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    Hypothetically if we did trade down how far would you drop and what would you want back?

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    42 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

    I know many have different opinions on what Douglas should do.  Personally I trust him no matter what path he goes.  I do find a trade back very appealing because we have so many holes and it would rebuild the roster extremely quick. But let’s say for the sake of argument it was going to be a trade back scenario how far would you drop and what would you want? maybe there are multiple QBs he likes so he drops a few spots gains some more assets and still gets one if the QBs he likes.  Somebody mentioned Chase also being a possibility.  Anyway I’m interested to hear your thoughts!!

    The draft pick "chart" is merely the jumping off point when a QB is involved. The Jets should ask for a ton, most likely multiple bidders as well. 

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    Red Flag on Wilson -

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    1 hour ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

    Just saw this negative scouting report on Zach Wilson.  If it is true, Jets need to pass on him

    https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/Some-Teams-Have-Makeup-Concerns-with-Zach-Wilson

    Recently, CBS reporter Jason La Canfora broke some interesting news that some NFL teams felt BYU quarterback Zach Wilson could go high in the first round of the 2021 NFL Draft and be the second quarterback selected after Clemson's Trevor Lawrence. Since the end of the 2020 NFL Draft, Ohio State quarterback Justin Fields has been the consensus second-rated quarterback, but La Canfora quoted an executive who felt Wilson could go ahead of Fields. After reading that excellent report by La Canfora, WalterFootball.com followed up with team sources to see if they agreed with that contention. Multiple sources said it was possible that Wilson could go ahead of Fields and high in the first round, but they also said that some teams have character and makeup concerns with Wilson, so there could be some discrepancies across teams and a lack of consensus. 

    In speaking to a director of college scouting from a NFC team that is in the market for a new quarterback, he outlined the makeup concerns with Wilson:
     

    • "Johnny Manziel comp without the [drugs]. [Wilson] is fun to watch, but is he a 1-year flash in the pan? He's a backyard baller who is fun to watch." 

      "Someone will grab him in the first [round]. I doubt he gets to the second [round] because once the third quarterback goes, after Lawrence and Fields, there will be a run on them. [Wilson] has character concerns, rich kid who is an entitled brat - uncle owns Jet Blue -, parents are a pain, not a leader, selfish, and he's a know-it-all. 

      "His positives are that he's super competitive, not to get scared and won't back down, extremely confident, very smart with keen recall and teammates will play for him." 


       

    That college director outlined the makeup of Wilson well, but his team is strict on character, so perhaps that plays into them having Wilson as the fourth quarterback. 

    In speaking to a director of college scouting from another team, they said this regarding Wilson in the first round: 

    "[Wilson]'s going to go high. He may rise to the second quarterback in the draft. I think he's a second-rounder, but I just feel the quarterback spot is different than others and the round is just a starting point. The postseason process changes a lot. He is as talented as the rest, minus Lawrence." 

    Rounding out the responses we got from team sources, here is what we heard. A third college director thought Wilson would go late in the first round or early in the second round. A player personnel director thought Wilson would go in Round 1, and a senior director of player personnel thought Wilson would go in the second round. 

    Thus there is big variety in prospect evaluation across the league, and those spreads can happen with quarterback prospects in particular. Add in that some teams have football-character concerns with Wilson, and he could have a big range in the 2021 NFL Draft from high in the first round to somewhere in the second round. 

    This is likely a hit piece on the kid to make him fall to a desired spot for that particular scout. Teams don't listen to this trash, they do thier own research and make independent decisions. 

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    Bill Barnwell

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    2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

    I was just listening to ESPN radio (around 6:30PM on 12/28/2020 in case there's a playback option) and I think it was "Greeny" who repeated some info he heard from Bill Barnwell that if the Jets miss out on Trevor Lawrence, they become the least attractive of all the job openings.

    EDIT:

    Maybe I worded the above in a confusing way.  Bill Barnwell is the one saying the Jets are the worst of the job openings.  All Greeny did was say that it was Barnwell's quote.  

    The great thing is Bill Barnwell has as much influence in the NFL as I do.

    Jets 2021 Mock Offseason: a Glimmer of Hope

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    1 hour ago, football guy said:

    I know that no fan wants to hear me right now, but I've seen this coming for a while. It was only a matter of time when the Jets screwed up the tank, and with that, I fully expect the Jets to win one (if not 2) more games which will further eliminate them from contention. Having been said, I still maintain that the Jets can truly use this opportunity to get things right for the next decade if they play their cards right. Hence, below is a combination of what I think Joe Douglas would do/what will happen/what I want the Jets to do this offseason... 

