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  1. No question LJ deserves all the accolades, is a dynamic athlete.  However, he not a great QB.  He is at least not yet.  He may become one but we have not seen dynamic athletes playing QB transited to great QBs.  Mike Vick, Randall Cunningham..etc.

    As for Sam, he is a better thrower of the ball, and faced more adverse conditions due to lack of talent, coaching and ownership.  Right now, LJ is definitely better football player.  Will it make him better?  Jury is still out.  But, I rather have Sam in the long run than LJ. 

  2. 8 hours ago, section314 said:


    As an old time PSU fan, who remembers the 1979 Sugar Bowl National Championship game, and the Bama goal line stand, thanks for not putting Barry Kraus on the list. Marty is bad enough.😎

    Talk about revisionist history.  Stop it with fictitious titles!  When was Sugar Bowl ever given the National title match pre-BCS?  And since, the coaches poll crowned USC as their champion because USC won head to head vs Bama in Bama earlier, beat than #1 Notre Dame and two Co  Big 10 champs...Mich. st. and Mich.

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  3. I would take this team over Bama!

    My all time USC defense I have seen play in the NFL

    DE Willie Mcginest/Everson Griffin

    DL Jurrell Casey

    DL Mike Patterson/Sedrick Ellis

    OLB Junior Seau

    OLB Clay Mathews III

    ILB Clay Mathews Jr./Ray Maaluga

    ILB Lofa Tatupu/Brian Cushing

    DB Tim McDonald/Mark Carrier/Dennis Thurman

    DB Ronnie Lott

    DB Troy Polamalu 

    DB Jason Sehorn/Dylon McCutcheon



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  4. 15 hours ago, Warfish said:

    We're all fans of Sam, because Sam is the QB of the New York Jets, and we're all New York Jets Fans.  You don't get a merit badge for saying this.

    So you're ok with Darnold's rate of turnovers then.  Got it.

    Tom Brady's First Two Years:

    31 games, 30 starts, 20 wins, 10 losses, 637 for 1,014 (62.8%) for 6,607 Yards (6.5 YPA, 213 YPG), 46 TD, 26 INT's, 23 Fumbles, 72 Sacks.

    He also was 11-3 and won on a Super Bowl his first year as starter.  He had 28 TD's his 2nd year and a consistent 2:1 TD:INT ratio his first three years.

    Peyton Manning's First Two Years:

    32 Games, 32 Starts, 16 wins, 16 losses, 657 for 1,108 (59.2%) for 7,874 Yards (7.1 YPA, 246 YPG), 52 TD, 43 INT, 9 Fumbles, 36 Sacks

    He was 13-3 as a starter in his second season.  He had 33 TD's in his 3rd year, and threw for over 4,000 yards in his 2nd and 3rd years.  He had only one losing season over his next 14 years.

    Ben Rothlisberger's First Two Years:  

    26 Games, 25 Starts, 22 wins, 3 losses, 364 for 563 (64.7%) for 5,006 Yards (8.9 YPA, 192 YPG), 34 TD, 20 INT's, 4 Fumbles, 53 Sacks.

    His record as a starter was 22-3.  He got to the AFCCG his rookie year.  He won a Super Bowl his second year.  

    Sam Darnold's First Two Years:

    26 Games, 26 Starts, 11 wins, 15 losses, 512 for 855 (59.9%) for 5,889 Yards (6.9 YPA, 226 YPG), 36 TD's, 28 INT's, 16 Fumbles, 63 Sacks.

    He was 7-6 as a starter in 2019. 

    That's an interesting analysis.  

    I could point out that your analysis missed material facts (Two Super Bowl winners, Peyton's 30+ TD, 4,000+ passing).

    I could point out that this is yet another cherry picked analysis (let's do the same vs. some failures, it may enlighten you to see similar production through similar periods to Sam.  Sam was a mirror, I'll remind you, in most stats and W/L production, to Patrick Ramsey thru 23 starts).  

