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1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:
I think you just made the point Fish was trying to make.
How does paying Adams in 2 years also cost us a first round selection? That is what he just proposed.
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6 minutes ago, Warfish said:
So take the test then:
All other things about the Jets being equal to now:
Pretend we don't have Adams today. Pretend he was drafted by the Cowboys, say.
All other things are equal (All-Pro, Salary desire, availability to trade for him).
Would you, TODAY, trade our #1 Pick and #3 pick this year to acquire him, and pay him $15 million+ per year for the next five years?
I just responded to this idiotic statement in another thread bit here you go.
The Jets should trade their #1 pick for nobody, not even Tyron Smith. We can't afford to take a chance at even a sure thing if we don't know if he will blow up our cap and suck or get injured. If we select a draft pick and he sucks, whatever. Not what you want to see but he doesn't blow up your cap and prevent you from paying other players because we are not an OT, Edge, WR, RB, or S/DB away from competing.
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2 minutes ago, Warfish said:
That makes me happy, actually. Being boring would be far worse.
You will not find me ever supporting resigning Anderson at those rates. Anderson is a #3 WR and at-best can be paid accordingly.
I don't think either are particularly impactful.
If Adams moved the needle, we'd have a better record since he arrived. A Quarterback, an Offense, that wins games. Pass rush (of which Adams is a stand-in at best given our lack of LB, DT and Edge rushers) wins games. Great coverage leading to multiple Interceptions wins games (and Adams did win a game with one of his infrequent turnovers this year) wins games.
Strong Safeties will never be needle movers, they'll always be luxuries or fill ins for weaknesses elsewhere.
Someone put it perfectly:
Pretend you don't have Adams today. Pretend he was drafted by the Cowboys, say.
Would you, TODAY, trade our #1 Pick and #3 pick this year to acquire him, and pay him $15 million+ per year for the next five years?
Given the State of this team, and our horrific 32nd ranked offense, I wouldn't.
And I don't think anyone else would either. And if you wouldn't, and cannot defend doing it, well......we have our answer.
This is the most moronic argument yet. The Jets should trade their #1 pick for nobody, not even Tyron Smith. We can't afford to take a chance at even a sure thing if we don't know if he will blow up our cap and suck or get injured. If we select a draft pick and he sucks, whatever. Not what you want to see but he doesn't blow up your cap and prevent you from paying other players because we are not an OT, Edge, WR, RB, or S/DB away from competing.
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5 minutes ago, Warfish said:
No, building your team around your Strong Safety is not a good investment nor a route to a Title.
I really think you people care too much about the position and not enough about the player. They only thing you anti-Adams groupies complain about is that he plays S.
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3 minutes ago, Green DNA said:
Cunningham Park, big lovers lane parking lot back in the day, or so rumor has it.
Wouldn't know. Didn't have a car 🙂.
Unless lovers lane was under a tree somewhere
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Just now, Jetsfan80 said:
That isn't a small investment. That's 7 % of the cap.
Right now it is and btw, we aren't paying him 15 million now so the argument isn't relevant. We also don't know what he will get but i would bet if we give him a 4 year 60 million deal in two years, by year two of his contract, it will look like pocket change in comparison to what contracts are being paid to S that aren't even as good.
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14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:
The cap going up isn't an excuse to make it rain. You still have to make smart decisions with your resources to win in this league.
And if 15 Million is a small investment capwise to keep an All Pro, that isn't a smart investment hater?
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1 hour ago, ScarletKnight89 said:
I don't think we'll know if it's over till next year. They still won 12 games and are the 3 seed. Any team can lose a playoff game. I'll be more convinced their dynasty is crumbling when I see them go 7-9 or something like that.
Dynasties are built in the playoffs.
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11 minutes ago, Warfish said:
Giving Adams a new contract, for 4-5 years at $15 million per year, would be one of the biggest mistakes this franchise has ever made.
Too much cap for far too little production or impact.
A backwards wrong headed move by a backwards wrongheaded franchise, investing franchise cornerstone type money in a luxury nice-to-have position of minimal legitimate impact at best, especially if we ever get healthy or decent LB's or Edge players, upon which point run stopping pass rushing not-so-great-in-coverage Adams effectively has no role.
I fully expect this IS what will happen. We'll give him five year, $16 mil per, and we'll all hate the deal by its third year.
Every year we hear an argument, how can you give this guy so much money. In 2016 Ramsey or Peterson signed a deal for I think 4 years for 24 Million. I'm sure everyone thought how can you invest so much at that time as well, right now if that deal was struck, everyone would be screaming what a bargain that was.
15 Mil a year will soon be what a kicker gets paid with the way the cap keeps going up.
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21 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:
I was trolling you. You're celebrating a Macc pick.
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22 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:
I actually just read that Demario Davis made first team all-pro. That's a shocker to me.
Davis has been a defensive leader on N.O.
Another great move by the front office. I get when he first came here he wasn't much but on his return, he playee about as well as any LB in the league and we let him go.
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22 hours ago, jetstream23 said:
He's not perfect but he's the best player we have. I also think it's just his antics and animated nature that rub some people the wrong way and cause some fans to automatically diminish what he does. I'm not a rah-rah guy either, I hate the dancing, etc. and would much rather see the Barry Sanders approach of just handing the football to the official after making a sick 70 yard TD run....but Jamal is who he is, and we need to appreciate what we have for as long as we have it.