    BREAKING: Jets hire Arizona State co-DC, former Bengals' HC Marvin Lewis to replace Adam Gase 

    Although I believe in Sam Darnold, I do comprehend the reality that landing a competent Head Coaching candidate is going to be far more difficult. For starters, an offensive coach is going to want to have his say at QB, and if the plan going in is that Sam will continue to be the QB, that will turn off some candidates. Those candidates may very well like Darnold the prospect, but they don't always sign up for reclamation projects unless the situation is a great one. Secondly, the job comes with a front office already intact, and while Joe Douglas has a great reputation a top candidate usually wants his own guys. For these reasons, I think the Jets are bound to make what many will deem to be an unpopular hire. The Jets want a CEO type, regardless of the coaches specialty, and that's what they will get in Marvin Lewis. Lewis and Douglas have just barely crossed paths (Marvin was the DC in Baltimore from 1996-2001), but I think what's more important is Lewis's relationship with Ozzie Newsome, who Douglas is sure to consider when vetting candidates. It's a relationship driven business, and the opinions of people like Ozzie Newsome and Phil Savage (current Senior Football Advisor) will hold weight. Also, there's been a lot of chatter that the Jets will pull their head coach from the college ranks. I don't think many confused that to mean Lewis, but he technically is coming from the college ranks and opens up the field of positional coaching candidates given that Marvin has contacts at both the pro and college levels. 

    Personally, I would not be crazy about the hire. I think hiring Lewis is "playing it safe" and about restoring the credibility of the franchise more than anything. We've seen many in the media praising him as a candidate, and from a PR perspective, you would think the Jets feel they need that. However, the only good thing I can say about Lewis is that I'd have confidence in his ability to assemble a good staff, which will be very important. With Lewis up there in age (he turned 62 in September), there should be an emphasis on hiring young coaches who can eventually take over if that time needs to come. Hence, below is what I would project to be the Jets entire coaching staff: 

    Head Coach Marvin Lewis ASU
         
    Offensive Coordinator James Urban BAL
    QB Coach Press Taylor PHI
    RB Coach Bernie Parmalee ATL
    WR Coach Hines Ward NYJ
    TE Coach Justin Frye UCLA
    OL Coach/Asst. HC Juan Castillo CHI
    Asst. OL Coach Travis Switzer BAL
    Offensive Assistant Joe Callahan XFL
    Offensive Assistant Todd Washington NYJ
         
    Defensive Coordinator Teryl Austin PIT
    DL Coach/Asst. HC Anthony Weaver HOU
    LB Coach/Sr. Asst.  Jason Rebrovich JAX
    DB Coach Ryan Downard GB
    Asst. DB Coach Leigh Torrence NYJ
    Defensive Assistant  Chip Vaughn NYJ
    Defensive Assistant  Deon Broomfield HOU
         
    ST Coordinator Brian Polian ND

     

     

    ROSTER MOVEMENT

    • Re-sign S Marcus Maye – 4-year, $48 million contract 
    • Re-sign OL Pat Elflein – 3-year, $8.25 million contract
    • Re-sign WR Breshad Perriman – 1-year, $6.5 million contract 
    • Re-sign OLB Tarell Basham – 1-year, $3.75 million contract 
    • Re-sign S Matthias Farley – 1-year, $1.2 million contract 
    • Re-sign LB Patrick Onwuasor – 1-year, $1 million contract
    • Re-sign OL Josh Andrews – 1-year, $990,000 contract 
    • Release DE Henry Anderson
    • Release WR Josh Doctson
    • Release OL Leo Koloamatangi

     

    • Sign G Joe Thuney (NE-28) – 5-year, $70 million contract 
    • Sign WR JuJu Smith-Schuster (PIT-24) – 3-year, $47.5 million contract 
    • Sign DE/OLB Matt Judon (BAL-29) – 3-year, $45 million contract 
    • Sign CB Rasul Douglas (CAR-25) – 1-year, $5 million contract 
    • Sign S Jaquiski Tartt (SF-29) – 1-year, $3.5 million contract
    • Sign LB Anthony Walker (IND-25) – 1-year, $3.5 million contract
    • Sign DL Jihad Ward (BAL-26) – 1-year, $2.5 million contract 
    • Sign DL Carlos Watkins (HOU-28) – 1-year, $2 million contract 
    • Sign RB Corey Clement (PHI-26) – 1-year, $950,000 contract
    • Sign CB Cre’Von LeBlanc (PHI-26) – 1-year, $950,000 contract

     

    TRADE: the Philadelphia Eagles agree to trade DE Derek Barnett and their 5th round pick (149) to the New York Jets in exchange for their 3rd round pick (89 via SEA) 

    • Acquire DE Derek Barnett (PHI-25) – 1-year, $10.5 million contract 

     

    2021 NFL DRAFT 

    The Jets infamously played their way out of the #1 pick, gift wrapping QB Trevor Lawrence to the Jacksonville Jaguars, but they still find themselves in a position where they can take a top level quarterback prospect. Sam Darnold regressed in year 3, which left Douglas in a precarious position of determining whether (1) if his play was a product of the environment; and (2) if Darnold is salvageable. This draft is not so different from the 2018 draft class in the sense that there are easily 4 prospects who will be considered in the top 10: Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, and Trey Lance. If Douglas and his new staff determine that Sam is not the guy, they will draft the top QB available and trade Darnold for what is likely to be a 2nd round pick. If they determine that Darnold, who is only 23, is still capable of developing into an elite franchise-QB prospect the team felt was the case just one year ago, then the right move for Douglas would be to stockpile on draft picks and continue building around the player while providing himself a safety net in 2022 in the event Darnold is not the guy (multiple draft picks). 