    I could point out that Brady was a rock solid 2:1 TD:INT guy and 60%+ guy from the start, Darnold is not.

    I could point out that while Manning threw alot of INT's and was bad his rookie year, he was 13-3 his second year, rarely got sacked because of his speedy release and smarts, and broke the production levels you say we shouldn't expect from Sam, even though you think Sam is on par with Manning.

    I could point out that Rothlisberger wasn't kept on because he was a great passer, but because he a big, strong guy and leader who didn't fumble and won almost every game he started (22-3) on a team built around the rush and defense, and he did what was needed to win, not to produce stats (which did get better), winning a Super Bowl after getting to the AFCCG.

    Trying to claim equivalence between Darnold and Manning, Brady or other HOF'ers is laughable at this point.  It's also 100% unneccessary!

    Almost all of us here at JN, myself included, are 100% behind Sam Darnold as our starter in 2020.  We all support building around him, providing him a much better O-line, at least one #1 WR and more.  We do not need to be convinced he is our best shot in 2020 and (for now) at having a Franchise QB.  No one (or almost no one) wants to cut him, or move on, or draft another starting QB in 2020.

    But with that said, we DO expect improvement.  As we should, improvement means more wins!  We want more wins, don't we?

    The AVERAGE production of NFL QB's who started and played all 16 games in 2019 is:

    16 games, 356 for 559 (63.8%) for 4,164 Yards (7.4 YPA, 260 YPG), 25 TD's, 12 INT's, 36 Sacks.

    I think it is ENTIRELY reasonable to want to see Sam Darnold, in 2020, meet this average level of performance while starting 16 games.

    If you don't think asking for average is right, that it's too much to ask, so be it.  I expect average.


    Nicely said.

  5. 14 hours ago, kdels62 said:

    I’ve become obsessed with Wirfs. He’s so friggin strong and so nimble. The only reason to think he can’t play LT is because he doesn’t play left tackle. He’s got the goods man.

    Tyron Smith only played RT at SC.  Wirf has that kinda potential in my opinion.

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  6. 6 hours ago, jgb said:

    To play devil’s advocate the only thing we know about him is that he may be a stud. Just because he has a garbage supporting cast doesn’t automatically mean he will be great with a better one. 

    I can agree with that.  I am only pointing out, Haters are too quick to dismiss and force glass half empty perspective with every other play.  If another QB does it, it's  greatness or skill, if Darnold does it, he's  a gambler or stupid for trying to make a play.

  7. 21 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

    rivers yes

    brees ~10/yr

    ben ~14/yr

    how bout Tds?

    Ok...you give Darnold their coaches, which you would agree much much better?

    Saints Oline, WR, RBs in the last 6 years and assume that Darnold has been in the league for 8~10 years in his prime..okay...you don't  think he can put up those numbers?

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  8. Okay,  so Darnold wasn't  great and inconsistent at times but had above .500 record.  

    Over 3000 yards in 13 games, 19TD/13int.

    Likely QBR around 50ish, around average starting QB

    Let me ask which of the below on our team is average or above?

    OWNER...way below...possible bottom 5

    GM...unproven...but hopeful. However, Mac was perhaps the worst...so below average 2019

    Head Coach...again maybe better than Kitchens?  Bottom 5

    O Coordinator ...every game, puzzling play calling

    Oline: arguably the worst

    Running backs: should be above average but one of the worst statistically..see oline and coaching

    WR...above average slot, inconsistent #1, overall I would say below average group, I mean which recieving group you wouldn't  swap with?

    TE...who wouldn't you trade with?

    Do you actually believe:

    Josh Allen or Baker would put up better number than darnold if they were here?

    Do you believe Dak Prescott would do better?

    Even Lamar Jackson would be pedestrian here imo.  He has a head coach and the organization that seems to move in unison, and they understand how to maximize the talent that they have...If he were a Jet, Jetsian way would hamstring LJ from the top down.







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