towards his future. Only way the tide turns is if he acts like a baby, mopes, and refuses to play.

    Instead of people wondering what kind of tool he must be for Cleveland to dump him and give aways all that draft capital and money - they are looking at the Browns organization as clueless. He should enjoy watching the FO look like fools and show the world how stupid they were by acting like a pro and playing the best he can - all the sympathy and the narrative is on his side - he should throw that away (and any of his 18 million) to give them the finger - yep - that would make sense.

  9. 6 hours ago, Warfish said:

    If I am Baker, with the millions I already have in my pocket, I stand firm:

    Trade me, because I'm not playing for you Browns.  

    This was the Browns choice, not his.  And the Browns should live with that decision.

    Yes, Baker could "play for his next contract", but the Browns could also franchise tag him, for multiple years to come.  

    Screw that noise, separate now.  I'd rather be a backup with a team that wants me than start for a team that didn't.

    Since the Browns started this, I have no issue with Baker using his own leverage now.  I'm not usually a hold out supporter, but in this case I'm happy to make an exception.

    Then again, I'm one of the very few here who liked Baker coming out, and still likes Baker to some degree.

    Browns are a joke - they gave away the store for a guy they had to pay a ton of money and who will likely not play this year. They look like buffoons - they won't be able to franchise tag Baker next year unless Watson is suspended as they don't have any money; they can't pick his replacement as they don't have any 1sts.

    That being said, Baker is under contract and there has got to be some 'issues' or the browns wouldn't have done the deal (or that is at least what other teams would think). Smart money is to play his butt off (unless they ban him from training camp), earn his money and wait to be traded, released, or until FA. Take the high road and he will be in the best position to move on. Sitting out just costs him money - Say the right things, and do the right things - sooner or later the Browns will have to blink.

  10. we should hope for significant progress; some of that should mean more wins (doubling to 8 is a good target) but also how the team plays within wins and losses. For example, they can't get simply blown out like last year - at least not as many times.

    Next year we can talk about playoff. mandate.

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  11. LOL - if the Jets and the Bucs switched teams, Bowles would be at the bottom and Salleh would be in the. middle for three reasons:

    1. The media by and large hate the Jets

    2. Nothing makes a coach look better than a stacked team in a weak division (no QBs or proven FOs)

    3. The only thing that makes a coach look better than #2 is a HOF QB.

    When Bowles was with the Jets media talked about how he sucked; now he is a genius. - gotta love it.

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  12. 3 hours ago, slats said:

    The whole team was rookies. My feeling is that the rookie head coach and rookie OC really thought taking over the NY Jets was gonna be a lot easier than it turned out to be. 

    While I agree with most of what you wrote, I don't think that Saleh had any illusions about how hard turning around the team was going to be. JD too. They showed tremendous patience last year. They didn't panic when the team and Wilson started off so badly; first the O was terrible and then the D showed their flaws. Many were calling for LaFleur's head; free White, free Mims, etc. The staff showed patience and confidence. JD is showing the same patience and confidence as well.

    I am hoping for a doubling of wins, but in reality as long as the team is dramatically improved, in all of the games, and Wilson takes a big step forward. IMO, the team gets the time this year to improve. Next year, however, it may be playoffs or bust - it would be time.

  13. So here is the rationale - if the Jets are a bad roster in the midst of a complete 'rebuild' yes, JD made a mistake by choosing quality over quantity. Last draft, he did the opposite, he traded down to get more picks (and there were times he was 'challenged' for it).

    If you think the 'rebuild' is over and now we are in normal build mode where you have a reasonable roster, but you are trying to plug certain spots, you can go for quality over quantity. As the roster improves, it gets harder and harder to draft players that will improve the roster, so often you have to trade up (or there are just players you really want) get them.

    Between last year's draft and the 2 free agency periods, I think you are hearing JD declare the full rebuild is over. If you count the number of players (or more importantly starters) that are still here since JD came on board, I think you might agree. We have reasonable players at OL, WR, RB, DL, CB, S, and even TE; while there are clearly gaps, this is a relatively complete team and you can see UDFA in certain positions choosing to go elsewhere. Even Captain Morgan knew he wouldn't get to play here :-).

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