    After much deliberation, I think Douglas will make the decision to trade the pick. When you consider how much draft capital the Jets can add by trading down, as well as some of the prospects that should still be available to him by keeping a top 10 pick, its hard not to want to explore such a trade. If it works, the Jets have a loaded roster for the next 4-5 years. If Darnold falls flat, then the Jets have a readymade roster and massive amounts of draft capital to acquire a QB in 2022. 
     

    TRADE: the New York Jets send their 1st round pick (2) and 2022 5th round pick to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for their 1st round pick (8), 2nd round pick (40), 4th round pick (110), 2022 1st round pick, and QB Jimmy Garoppolo

    TRADE: the Baltimore Ravens send their 1st round pick (22) to the New York Jets in exchange for their 1st round pick (26 via SEA) and 4th round pick (105) 

    TRADE: the New York Jets send their 5th round pick (154 via NYG) to the Baltimore Ravens in exchange for LB Chris Board and their 2022 5th round pick 

    • Round 1, Pick #8: Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida
    • Round 1, Pick #26: Teven Jenkins, OL, Oklahoma State
    • Round 2, Pick #34: Carlos Basham, DE, Wake Forest
    • Round 2, Pick #40: Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina 
    • Round 3, Pick #66: Camryn Bynum, CB, California 
    • Round 4, Pick #110: Keith Taylor, CB, Washington
    • Round 5, Pick #145: Austin Watkins, WR, UAB
    • Round 5, Pick #149: Erroll Thompson, LB, Mississippi State
    • Round 6, Pick #198: Jack Helfin, DL, Northern Illinois 

     

     

    Have at it

    You put a ton of effort into this, for this I am grateful, however, you lost me at Marvin Lewis lol. 

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    After you're done crying about Lawrence, watch the Boca Raton Bowl on Tuesday

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    1 hour ago, BroadwayRay said:

    BYU v UCF, 7 pm, ESPN,

    Then tell me Zach Wilson isn't good and that the Jets shouldn't pick him with the #2 pick. No, he's not Lawrence, but he's got possibly the most accurate arm in college football and is the highest PFF-rated QB in college football this year.

    I don't know what to say to the high-level analysts around here who don't like him because of his headband, his height or because of the school he plays for.

    I'd prefer a trade back, if offered to the 5-7 range and take Wilson. I do prefer him to Trask, Fields and Lance. 

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    It’s amazing how many ways this one win has hurt this organization.

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    6 minutes ago, Viermoo said:

     

    1) Losing Trevor

    2) Losing the power of trading the number one overall. We literally could’ve ransomed three first round pics and then some from somebody.

    3) Any potential coach looking to coach Trevor just did their best Michael Kay impersonation - “C-ya.”

    4) Probably stuck with Sam

    5) Attracting free agents. Gonna be difficult.

     

    That’s just off the top of my head.

     

     

    Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

     

    They also made the path to playoff success for the Seahawks easier and thus possibly making their second first rounder worse as well.

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    My fault

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    12 minutes ago, nico002 said:

    I join the tank for one week and this happens.

    time to build around Sam 

    Yea, I'll take my portion of the blame as I added the Rams as a throw in ML bet, FML.

    Just finished watching the highlights. Sam will screw up the tank.

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    2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

    People are still shocked or dont get that players play to win, try to win.

    Sam was nowhere as bad as he was two weeks ago, hes capable of playing s good game, it's football.

    Friggen Colt McCoy beat Seattle yesterday, his first win in 6 years

    Many people still fail to understand the dynamic that the players are loyal to an organization provided the organization is paying them. Their loyalty will immediately change once the paycheck comes from a different source. It is asinine for anyone to compare a fan perspective to that of the players. You are exactly correct that the players will always try to win because that paycheck depends on their performance, yet so many come up with the idea of the players tanking and could not be more incorrect. 

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    Trusting our GM's brilliant ability to evaluate draft talent

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    10 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

    Hindsight is always 20/20 but there's a reason why despite being a combine warrior that D.K Metcalf still became the very last pick of the 2nd round; and that reasoning was because he put up pretty crappy NCAA WR numbers throughout his college career (every team passed on him and multiple times too). 

    Would he look this freakish and this dominant without Russell Wilson? Who knows but all I know is he didn't even come close to dominating in college like this...

    He also had neck injury concerns.

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    People close to Trevor “Are Jets the place you really want to be?”

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    This is so clearly a lazy media pivot from the "Stay at Clemson Trevor" talking point that he dismantled after the game Saturday. He was never going to stay there and will likely only consider forcing a trade if Gase remains as coach which is not going to happen. This is a bullsh*t narrative to have something to fill dead air. Nothing more. He is not the type of personality to shy away from the spotlight, more so he seems comfortable with it. 

     

    If the Jets have the pick, he will play for them. Stop this madness.

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