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4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:
Considering JD was taking calls on Jamal at the trade deadline, and was fairly close to a deal with Dallas, its not that unrealistic.
If the compensation that was reported was real, I'd say that makes for a stronger case he is going nowhere.
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Maybe they wanted the guy that dresses up in robes at Yankee games to set up a similar thing at Met-Life.
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3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:
Yes, I think Watson and Mahomes would be significant upgrades over Sam Darnold. They wouldn't be having as much success as they are in their current situations/systems, but they'd both be well above average QB's.
Only a ridiculous homer can watch those 2 QB's play and say Sam is on that level.
Not what i said. Both QB's have studs. Watson has Hopkins (best WR in NFL) , Fuller, and Stills is the 3. Houston has an outstanding OL. I'm not even going to mention what KC has offensively. How can you seriously make the comparison with Sam.
On the Jets they are throwing to Anderso, Smith, and Crowder, occasionally Bell when Gase feels generous and calls his number but that is when 1 or 2 unblocked DL or LB's are rushing straight up the middle blowing things up.
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3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:
He'd have to do something pretty egregious to fall that far. I don't think a DWI would be enough. But in that very unrealistic instance, I would either draft Chase Young OR look to trade down.
You want to talk unrealistic, how about trading Adams with 2 years left on his rookie deal
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3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:
Because if Douglas isn't the real deal, we're f**ked either way, whether we have the great Jamal Adams on the roster or not. What choice do we have? The guy has a 6-year contract here, and we know the Johnson's are never going to make a quality GM hire if Douglas doesn't work out.
Honestly, before I trust him with 2 high draft picks, i want to see something. If he has that much coin in this draft and he screws it up, he will set this franchise back 10 years.
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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:
How do you reconcile these two posts? In one, you say that you can’t pass on a skill player to draft a tackle, then in the next post you say it wouldn’t matter if Patrick Mahomes was here because he’d get killed behind this line?
Well, they were addressing two dofferent things but i don't agree passing on a need position for another if the one your passing onnhad the superior player. I believe Lamb could be the best WR drafted since OBJ.
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1 hour ago, Warfish said:
I'm happy to discuss it and have done so. I'm not going to keep engaging with someone who doesn't understand what I'm saying.
The scenario you raised was directly answered prior to you raising it. I'm sorry you can't understand that.
I think it's pretty obvious you are not happy to discuss anything because you have not but that's ok. You don't have to and that's fine and i don't want to seem like an attention whore
Sorry, i haven't read every post in the thread.
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5 minutes ago, Warfish said:
The quoted sections directly answer your question.
Look, of you don't want to discuss this just say so. Someone asked you what if Adams isn't traded and you wrote a new manifesto as a response, you didn't point to a disclaimer. If you don't want to discuss this with me because i am basically saying your two guys you picked as a first make no sense because one will be gone and the other is a reach is fine with me. I know it's hard to be critical of your own plan.
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2 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:
We aren’t trading Adams
Agreed but this is Warfish's plan so none of that matters.
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3 minutes ago, Warfish said:
I'm sorry you don't understand. Maybe next time.
You put in a disclaimer that said things might change.
What am I missing.
I'm asking you to address a different scenario and ypu basically are saying no, I don't have to because I wrote this.
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5 minutes ago, RobR said:
And you would be wrong. Our defense was fine with all of the resources we've poured into it over the last decade and if we pick defense with our first pick I'm flying to Florham Park and punching JD right in his face.
No more defense, especially in the first round. Why is that so hard to understand for anyone that claims to be a Jets fan?
I would only take Young, not Espana. Young looks like the next Von Miller.
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5 minutes ago, Warfish said:
I'll quote the OP:
So basically you aren't taking a position.
Good to know
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5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:
My retort to that: It's easily possible that we keep Adams AND fail to draft a good player in the 1st round.
But since Macc is gone, we have no choice but to trust the new guy to do what's right for the franchise.
Why is it this is the only business in the world that you take a guy that never drafted before, and you trust him to make all the right moves his first time out. No other business would this be done. I honestly can't think of any comparison.
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5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:
Jets fans: "We have to build around Sam! Devote all resources to the offense this offseason!"