NFL. NO FUN LEAGUE
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22 hours ago, Beerfish said:
Excellent, the price just went up!
A smart team really would look to deal this player.
Massive value, nice draft coming up. Lots of team needs. the chance to totally remake a roster in one draft.
too bad I think this team and the owner does not have the guts to make such a bold, gutsy move.
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47 minutes ago, MindOverMatter said:
This is a tough call for me because I'm a fan of Adams he is a really good player and all, but given the Jets circumstances it would be tough to pass up multiple high picks for him. Having that extra 1st rounder and multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders allows so much flexibility in your draft board.
Using the Cowboys as an example, Jets would have 11, 17, 2 2nd round, 2 3rd round from the Leo trade....that is the best way to rebuild a roster imo.
At 11 you could take Lamb and wait to grab a Tackle at 17 if the board falls that way. Would love a combo of one of the top WR and LT prospects, or just straight OLine.
Wjat tackle are you taking g at 17. Leatherwood is staying in school, Wirfs and Thinas are off the board. Is it worth taking Lamb and a OL with probably the same talent level as a guy in the second round?
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2 hours ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:
Yeah, I had the same reaction. I lived in Brooklyn Heights at that time and it was pretty scary. Not sure what would prompt someone to glorify it. But then, he IS a Giants fan.
Was so happy when they caught that guy. We all went out to Cuningham park the next night and partied.
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3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:
It's necessary to point it out, because a lot of people are minimizing the weak schedule as a major reason for all of these nice defensive performances Jamal and the Jets had this season.
Right, we see guys running over Barkley and ripping the ball out of Daniels hands just about every week. What was I thinking
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Just now, Jetsfan80 said:
I "hate" me-first players that don't want to be here, compare themselves to Aaron Donald, and who all signs point to either holding out or causing more issues. You act like I "hate" him for no reason.
Very good player. Limited impact. Not worth the money he will want. And would set the offense back if we opted to pay him. Call me a "hater" all you want.
First off, he is not me first. Did you see him the game he wasn injured cheering on the team? That isn't a me first player. You want to know who is me first, Anderson. That is a guy worthy of your disdain.
There also has been no indication from him he intends to hold out. It's the off season, writers gotta find something to write about.
The fact you think his impact is limited speaks volumes of the kind of glasses you view him through. The numbers don't agree with that.
And you are totally a hater. There is no evidence we have we would or would not be able to fix the team and keep Adams. You probably think if we trade Adams, then we fix everything in one season. What is to say if we take Jeudy, he isn't the next Charles Rogers or Peter Warick and Wirfs isn't the next Mandarich. For the trade to be a success, JD has to hit on every pick and there is no evidence he can do that but what we do have evidence of is Adams is one of the top S in the league.
This team is 2 or 3 years away from competing, thank our last two GM's for the great personnel decision on that one.
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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:
A lot of people ripped fumbles from Daniel Jones this year. Just saying.
Lol, yeah, sure. Keep minimizing the guys efforts.
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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:
Would I be telling everyone here "I told you so"? Absolutely.
Would it be a good thing for the Jets? Absolutely not.
But you would be happy as a clam. You can deny it all you want but i know how people that hate particular players as you hate this guy feel when they do something negatively effects the team.
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4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:
That's exactly what you were trying to do in your previous post. Why stop now?
Because you are asking dumb ass questions.
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7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:
No, he really wasn't. A couple unblocked sacks were nice. Those W's wouldn't have happened without the strong CB play we got in those games. Darryl Roberts, Brian Poole and Blessuan Austin had their best games of the season in those wins.
Adams' impact is a lot more limited than you're acknowledging, and certainly isn't worth spending CB1 money when we all know the offense needs something like 7 new starters.
One of the plays was where he ran over one of the Giants blocker to rip the ball out of Jones hands. This is what I mean, you just hate the guy and don't want to hive him any credit.
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40 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:
I don't want him to hold out, because that will reduce his trade value.
Nothing about his personality suggests it would be a surprise if he holds out. He's about to only make $3M and this is the first year where he'll be able to hold out. Meanwhile, he stated himself he puts himself on the level of Aaron Donald.
And as Shane pointed out, two different journalists have brought it up as well.
Oh BS. You would be in your glory crowing like a person that just won lottery about how you were right about him. Nothing would make you happier.
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39 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:
And what if the RB/TE goes out on a route and he blitzes anyways?
Are you testing me? I'm not here to teach you fundamental football?
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34 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:
You don't pay Jamal big money because of a lack of good players.
We already paid CJ Mosley QB money. We can't afford to double down on defensive players at non-impact positions.
See this is where you are wring. Adams is an impact player. He is directly responsible for 2 wins this past season
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No, because that is stupid for a team that is so full of holes as the Jets are but if you are KC, Balt, N.O., or S.F., it is a good move because he might be the difference between and win or loss in the playoffs. That is the goal, to win games in the playoffs.
Giving up out 1st round selction and on top of it, paying a player top money is incredibly stupid and if JD did that, we should all be paying for the next banner to be flown over One Jets Drive for him to be fired.