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  1. 1 hour ago, MicDrass1 said:

    They held our Wrs every play. Nfl fix.  Pennington was crazy good when healthy.  

    well that and the fact the Jets had ZERO run defense back then.  worked well when they were blowing out the Colts and Peyton had to keep passing, but the Raiders ran the ball I think like 15 consecutive plays at one point?  it was ridiculous - the Jets just could not stop the run.

  2. 4 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

    No...you’re right.  My mistake.

    I guess I just wanted that game recognized since the numbers were great for Darnold...again, making lots of plays, with not much of a team around him, and leading the team in a game that should have been won over Aaron Rodgers.

    no I agree 100%.  It was a great game for him, and should be "counted" - but just didn't fit into my argument.

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  3. 8 minutes ago, Joejet said:

    I really struggle understanding the anti Darnold crowd.  He is our qb and we should all be pro Darnold.  That being said, he does have to improve in a number of areas.  I personally believe he has the ability and work ethic to become a top 10-15 qb with an outside chance of becoming a top 5 down the road if given a chance to grow in a stable offense with a decent line and good weapons.

    me too.  I have enough giants fans in my life telling me how awful the Jets are (see the irony in that?) - so I don't need to come HERE and get the same thing!  it's ridiculous.

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  4. 8 hours ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

    You left out Green Bay the week after Houston last year....38 points 3 TDs 350 yards....he was etching a notch into his belt “Win over Aaron Rodgers at 21 years old”.....then with almost no time left....Bowles D “did its thing”.  The Kid has put up 30+ points in about 1/2 his starts since “the light went on” when he came back for the last 4 games of 2018 into this year.

    This is why I adjust his W-L record (Houston, Green Bay etc)...and it irks some people.  But I do it knowing that Sanchez, Pennington, Geno Smith would have won no more than 3 games playing with this OL and lack of play makers...over the same number of games Darnold has played....that should really put things into perspective.  

    Darnold has leaks in his game that I am confident he will correct (he already corrected an “elongated” throwing motion coming out of college to having Brian Baldinger totally marvel at how lightning quick his release was on that play in his own end zone last week where he had a defender draped all over him)....but he IS going to be a Franchise QB.

    I actually initially had the Packers game in there but then removed it because the point I was trying to make was 4th qtr comebacks, and the Jets were winning pretty much the whole game.  actually, now that I think about it, did the Pack actually take the lead in the 4th qtr?  maybe they did - I forget.  bt yes, that was another great game out of Sam.  unfortunately, he never got a chance in the OT.

  5. Just now, SAR I said:


    SAR I

    exactly.  just like the texans game last year...and the Browns game last year.....both times, Sam had the 4th qtr come from behind win in hand...and then the defense gave it up and we lost both games.

    same happened yesterday, but this time, Sam went right back down the field yet again and won the game.  progress.

    and I agree.  the fact that people are complaining about this guy shows just how good he is!  we would have all killed for a performance like that out of Geno, or Hack, etc etc etc

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  6. I will say, I do like these type of games better than the Bengals/Dolphins/Redskins types.  nobody is expecting a win, so anything is gravy.  those other types of games, we are expected to win, and when we do, the reaction is: "meh well it was ONLY the fins".  I just hope the Jets don't get embarrassed like the Pats game.  at least play a little competitive, and as always, the biggest thing is for Sam to play well (or at least as well as a person can with that team...)

  7. 7 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:


    I'm going with the fact that it was one game, that Darnold wasn't horrible yesterday (as many have said), and that even excellent Quarterbacks have bad games.  He was very average yesterday.  In fact, he was exactly average as I think he was the 16th overall QB in Rating.  2 TDs, 1 INT, 270 yards and a win....but most of yesterday's game day thread was focused on missing WRs and throwing off the back foot.  Not that those latter things aren't important, they are.  But this is a 5-win Jets team and my commentary is more about a fan base that not only hates the losses we've had but that can't even enjoy a win anymore.  If Week 1's one-point loss to the Bills was a train wreck for our fans then yesterday's one-point win still seems like a car crash for some reason.  Sam made some mistakes and had some misses, he also won the game, had more TDs than INTs, and lead an offense that tried to run but still only averaged around 3.9 yards per carry for Powell.

