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  1. All-time worst Jets draft pick?

    If you recall, they drafted Cadigan to play LT. We were dying for a LT and I wanted Gruber from Wisconsin but TB grabbed him at 4...and we took Cadigan at 8 to play LT. So it was a double screw up...he was a "pumped up by steroids" player to begin with and then landed up at OG. Haight was just idiotic. Guy had a 4th round grade on him and also was drafted as a LT prospect...only to be moved to OG and never distinguish himself there either. Our 2nd rounder that year, Doug Williams out of Texas A&M, was a borderline 1st round pick at RT...he didn't even make it our of training camp.
  2. All-time worst Jets draft pick?

    From an impact and draft position standpoint its hard to ague anyone other then Gholston with Ron Farout and Mike Taylor (1972) runners up. After that for first rounders...Mike Haight, DRob, and Roger Vick. But I have to agree that the most PAINFUL pick of all time was OBrien over Marino. I liked OBrien but that missed pick was the gift that just kept on giving for a decade and a half.
  3. Bowles: Lame Duck or Last Chance?

    Wow. Awfully cocksure of yourself huh? But considering I am fairly sure neither of us has the last name Johnson, I guess we shall see if I have an "idea of how wrong am" around this time next year. My guess is Mac stays, Bowles goes. Curious if you will retract your over the top statement if you turn out to have no idea how wrong you are. Guess we'll see...
  4. Bowles: Lame Duck or Last Chance?

    So you think they are both gone unless the Jets win 7 or 8 games? See I disagree. I dont think Woody is going to want to go through the process (yet again) of finding a HC and GM. Especially if he's in the UK. I think if the team shows progress he will look for reasons to keep them both regardless of record. If the team is awful and gets blown out each week then yes, one or both are likely gone. I just think Mac has a longer leash then Bowles does right now since Woody (and much of the fan base) is clearly on board wiht this purge and he hired Mac on the recommendation of Casserly and Wolf. Bowles on the other hand was an impulse hire because they thought they might lose hi to ATL. And if we are talking kool aid here, the idea that Harbaugh is going to leave Michigan to come to this sh*t show is a pipe dream. MAYBE if we land Darnold he MIGHT consider coming back but if he ever decides he wants to come back to the NFL (and I'm not sure he ever will....he's in a perfect job now), he will have his pick of jobs. WHY would he come to this circus? And Cowher? Please. Guy has never been a GM before and would want full control to leave his cushy TV job. As a HC fine...but hes not going to want that. This isn't 1997. There is no Tuna or other BIG name coming through the door to save us. If we fire Mac and/or Bowles, it will be just yet another hire of yet another newby GM or HC and the pattern just repeats again. That said I think Mac MIGHT be an OK GM...but Bowles to me is simply awful.
  5. Bowles: Lame Duck or Last Chance?

    Really? How so? I certainly don't mind being disagreed with with some explanation. But tossing a silly insult out in response to what I felt was an objective assessment of the situation in my opinion is kind of weak. Exactly which part of my post do you so vehemently disagree with?
  6. Bowles: Lame Duck or Last Chance?

    I don't think either guy is on the chopping block per se. The fact that they are in FULL rebuild now tells me that Woody is not going to be at all concerned with record this year. he wants to see progress and that means two different things for Mac and Bowles. That said I think Mac has more leash then Bowles does For Mac it means 1. seeing how his recent draft picks progress (especially Hackenberg) and 2. the job he does in this draft restocking the team (at least on paper). Barring an absolute disaster (like Idziks Dirty Dozen fiasco or Hackenberg showing absolutely nothing) I think Woody is on board with allowing Mac to rebuild the team over the next few years. I DO believe Mac was under some pressure from Woody for the nonsensical "competitive rebuild" when he was initially hired and this will cut him a little more slack with the owner. Bowles to me is a different story. In two years he has yet to show that he can beat good teams and his on field coaching has been highly questionable. Throw in a (at least perceived) lack of discipline on this team (Geno getting punched, SRich and Marshall, Mo, Revis tanking, etc) and the additional perception that this team quit on him last year and I think his seat, while not hot, is warming up. If they play hard, disciplined, competitive football and the kids keep developing and Bowles improves his in game coaching, I think he can go 0-16 and still save his job. But if they get wiped out week after week and play the way they did in 2016 with no passion or discipline and Bowles keeps making bonehead decisions on game day...I think he's gone. Remember, Mac didnt hire Bowles...Woody did. Wood hired Mac too but it was on the recommendation of two seasoned football men he hired to help him find a GM (we know Woody has no mind of his own) and they chose Mac. If they suck royally again this year, I could easily see Woody handing the reigns to Mac and allowing him one more shot to fix this with his own choice at HC in 2018.
  7. LOL...you and I are clearly on the same page on that draft. I hated pryor. I recall Idzik saying he could be a "centerfield type". Yeah...right. And I still cant believe we passed on Moncrief in rd 3 for a CB no one had ever heard of. It was the best WR class in 20 years and we had a dire need at WR...and he waits until rd 4 to take two and its a 165 pound midget and an oft injured possession guy who ran a 4.6. Idzik set us back 5 years with his horrid drafting which is why the rebuild really should have started in 2015. He drafted something like 21 players over 2 drafts and 85% were off the team by their 2nd year. Enunwa was the blind squirrel finding a nut.
  8. Totally agree. Prior to FA you could draft pure BPA because you had 12 rounds in a draft and you could keep guys forever. But FA changed all that. You need to continually backfill and replace players who leave after 4 years. I totally agree with your positional analysis. I hated taking Pryor because he played a position that to be frank is being phased out. I didnt hate Lee (even though I think 3-4 ILB is not a first round position) because he seemed versatile enough to cover and blitz also. My new theory on drafting is "consider need but never reach for need" and try to use premium picks on the impact positions you mentioned. In other words I would never have drafted Pryor because a) despite the "need", he doesnt play a premium position (guy couldn't cover me and is not a playmaker) and b. if there was another player at a premium position of need that graded out close enough to him to justify taking him (ie- in that draft...Brandon Cooks).
  9. What's the goal here???

