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  1. 2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

    Yeah and 30+ NFL QBs cant do what Wilson does

    Mahomes cant do what Wilson does.

    Allen cant, Lamar cant, Watson cant, there are a string of athletes who put their health at risk outside of the pocket. No one says hes going to get hurt throwing from the pocket.  Brady, Eli, his brother on and on.  Injuries happened, running is a greater risk, that's all.

    I wasn't  saying Sam will donit as well as Wilson, that was meant as an example

    No doubt there is more risk, but there are ways to balance the risk out. All Sam has to do is slide down before a hit or get out of bounds. It isn't  rocket science.

  2. On 1/13/2020 at 3:06 PM, Jet Nut said:

    It would be better to get hit a small percentage of times vs getting hit just about every time you take off.  Never mind two moving objects are creating harder hits than one QB getting knocked down.  

    Especially with the rules protecting QBs from getting hit hard, like they're allowed to be hit when they're on the run.

    I cant think of injured QBs being told to run to avoid the occasional hit in the pocket

    If you look at how Wilson runs, or even Mahomes, these two don't  take hits. Wilson slides before the hit, he even slides under defensive players like a base runner sliding under a tag,  Mahones runs to the sticks and gets out of bounds. The only guy that runs the way you are talking about is Allen and I agree, he is not long for this league if he keeps taking  these shots. 

  3. On 1/13/2020 at 2:59 PM, Losmeister said:

    Makes me go HMM.

    I know I read somewhere Gase saying something about trusting to go through progressions. Not sure that accounts for some of the plays where it seemed obvious that he could hoof it for the 1st down, but chose to throw and ended up up w/ no convert. So..  am not sure where that line gets drawn...  keep eyes downfield keep eyes downfield, or cut and run....

    I felt it was retty obvious yesterday the value of a QB making some plays with his feet.

    That progression thing is what every coach says. It sounds logical but running for a first should be part of your progression 

  4. 9 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

    Dorian Boose?  That was that fat ****'s way of replacing Hugh Douglas.  Not exactly a DT.  Coples was supposed to take over for Pace/Thomas.  They only kicked him inside when things didn't work out.  I don't see why you'd go back to Boose without including Ellis/Abraham.  If it is a list of busts, why not include Gholston?  I don't think the number is so astounding, but the recent drafts of interior DL are insane.  Particularly when coupled with the decision to pay Wilkerson.  That was all Maccagnan though.  I don't have a huge problem with the decisions made prior - except that fat **** trading Douglas and ending up with Dorian Boose.   **** him.

     

    I get the whole situational thing, but I think you are blowing it out of proportion.  Yes, Oliver is in a better situation.  OTOH, I think he would have given us much more flexibility than Quinnen.  I can't imagine how you saw more in Quinnen Williams season than 4 of Leonard.  At least Leonard had one good year.  I ma still hopeful, but Quinnen gets an incomplete. 

    I don't have a problem with not deciding a pick is a disaster after one season, but I don't really care what these guys do on their 2nd contracts.  Making hay while they are on their rookie deals is the key.  After that, signing them or not is the issue.  I am looking for 2 things with draft picks - value over their rookie deals, and things that don't hit the market.  That is why I have such a problem with the S, ILB, DT sh*t.  Yes Adams is great, but you could pay a guy (say Earl Thomas).  No matter how much you pay, you aren't getting another shot at Patrick Mahomes. 

    I also don't think the drop off from UDFA to the best is as great at those positions.  Adams has somewhat proven me wrong this year.  Which hurts more, playing Kyle Phillips while Quinnen is hurt, or Edoga while Beachum is out?  The only other explanation is the need for a "QB on defense" which is why they paid Mosley-and Williamson, and Harris, and traded for Davis.  How many QBs on D do we actually need though?

    Sounds like your problem is the position drafted and not the player so the Oliver vs Q really isn't  the issue. 

    We all would have been happy had we drafted Mahomes or Watson but it didn't  happen. It's  strange it didn't  considering the crap at QB we had but that is an argument for another thread. 

    I get what your saying and agree with most of it but you seem to be glazing over the situation both players are in. The biggest difference isn't  even the players these 2 play with, it's  the scheme.  Q is in a 3-4 where the DT basically apply pressure up the middle trying to collapse the pocket and Oliver is in an attacking 4-3 where the DE's rush from the edge. That is huge. 

  5. Right now we don't  know what we have at ILB in either CJ or Avery so until you get an answer on that, you have to stand pat. Best case scenario  is Avery and CJ come back healthy next season and we have two dynamic players at ILB, worst case, niether can play to the level they had. In any case, nobody is going to give us anything resembling  value in a trade if Avery can come back the same. 

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  6. 13 hours ago, RobR said:

    Honest question for you after what just played out after this season. If you could trade QW straight up for Oliver would you do it? 

    Let me answer this. 

    No, because then you would see Q have a solid season playing next to Philips,  Hughes and Murphy on a 4-3 and Oliver looking pedestrian playing next to McClendon and Anderson with the occasional Shepard and Fatukasi.