    I  think you nailed it right there.  can't bitch and moan about the 1-point loss in week one and then still be pi$$ed about yesterday!  Sam could not lead the GW drive in week one, and he did yesterday.  that is progress.  we have seen games where overall he played very well, but in crunch time, he could not get it done.  yesterday, he played very well in the first half and then had a bad second half (he was the first to admit it at the press conference afterwards) but he had two GW drives in the 4th quarter yesterday.  man, it felt like the texans game from last year:  Sam leads team down for a GW drive and then the defense just lets the opponent go right down and score.  difference is, this game, Sam marched the offense right back down the field again and won the game!

    and I don't want to hear that it "was only the fins".  the fins that had beaten us 4 times in a row.  and that team that the Jets trotted out there yesterday should not be able to beat any professional football team.  I'm sorry.  the fact that we could win against anyone yesterday is a good thing.

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  8. This board acts like we have a good roster. 
    Any win this team gets, especially with the incredible litany of injuries, is a struggle. 
    We probably had like 8-10 guys start for us today who are barely even NFL backups. 
    Compare our offensive line and secondary to every other unit in the league. Are we not bottom 3 in both groups?

    Exactly! The fact the Jets can win against ANYONE with that roster is a minor miracle. How many starters are out? Both corners, one safety, three LBs, FOUR o-linemen, Herndon, Quincy, Bell (BELL!), then even Griffin goes down! Are you kidding me?
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  9. This fan base is atrocious. They haven’t had a QB in 60 years but they can’t tolerate anything but perfection when a 22 year old stud lands on their laps... the kid threw for 270, 2 TDs, and a game winning drive... without Bell or a TE on the field. Was it his best game? Of course not, but this one goes in the positive column for ANY QB in the NFL

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. I have been saying this for weeks! It’s not like we had Brady here for 19 years and Sam is replacing him. Uncle Josh, Fitztragic, Geno, Hack, Sanchez....I could go on....
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  10. Last year in buffalo.
    also, the last time he had the ball in the Dallas game, he drove us for what ended up being the clinching points.
    on the flipside, he failed to get the job done week 1 this year.
    yes, he has gotten very few opportunities to do this so far in his very young career 

    And technically, the giants win. It was early 4th quarter, but still a “4th quarter comeback” victory.
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  11. 100% yes.  I also watched the practice today at 12:15 and EA was commenting on how Sam had a nice "snot missile" or "snot bullet" or something like that.  but yes, you could totally hear it in his voice during the PC, and how he kept "sniffling".

    let's hope it's not another round of the "M" word....

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  12. 4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    of course fans don't care, they just want the W.

    But when arguing about "did enough" vs. "did not do enough", simply scoring 16 (8 by the Offense) early is not generally enough.

    You cannot give the offense credit for a defensive score.  Sure, the TEAM gets credit, but not the Offense.  They didn't do it.

    So we have an O that scored 8 points, and missed a short-field opportunity to score 3 points.  

    Scoring 11 points on offense is a loss most weeks.  And it's certainly a loss vs. a team that scored 17 points with their Offense.  

    No one is saying Sam didn't play well early, he obviously did.  No one is saying the Mono wasn't a factor.  The question is only the "enough to win" bit, and that's just math.  11 (including the shoulda-got FG) is not enough to win against 17.

    I feel like all I am doing today is responding to your posts!  LOL

    I was at that game against the Bills.  I can barely get to go to any games, so that one sticks out for me.  but yeah, throughout the game, I was definitely disappointed with the offense.  I was not one of the people on this forum who expected the Jets to put up 35 points a game, but something seemed...off.

    and three days later we find out Sam has mono.  I know you don't like to use it as an "excuse" but come on!  as a guy who had mono when he was 21 (yes folks, it does happen at that age - Sam is only a year older than I was!) I am amazed he was able to come back and play NFL football by the cowboys game!  

    we can argue about that game and the fins game - that's all I keep hearing about nowadays:  "man, if the Jets had just held on against the bills and beaten the fins".....I look at it more with the mono.  is there any doubt in anyone's mind that the Jets as they are playing right now would beat the browns and eagles?  The pats - forget about it, but man, losing Sam for those three games to mono was the real killer.

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  13. 1 minute ago, Warfish said:

    I wouldn't say that.

    Sure, they're bad.  No doubt about it.  But so are we.

    If we play them hard and compete, and Sam (most importantly) plays well, but it's a shootout, and we lose say 34-31 late......I think most of us would still feel pretty good because 31 means Sam played well again (most likely).  

    would it be disappointing?  Absolutely.  But there is a reason you hear alot of folks say "It's all about Darnold", because it is honestly.  Half or more of this team playing now won't be Jets in 2020.  Darnold will tho, and how he develops and plays is what matters.