Also Jets fans, when it is suggested to trade Jamal in order to improve the offense: "F**K YOU WE CAN'T WIN WITHOUT JAMAL"
Let's say Chase Young slid to 11. Maybe he gets arrested for DWI. Do you pass on him? I would say edge is possibly a biiger need than OL.
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5 hours ago, Warfish said:
As a side note, I find it exceptionally interesting that the Adams situation is a perfect example of the Endowment Effect (for info on this see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect).
Put simply, there is no chance anyone on this site would hypothetically trade to acquire Adams (if he were on another team) today and send our 2020 #1 and #3 or similar to get him.
Yet when offered the same in reverse, that very same player is SO valued that we wouldn't trade him away for that very same #1 and #3 or similar.
This kind of "overvaluation of what you already have" is quite common, but it's so clearly in effect here, it's a brilliant example of behavioral psychology in action.
This again? Should the Jets trade a 1 and a 3 for any player?
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5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:
Yawn. We wouldn't be looking to trade Deshaun Watson or Pat Mahomes if they were the pick at 6. Those 2 are facing off in the playoffs this week while our BEST season with Jamal has been 7-9.
People need to stop being so sensitive about the Adams trade talk. It's getting embarrassing.
Oh BS. How many trade Sam threads have there been on the forum?
Do you think Watson or Pat perform any better running for their life every down?
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5 hours ago, Warfish said:
I simply do not agree re: Adams or his value to this franchise's future.
But respecting that view, the plan is easily modified to suit, you just get less tools to fill our many gaping holes at vital spots.
Still does most of what I want to see done.
Harrison starts at Center unless he can improved via FA.
P.S. Love you too Bit.
What if most of the Mocks are right and Wirfs is off the board. Who do you take at 1? Lamb? That would make Jefferaon a pointless pickon the second and if the Jets take Willis over Lamb, I will be on this board saying we past on a what is possibly a generational WR for a reach at OL.
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3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:
Have you been watching the Jets since Mangold declined and retired?
It hasn't been as bad as it was thos season. This season the OL fell off a cliff.
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A lot of mocks have Wirfs going in the top 10.
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2 hours ago, jetstream23 said:
Really?
They haven't made it past the Divisional Round of the playoffs since Bill Clinton was President!
If I was a Dallas fan, I'd be pretty happy about this.
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2 hours ago, nyjunc said:
Brady was great in the 2 playoff games, don't be confused by RBs finishing off drives. He didn't play his best in the SB, he had an Eli like SB but they don't get there without him. A year earlier he led his O to 33 points in the SB and they lost.
Brady had a pedestrian playoff last season at best and he sucked in the SB.
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2 hours ago, bla bla bla said:
Then the next question is which team looks desperate enough. The only one I keep landing on is the Dolphins haha they could let That rest a year then
I would say the best situation is The Chargers. Good offensive weapons, good D, and probably will think twice about resigning Rivers.
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11 hours ago, Wonderboy said:
WTF is a system QB? Doesn't every QB play In a particular offense? Brady has 6 rings. Even with all the preferences he’s gotten from the refs, he still has earned his reputation as a great QB.
Agreed. These fans are unbelievable
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1 hour ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:
It never should’ve been that close.
Btw, that “push off” happens on every other reception in the NFL. Imo, good no call.
That was as blatant as it gets
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Mahomes went to QB heaven. There is no other team he has that same kind of success. As far as the two QB's talents, I think Mahomes is a more finished product but he plays on a totally loaded team throwing to a top 3 WR, Best TE in the league, has a solid enough running game, top 3 OL, and his HC is one of the smartest offensive minds the league has ever seen. You couldn't possibly ask for a better situation. If you think Mahomes looks the same on the Jets, i would say you are the one who is not being realistic. As far as Sam making people look good, Anderson looks like a legit WR and he in no way a number 1, but Sam makes him appear like one, Sam has made Griffen into a legit TE receiving threat and that is all behind an OL that can't stop water flowing uphill.
Honestly comparing them is impossible. You just can't. If you like them better, sure, i can't argue with that but I think you put Sam on KC or Houston, you see a very different QB.