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  1. 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:


    If you draft a SS high, he'd BETTER damn well be a great one to even come close to justifying that pick slot.  

    Adams is a great one. When ypu are arguably  the best at your position in the NFL, you are great


  2. 13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    We're depleted of talent at premium positions, and especially on offense.  And that will be true whether we keep Jamal or not. 

    That part should make perfect sense.  

    Jamal being a S doesn't  make a bit of difference. You can draft an edge or LT that are busts and been better pff keeping Adams because even though in your opinion  he doesn't  play a premium  position, he is a premium  player

  3. 30 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said:


    You're completely missing the point. Adams on the Jets is like putting a $5000 sound system in a '92 Hyundai Sonata. I mean, yeah it's impressive and does it's job well, but you're still driving a sh*tty 20 year old car with more miles on it than the space shuttle.

    If they can recoup the 1 they got for drafting Adams plus another top 100 pick AND avoid paying him like the best S in the league that's a deal you have to make if you want to really get down to the business of fixing the Jet's ills long term.


    Sorry, i don't  see the point in trading your best player on a team that is depleted of talent. You are trading an known for an unkown. That makes very little sense  to me. 

  4. Just now, Warfish said:


    You asked if the Cowboys picked Adams and should the Jets spend a first on him. The Answer is absolutely no, but if you are talking about Balt, N.O., KC, or S.F., absolutely  if they think he can help win a playoff game. 

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  5. 8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    You just made my argument for me.  


    Awsome, go trade your first round pick and pay top dollar for a player instead of just paying Adams and keeping your forst round pick. Your way is so much better. 

    Just because it makes no sense for the Jets doesn't  mean it doesn't  make sense for a contender

    I swear, it is incredible how thick headed some people are. 

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  6. 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

    Immediately admitting that they made a "mistake" will help them.  They didn't deny it, argue against it, etc.  Probably takes it from penalizing them a 2nd round pick down to a 3rd round pick.  BUT, their history has to absolutely be taken into account here.  They dirty cheaters toe the gray line all the time.....and when they step over it they says, "Oh, we forgot to inform the Bengals....we were just filming some stuff for a scouting video, etc."  When you find one cockroach that means there's 100 in the walls that you don't see.  THAT is the Patriots.

    I think this might be an indication of BB planning to leave and just saying eff it

  7. 22 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

    A quick thought on Gase - Tannehill

    Fans and talking heads are using Tannehill's recent excellent performance as an exhibit to criticize Gase.  Now that Tannehill is no longer being coached by Gase, he looks so much better...

    Tannehill didn't all of a sudden grow a new brain.  He is using what Gase taught him...

    We also know that Peyton manning is a supporter of Gase...

    What does this all add up to ??? 

    Gases has merit as a QB coach and it was fairly noticed by Manning and is being utilized now by Tannehill..

    As impressive as it can look, obviously, it does not add up to Gase being a good HC.

    Gase is not a bum.  Gase knows a lot of football.  Gase can help Darnold learn the position.  

    BUT that does not mean that Gase has been, or is he going to be a good HC...

    The Johnson's need to understand that and act before they blow another season out their ass

    Great, so after Gase makes Darnold look mediocre  for his career as a Jet, we can give up on him and watch him become a FQB for another team. I'm sure all the Fin fans will jist love watching Tanny beat the Pats this weekend. 

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  8. 2 minutes ago, MindOverMatter said:

    Yeah you're right best value would probably be LT @ 11 and WR, CB, or more Oline @ 17. Either way both 1st rounders should be used on the offense unless something wild happens like Okudah drops to 17.

    This draft is so loaded, i would love to see is just trade down a few spots, pick someone like Ruggs, and scoop up an extra 3rd and grab 3 OL in the second and 3rd. 

  9. 4 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

    I don’t think that was what he was saying.  He was saying if he was on another team would you trade for him (giving up a 1st and 3rd) and then pay him $15 million per year?

    No, because that is stupid for a team that is so full of holes as the Jets are but if you are KC, Balt, N.O., or S.F., it is a good move because he might be the difference between and win or loss in the playoffs. That is the goal, to win games in the playoffs. 

    Giving up out 1st round selction and on top of it, paying a player top money is incredibly  stupid and if JD did that, we should all be paying for the next banner to be flown over One Jets Drive for him to be fired.  

  10. 1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

    I think you just made the point Fish was trying to make.  

    How does paying Adams in 2 years also cost us a first round selection?  That is what he just proposed.

  11. 6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    So take the test then:

    All other things about the Jets being equal to now:

    Pretend we don't have Adams today.  Pretend he was drafted by the Cowboys, say. 

    All other things are equal (All-Pro, Salary desire, availability to trade for him).

    Would you, TODAY, trade our #1 Pick and #3 pick this year to acquire him, and pay him $15 million+ per year for the next five years?