    It kinda sucks that once again we're playing somewhat meaningless (from a playoff standpoint) games late, and thus some of the pressure is off Sam Darnold to win (a good judge on a QB is pressure games).  But if he plays well again down the late stretch, thats two years in a row he's come back from being out to play well down the stretch.  That's something.

    The real test of Darnold next year:  Play all 16 games.  No injuries.  No Mono.  Then we'll get a much better feel for Sam and his future here.

    man you are all over the place!  when we beat the vagiants and redskins (and Sam plays very well) you dismiss it because those teams suck.  but now, if we lose to yet ANOTHER (fins) winless team, you don't think it will be that big of a deal?

    I do however, agree with you on Darnold.  we need to see him keep playing well.  last year, after he came back and beat Buffalo, I was all in on "let Sam play well, but have the Jets lose, so we get a higher draft pick".  but that was in week 15.  But it's week 13, and the Jets are in the midst of something special - I want that 5 wins in a row!  Plus, I have no confidence in the Jets front office to make any good picks in the draft anyway.  I know we now have Douglas, but until he proves he can draft well, I'm pessimistic.

    I'm getting off track here.  My point is:  I think Jets NEED to win this week and next week.  and they need to not get embarrassed by the Ravens, like the pats game.  If they do all that, I think they have a real shot at winning the last 2 games and going 8-8.  and after mono, CJ, herndon, this O-line, 1-7 start etc etc etc, that would be amazing!

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  14. 1 minute ago, Bomberjet said:

    Too much in this thread is made stats and metrics. You can't possibly put numbers or figures into the equation if there are variables that need to be fixed or reduced - which happens to be the OL, his bout with MONO  and to a lesser degree the weapons at Sam's disposal. I say this because the last 3 games we've seen that Sam is becoming more comfortable with the players he's targeting. 

    Sam's inconsistency doesn't worry me as much as the teams propensity to be the 'Same Ole Jets' they've shown in the past against teams like the Beganls and Phins

    I'm with you on that.  this game against the bengals scares the crap out of me.  all these good feelings we have been having for the last month get flushed down the toilet if the Jets lose.

  15. 2 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

    The way people view Sam is very interesting. Some just cannot get past a couple of really bad games, and regardless of what he does outside of those games, they just go back to the bad games over and over and over as if they is the accurate representation of him, not all the other games. Someone posted a statistic that if you remove the NE game, Sam's overall performance is terrific. But many just can get past those games, and ignore how much they skew the statistical picture of his performance.

    For many, interceptions seem to be the only measure of a QB. Even if he throws 4 TDs some will bemoan the interception over and over and just ignore all other elements of his play.

    I have a theory that people have a personal perception of what a QB should be. Their own mental model so to speak. I think for many on this board, the model of the QB that is just a game manager who doesn't turn the ball over and doesn't take risks is the perfect QB. That model has been drilled into Jets fans heads from the Parcells days. Parcells, Herm, Mangini, Rex, Bowles all wanted that "game manager" type guy that would just not be a negative and allow the defense to win. An Alex Smith like QB, that has been what has been preached by Jets HCs for a very long time.

    Sam Darnold is not that guy in any way, shape of form. He is an aggressive QB that thinks he can make any throw and save any down. He takes risks, most of which turn out well bit some don't. The game manager model guys just see that as "bad decisions" or not "protecting the football"

    So no matter what Sam does he will never be "they guy" in their eyes because he is just not of that mold, that mental picture they have of the QB,




    I agree.  Let's go back to Hack.  or Geno.  or Sanchise.  or......



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  16. 50 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

    He played a top 3 Defensive team while having the effects of mono.  Played better that day than Brady and other higher thought of QBs did.  Put up enough points to win that game, would have with the 4 other points that should have been put up or if the D closed out a game Like they should have.  

    Miami.  One pass, that’s all we remember, hit and knocked down as he was throwing it away.  But because of that it translates to the entire game.  He threw passes at 69%, 260 yds, QB rating just under 90.  Agree Pats, Jags, not good.  That’s not half the season.  That’s two games.  Out of 7?  Off illness, major roster issues & 4 games last year.  

    it’s impossible for any of to know how much the mono effected his play, he’ll never admit he was hurting when he returned.  But he also couldn’t practice until that week before his return.  Point isn’t that he’s a top 5 QB yet.  Point is he’s proved a lot give what we’ve seen of his play, is more than hype, from almost everyone who watches him play

    sometimes, you just gotta stop feeding the trolls, you know Jet Nut?

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