Jump to content


  • Posts

  • Joined

  • Last visited

Everything posted by nyjbuddy

  1. I heard somewhere that Junior WRs are more successful than their Senior counterparts but can't remember the source. Not saying it is true or have any data to back it but just remember hearing it on a podcast.
  2. What about for the QB and WR positions? I would imagine there is a maturity factor for these players early in their careers. I know age is not directly linked to maturity but it does link to the amount of experience on and off the field players have had. Does Goff being 2 years younger and recently turning 21 factor in to being selected to lead the locker room and handle himself off the field? Same goes for Treadwell vs Doctson as wide receivers tend to have a confidence about them that is often associated with immaturity. Would always want to have a younger player longevity-wise but issues tend to come up due to immaturity which we've seen can cut players' career's short.
  3. A few years ago, Brandon Weeden was scrutinized during the 2012 draft as being the oldest first round draft pick at 28 years old. This was definitely an outlier but is age considered when selecting a player? I understand it is not a big factor, but does it even come into play? Here are some examples in this years draft: By the way, I am not comparing ability but using players in the same position that have ages that will be significantly different at the beginning of the season. Using the 8/8/2016 as the start of the season (approximate age): RB: Ezekiel Elliott: 21 years 7 weeks Derek Henry: 22 years 8 weeks C.J. Prosise: 22 years 16 weeks Devontae Booker: 24 years 15 weeks QB: Christian Hackenberg: 21 years 29 weeks Jared Goff: 21 years 47 weeks Brandon Allen: 24 years 5 weeks Joel Stave: 24 years 17 weeks Cardale Jones: 24 years 3 weeks Kevin Hogan: 23 years 46 weeks Carson Wentz: 23 years 36 weeks WR: Laquon Treadwell: 21 years 12 weeks Pharoh Cooper: 21 years 26 weeks Braxton Miller: 23 years 40 weeks Josh Docton: 23 years 40 weeks Nelson Spruce: 23 years 40 weeks
  4. Hopefully Bullard falls to the second round only because I like your first 4 better
  5. Slight Dropper: Myles Jack Big Dropper: Robert Nkemdiche Riser: Kamalei Correa
  6. More of a hope more than anything else: Ezekiel Elliott. Especially after the Jets revamped the backfield. But perhaps Elliott falls due to character concerns: loves to party, driving with a suspended license (multiple citations), post-game comments about play calling, devaluation of RBs, etc. Minor things, I know, but would be best player available.
  7. I believe Fitzpatrick is a starter in this league, maybe not in the top half of the league, but still useful as a starter. With that being said I do not understand the argument that Fitzpatrick is a back-up talent QB and the Jets should pay him back-up QB money. I don't disagree with differing talent evaluation, as everyone has their own opinion, but I don't see who the starter would be if the Jets are just trying to sign Fitzpatrick as a back-up QB. Secondly, what is preventing Fitzpatrick from signing and then just playing in the backup role and collecting a pay check? He is near the end of his career, according to the market, he has little respect in the league, nobody believes he is a starter in this league. He may very well feel disrespected and want to stick it to the Jets. Having a player under contract that doesn't feel they are being compensate properly is dangerous, especially at the QB position. To paraphrase Elway, building a team with players who want to be here. Maybe he goes into the year not preparing as well, not working as hard, skipping workouts. By the time the season starts, the Jets would be forced to find a starter that is on their roster (Smith, Petty, drafted QB, etc) or scrabbling to sign a free agent to come in and learn the offense in limited time while also cutting others to free up cap space. If they cut Fitzpatrick, he walks away with whatever guaranteed money he signed for and he would have not done anything. The same result if he doesn't sign at all.
  8. And as soon as I posted this: Which make the idea obsolete
  9. Does this mean that Jets are no longer (or were never) interested in Kaepernick? Or maybe Jets/Broncos are making moves so that the price for the Kaepernick trade goes down? If teams in the Kaepernick pursuit find viable options, maybe the price for the 49ers comes down to a 3rd or 4th. Let's say the Jets sign RG3 and drop from the pursuit of Kaepernick. That only leaves Cleveland (with the 2nd pick) and the Broncos which just signed Sanchez. The trade market for Kaepernick dries up and Broncos could pursue with a lower draft pick. Likewise, if the Broncos believe they can take their chances with Sanchez and the draft (probably not a great idea). So they pull out of the Kaepernick pursuit. Perhaps the Jets attempt to trade for Kaepernick for a 3rd/4th rather than the 2nd.
  10. Agreed Fitzpatrick should not be the "standard" for comparison. I just keep seeing that Fitzpatrick should come back to the Jets and that he may be the "best" option for the Jets as of right now. So making the comparison that there could be a similar option (statistically) that is younger but is more injury prone and more expensive was the intent. I just wanted to see what other people's view of Bradford would be in this context. If you could somehow restructure Bradford's contract to be not as expensive and hedge against injury, is a younger Fitzpatrick (statistically) an option? I realize now that the answer is that Bradford would not be a viable option.