    Again I dont think anyone is advocating tanking. Im sure these guys will play hard all year and try to win. The issue was the QB. The roster has been decemated of so many key vets I dont see it as more then a 2 or 3 win team. Signing a decent level starter like Cutler probably would have been worth 2 or 3 extra wins. Romo may have been 5 or 6 extra wins. But none of them in my mind equaled any type of playoff success. So why bother? Thats why McCown made so much sense. A vet presence just in case Petty and Hackenberg sh*t the bed but a guy who wont go out there and give you those extra meaningless wins and ruin your chances of getting the next franchise QB. 2007 is a great example. We won that last game against Herm and KC and for our whopping 4th win of the year...and it dropped us from 3rd pick to 6th and instead of Matt Ryan we got Vern Gholston. So no, we are not asking players to roll over but there was no sense in bringing in a QB who will get us to 5-11 instead of 2-14.
  10. What's the goal here???

    In my opinion getting a new HC is as important as getting a QB. But Woody wasnt going to fire Bowles after 2 years. It would look really bad. He gets 2017 to further prove that he is totally incompetent and needs to be replaced. Mac will likely be safe though and then will hand pick his next HC (who will actually report to him as any HC should) and that will be Macs final shot here over the next 2-3 years.
  11. How many games will Jets win?

    This could be the worst Jet team since 1995 (not as bad as the 1976 team which in my opinion is the worst we ever put on a field). That said...3 wins max. Just have to hope Cleveland wins 4. And I understand the argument that draft picks are no sure thing and we have blown a ton. But until we find our QB, we are stuck in the mud and the only place we are going to find that QB is with a very high #1 pick. And Darnold at least seems to look like the surest #1 QB since Luck.
  12. What's the goal here???

    I agree. I think McCown will start week 1...and perhaps weeks 2 and 3 and 4 also. But by early October he will either be hurt or inefective and/or Hack or Petty will be next man up. My HOPE is that Hackenberg is in there by week 8 and we can get a real look at him so we can determine definitively if we are drafting a QB in 2018 or not.
  13. What's the goal here???

    I think that sums it up. Either that or find out that by some miracle Hackenberg is the real deal and move forward with him. But getting a Romo or Cutler or rolling the miracle dice and commiting to a Glennon makes zero sense to me.
  14. What's the goal here???

    Exactly...an even better reason to have signed him. He should only play if Hackenberg and Petty fail first. That doesn't happen if we sign a Glennon or a Cutler or a Romo. This is a rebuild year with a potential pot of gold at the end of the rainbow (Darnold? Rosen?) if our current kids fail. There is NO sense in getting an established vet QB so we can sit the kids and win a couple more meaningless games with no chance for the playoffs.
  15. I have to be honest, I am actually MORE interested in this season then I was for last season. Yeah we are going to suck big time this season. I think we are looking at a 3 win season and maybe worse. But you know what...that's FINE so long is there is a PLAN in place which there finally seems to be for the first time in years! MANY Jet fans knew that the 2016 team had no real shot of winning anything. We knew 2015 was a fluke and that we didn't have the QB or the roster to do anything more then MAYBE contend for a wild card spot in 2016. We haven't had a legit SB contender since the 2011 off season. And THAT is what keeps me interested. The idea that we COULD win a SB in any given year. Either that or a PLAN to get to a point where we could win a SB. But this middle ground nonsense that so many Jets fans seem to be accepting of to me is what kills this franchise. This idea that just being "good" is somehow good enough. Fact is anyone who thought the signing of any of the QBs this off season (including Romo btw) even if we had kept all our vets was going to somehow lead to a SB contending year were kidding themselves. All signing a Romo or Cutler would have done was ensure a level of "entertainment" and maybe a 7 or 8 win season. And what purpose does that serve? Just more treading water waiting to drown. For any Jets fan that wants to see a SB again, this rebuild HAD to happen. Too many years of horrid drafting under Tannenbaum and Idzik lead to a decaying roster and too many band aids until we finally ran out. Now there is a plan...thank God. Whetehr or not Mac and/or Bowles is the right guy to execute that plan remains to be seen. But at least they recognized they had to stop the insanity with these competitive rebuilds. One of my favorite years as a Jets fan was 1977. We went 3-11. But they cleaned house after Namath left in 76 and brought in a great draft Powell, Walker, Harper, Klecko, and Dierking, They played the kid QB. They competed pretty much every week and nearly knocked off Pitt, Oakland and Miami that year. And they were BUILDING and it lead to a decent SB run in the early to mid 80s. So if you are a Jets fan that wants to be entertained every Sunday and ultimate results be damned then yes, you hate the McCown signing. He gives us NO chance to be a playoff team this year. But if you try and see the forest through the trees, you'll see that it will likely give us a chance to either see if we have a franchise QB on the roster and if we don't we will have the chance to finally draft one. Im not saying we should tank. But we MUST find a real QB so what I am saying is that I'd rather go 2-14 with an unproven kid QB the year before a draft where there are a few blue chip QBs coming out and have a shot at one of them then I would to go 6-10 with a Cutler or a Glennon and draft another non impact safety or cornerback at pick 12. So again, yes, this team will not contend for anything this year and will lose a lot...but that in my opinion does not make them uninteresting. In fact in many ways it makes them MORE interesting then many of the recent teams this franchise has put on the field the last 5 years that were going nowhere.