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  7. 21 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    I would have been perfectly fine with Oliver.  If we had to take a DT, he'd better well have the capability of being a pass rusher.  Oliver fits the bill there, and a lot of people here knew he did prior to demonstrating it as a rookie. 

    We would have been much happier right now if Oliver would have been the pick.  Especially if we had been able to trade down prior to taking him.  

    If Oliver was the pick, his numbers would be similar  to Q because he wouldn't  be playing on the Bills D where they actually have DB's, Edmunds, Hughes,  Murphey, and Phillips. They also play a 4-3 which favors DL over LB's. He's  just in a much better situation than Q.

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  8. 21 hours ago, Dcat said:

    I remember this board being practically all-in on Q.  Those of us that lobbied for a different pick were criticized.  I hated the Q pick, didn't want him, was screaming for a trade down but even if not I didn't want yet another useless interior DL for millionth time.   Q ends up being mediocre at best in his rookie year, but even if he were studly, the pick should have been for a position of greater need.  End of story.  

    The problem with Q when compared to Oliver is he doesn't  play on the Bills D-line. That was a solid unit before he got there. Yes, the guy has talent but the guys around him are studs. The guys around Q are OK. If anything Q made Leo tradable which I was not happy about at first but there is no denying, his time here was a waste so that is a plus.

    Q has shown more in his rookie season than Leo had in 4. I think he was slowed by injury and will be better next season if he stays healthy. From what I have seen, one on one is a miss-match with him. The guy has the abaility to blow up the player in front of him. He just needs to be more consistent.  He seemed lost on plays here and there but that might be from being a rookie.  

    Everyone deserves more than a rookie season. Look at Melvin Gordon. He sucked his rookie year while Gurley lit it up. I would say now Gordon is arguably the better back. Some players just take longer to show up.  

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  9. 7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    It's not awful but I'm saying its not what he's best at.  Certainly not good enough to say we absolutely MUST replace Robby with another speed demon type.  Give me a big bodied, physical guy with just OK speed over that.  

    He doesn't  jist run post routes

  10. 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    It's not awful but I'm saying its not what he's best at.  Certainly not good enough to say we absolutely MUST replace Robby with another speed demon type.  Give me a big bodied, physical guy with just OK speed over that.  

    I edited the post above. Please read.

  11. 13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    How so?  Darnold isn't especially known as an accurate deep ball thrower.  I know we might be losing Robby but that doesn't mean we have to replace him with a speed guy.  

    Actually if you look at some of the deep balls Anderson has caught, I find it interesting how you can say Sam doesni't  have  deep ball accuracy. 

    In any case, Ruggs most impressive catch was a short pass that he turned into 60+ reception being clocked ar 25 mph so deep routes  isn't  the only thing he runs.

  12. Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

    I like Crowder a lot.  And it sure seems like a lot of people want to pay Robby Anderson $12-13M a year.  

    Anderson does not make enough plays a game to be the guy the way Kelce or Hill is. Crowder is ok but for whatever reason, he disappears  for long periods of time. When Mahones needs a play, he knows he can rely on about 4 different guys and one of them will be there for him. 

  13. 28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    There's also a huge difference in the talent and ability of Mahomes and Darnold.  That is very clear but some here refuse to acknowledge it.  Yes, a QB needs help.  It's also true that great QB's prop up their teammates too. 

    I would argue 75 % of a QB's success is about HIM, and about 25 % is his circumstances.  Many here would argue the exact opposite, and the data available just doesn't support that.  

    What i am saying is when Mahomes needs a play to be made, he has many guys who are play makers who he can rely on and get the ball to. Who on the Jets can Darnold rely on to make a play for him. That is what I mean that Darnold has to really rely on himself

  14. 13 minutes ago, JetsMetsDevilsPA said:

    Totally agree with this ^^^.  He's great throwing on the run anyway.  More role outs and less drops.

    That is one aspect but i am thinking Sam has to trust his running ability  more when he has open field in front of him where he can run for a first and then get out of bounds

  15. 5 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

    Not interested in Jacksonville. I can’t really travel much during the fall too busy at work. Had to be a home game 

    Sorry, was looking at the wrong year. 

    Just try to go to a game where the opposing fans need to get on a plane to come to the stadium. 

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  16. 21 hours ago, Jets723 said:

    Hey sorry if this is off topic but I wanted to hear some opinions on what game I should purchase for my my son and I.  I took my 6 year old to his first a Jets game in the Miami game last month.  He loved it but the poor kid was freezing and I want to try and go to a take him to a September/October game if possible.  I’m thinking about the Buffalo game which I think is late October or the Pats game after that but not sure which are home games yet.  Anyway any opinions I would greatly appreciate. Thanks Guys!!!

    Both games will be loaded with opposing fans who will travel to Met Life. I would try to go to Tampa or Jacksonville.  Not sure what the dates are but it will be a friendly atmosphere. 

  17. 1 minute ago, New York Mick said:

    After looking at what WRs are available in FA and what they’ve been signing for I wouldn’t care if Anderson signed for around $12 a year. 

    If Anderson could run a slant or drag and do something  besides running oit of bounds, i would agree.

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