  11. Yup, the injury history and salary are definite issues. In the original post I had proposed a trade with Wilkerson and the 20th for Bradford and the 8th. Again I could be really far off on the trade value for both sides. But it would allow the Jets to move up from the 8th, rather than the 20th, to get a QB. Thoughts?
  12. No problem, was just dumping what was on my mind anyway. Sorry for the long post probably could have asked the question without the details.
  13. What if he were to restructure his contract (not sure why he would or could)? But lets say he lowered his contract to something along the lines of $12-14 mil a year with incentives that take him to $18 million. Incentives based on availability and performance i.e. him being healthy and making the playoffs. Or is it that he is not worth any price at all?
  14. There was an article that came out a couple days ago after the Bradford deal was made and it said that the Eagles made some wiggle room in the contract where Bradford could be traded within a week of free agency and they would be off the hook cap-wise. (Something about when his bonus would be paid.) If you look at Bradford's career stats, they are very similar to Fitzpatrick. (Taken from pro-football-reference.com) Bradford: 60.1 comp%, 234.8 Y/G, 3.4 TD%, 2.3 Int%, 6.5 Y/A, 81 Quarterback rating Bradford's 2 best seasons: 2012: 59.5 comp%, 231.4 Y/G, 3702 Passing Yards, 21 TD, 13 Int, 6.4 Y/A, 82.6 Quarterback rating 2015 (14 games): 65 comp%, 266.1 Y/G, 3725 Passing Yards, 19 TD, 14 Int, 7.0 Y/A, 86.4 Quarterback rating Fizpatrick: 60.1 comp%, 205.1 Y/G, 4.4 TD%, 3.3 Int%, 6.1 Y/A, 80.8 Quarterback rating Fitzpatrick's 2 best season: 2012: 60.6 comp% 212.5 Y/G, 3400 Passing Yards, 24 TD, 16 Int, 6.7 Y/A, 83.3 Quarterback rating 2015: 59.6 comp%, 244.1 Y/G 3905 Passing Yards, 31 TD, 15 Int, 6.9 Y/A, 88.o Quarterback rating Positive for Bradford is he is 5 years younger (November 8, 1987). Fitzpatrick (November 24, 1982) Negative for Bradford is his injury history ( 2 complete season during career, DNP 17 games in 5 seasons). Fitzpatrick (3 complete seasons during career, DNP 9 games in past 5 seasons). Best ability is availability. The positive for Bradford being traded? They signed Chase Daniel. I know not a big concern but lets spin it. Suppose you had two NFL teams (Jets '15/Eagles '16) where a QB (Geno/Bradford) was obtained by a previous regime (Idzik+Rex/Chip). The organization has moved on and hired a new coaching staff (Bowles+Gailey/Pederson). They decide to keep the current QB in place but go out and get someone they have worked with before and is a little more comfortable with the system (Fitzpatrick/Daniel). Sticking to the incumbent as the starter (Geno/Bradford) in the offseason, they stress that competition is the key to improvement. For the Jets, the incumbent got hurt for a couple of months, the backup took over. Even when the incumbent was back healthy, they continued with the back-up. Bradford is in a similar situation of competing for his job, and he is quiet injury prone. Not saying this will happen to him, but the situation is very similar to what the Jets did last year. Yes a extremely small sample size to base an outcome off of. If Bradford were to go to the Jets, they could tell him that he would be the starter no questions asked with no competition this year. Petty is the player the Jets are grooming and is a year away from being a viable starter. Bradford will have to compete with him next year. But next year, Bradford will have 1 year as the starter and depending on his performance could be the clear cut starter. If that were the case Petty could be traded. Every year the Jets would continue to draft later round QBs and groom them to trade or if they can find a gem then a discussion can be made then. For Bradford, he would have Marshall and Decker as receivers (had Amendola, Brandon Lloyd while in St Louis, Matthews and Ertz in Philly). Philly got rid of Murray versus the Jets signing three veteran RBs who, to some extent, are at least decent in pass protection. The Jets could also see if they could go sign Jared Cook, who was Bradford's favorite target in 2013. The biggest question of the trade would be the contract details. Everyone is saying that the Eagles over paid for Bradford and I would have to agree there so probably another negative. He is the 18th highest paid QB with his new contract and has not played up to his 1st pick potential. Perhaps a Wilkerson and the 20th pick for Bradford and the 8th? Clears the cap space for the Jets to complete the trade. *By the way, I don't even know if that would remotely be a legit trade for both sides, but question still remains, would you trade for Bradford if it were possible?
  15. Exactly. This is the reason why who ever trades for him shouldn't restructure. The contract is year-to-year which means he can be cut at anytime with limited impact. It's a one year, $13 million prove it deal with a possible 4 more years at an average of $18 million a year. If he sucks, cut him after this year. If he is a solid QB, you would have him at $18 million a year which would make him approximately the 15th highest paid QB. By the end of 4 years with the cap increasing, he might be in the range of 20th highest paid QB. To me thats good value... if you think Kaepernick is a possibly a good QB.
  • Create New...