    I just responded to this idiotic statement  in another  thread bit here you go.

    The Jets should trade their #1 pick for nobody, not even Tyron Smith.  We can't  afford to take a chance at even a sure thing if we don't  know if he will blow  up our cap and suck or get injured. If we select a draft pick and he sucks, whatever. Not what you want to see but he doesn't  blow up your cap and prevent you from paying other players because we are not an OT, Edge, WR, RB, or S/DB away from competing.

  12. 2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    That makes me happy, actually.  Being boring would be far worse. :)

    You will not find me ever supporting resigning Anderson at those rates.  Anderson is a #3 WR and at-best can be paid accordingly.

    I don't think either are particularly impactful.

    If Adams moved the needle, we'd have a better record since he arrived.  A Quarterback, an Offense, that wins games.  Pass rush (of which Adams is a stand-in at best given our lack of LB, DT and Edge rushers) wins games.  Great coverage leading to multiple Interceptions wins games (and Adams did win a game with one of his infrequent turnovers this year) wins games. 

    Strong Safeties will never be needle movers, they'll always be luxuries or fill ins for weaknesses elsewhere.  

    Someone put it perfectly:

    Pretend you don't have Adams today.  Pretend he was drafted by the Cowboys, say.

    Would you, TODAY, trade our #1 Pick and #3 pick this year to acquire him, and pay him $15 million+ per year for the next five years?

    Given the State of this team, and our horrific 32nd ranked offense, I wouldn't. 

    And I don't think anyone else would either.  And if you wouldn't, and cannot defend doing it, well......we have our answer.

    This is the most moronic argument yet. The Jets should trade their #1 pick for nobody, not even Tyron Smith.  We can't  afford to take a chance at even a sure thing if we don't  know if he will blow  up our cap and suck or get injured. If we select a draft pick and he sucks, whatever. Not what you want to see but he doesn't  blow up your cap and prevent you from paying other players because we are not an OT, Edge, WR, RB, or S/DB away from competing.  

  13. 5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    No, building your team around your Strong Safety is not a good investment nor a route to a Title.

    I really think you people care too much about the position and not enough about the player. They only thing you anti-Adams groupies  complain about is that he plays S. 

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  14. Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

    That isn't a small investment.  That's 7 % of the cap.  

    Right now it is and btw, we aren't  paying him 15 million now so the argument isn't  relevant.  We also don't  know what he will get but i would bet if we give him a 4 year 60 million deal in two years, by year two of his contract, it will look like pocket change in comparison  to what contracts are being paid to S that aren't  even as good.  

  15. 14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:


    The cap going up isn't an excuse to make it rain.  You still have to make smart decisions with your resources to win in this league.  

    And if 15 Million is a small investment capwise to keep an All Pro, that isn't  a smart investment hater?

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  16. 11 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    Giving Adams a new contract, for 4-5 years at $15 million per year, would be one of the biggest mistakes this franchise has ever made.

    Too much cap for far too little production or impact.

    A backwards wrong headed move by a backwards wrongheaded franchise, investing franchise cornerstone type money in a luxury nice-to-have position of minimal legitimate impact at best, especially if we ever get healthy or decent LB's or Edge players, upon which point run stopping pass rushing not-so-great-in-coverage Adams effectively has no role.

    I fully expect this IS what will happen.  We'll give him five year, $16 mil per, and we'll all hate the deal by its third year.

    Every year we hear an argument, how can you give this guy so much money. In 2016 Ramsey or Peterson signed a deal for I think 4 years for 24 Million. I'm sure everyone thought how can you invest so much at that time as well, right now if that deal was struck, everyone would be screaming what a bargain that was. 

    15 Mil a year will soon be what a kicker gets paid with the way the cap keeps going up. 

  17. 22 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

    I actually just read that Demario Davis made first team all-pro. That's a shocker to me. 

    Davis has been a defensive leader on N.O.

    Another great move by the front office. I get when he first came here he wasn't  much but on his return, he playee about as well as any LB in the league and we let him go.

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  18. 22 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

    He's not perfect but he's the best player we have.  I also think it's just his antics and animated nature that rub some people the wrong way and cause some fans to automatically diminish what he does.  I'm not a rah-rah guy either, I hate the dancing, etc. and would much rather see the Barry Sanders approach of just handing the football to the official after making a sick 70 yard TD run....but Jamal is who he is, and we need to appreciate what we have for as long as we have it.


  19. 22 hours ago, Beerfish said:

    Excellent, the price just went up!

    A smart team really would look to deal this player. 

    Massive value, nice draft coming up.  Lots of team needs. the chance to totally remake a roster in one draft.

    too bad I think this team and the owner does not have the guts to make such a bold, gutsy move.

    curb your enthusiasm GIF

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