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  1. This fan base is atrocious. They haven’t had a QB in 60 years but they can’t tolerate anything but perfection when a 22 year old stud lands on their laps... the kid threw for 270, 2 TDs, and a game winning drive... without Bell or a TE on the field. Was it his best game? Of course not, but this one goes in the positive column for ANY QB in the NFL

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. I have been saying this for weeks! It’s not like we had Brady here for 19 years and Sam is replacing him. Uncle Josh, Fitztragic, Geno, Hack, Sanchez....I could go on....
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  2. Last year in buffalo.
    also, the last time he had the ball in the Dallas game, he drove us for what ended up being the clinching points.
    on the flipside, he failed to get the job done week 1 this year.
    yes, he has gotten very few opportunities to do this so far in his very young career 

    And technically, the giants win. It was early 4th quarter, but still a “4th quarter comeback” victory.
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  3. 100% yes.  I also watched the practice today at 12:15 and EA was commenting on how Sam had a nice "snot missile" or "snot bullet" or something like that.  but yes, you could totally hear it in his voice during the PC, and how he kept "sniffling".

    let's hope it's not another round of the "M" word....

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  4. 4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    of course fans don't care, they just want the W.

    But when arguing about "did enough" vs. "did not do enough", simply scoring 16 (8 by the Offense) early is not generally enough.

    You cannot give the offense credit for a defensive score.  Sure, the TEAM gets credit, but not the Offense.  They didn't do it.

    So we have an O that scored 8 points, and missed a short-field opportunity to score 3 points.  

    Scoring 11 points on offense is a loss most weeks.  And it's certainly a loss vs. a team that scored 17 points with their Offense.  

    No one is saying Sam didn't play well early, he obviously did.  No one is saying the Mono wasn't a factor.  The question is only the "enough to win" bit, and that's just math.  11 (including the shoulda-got FG) is not enough to win against 17.

    I feel like all I am doing today is responding to your posts!  LOL

    I was at that game against the Bills.  I can barely get to go to any games, so that one sticks out for me.  but yeah, throughout the game, I was definitely disappointed with the offense.  I was not one of the people on this forum who expected the Jets to put up 35 points a game, but something seemed...off.

    and three days later we find out Sam has mono.  I know you don't like to use it as an "excuse" but come on!  as a guy who had mono when he was 21 (yes folks, it does happen at that age - Sam is only a year older than I was!) I am amazed he was able to come back and play NFL football by the cowboys game!  

    we can argue about that game and the fins game - that's all I keep hearing about nowadays:  "man, if the Jets had just held on against the bills and beaten the fins".....I look at it more with the mono.  is there any doubt in anyone's mind that the Jets as they are playing right now would beat the browns and eagles?  The pats - forget about it, but man, losing Sam for those three games to mono was the real killer.

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  5. 1 minute ago, Warfish said:

    I wouldn't say that.

    Sure, they're bad.  No doubt about it.  But so are we.

    If we play them hard and compete, and Sam (most importantly) plays well, but it's a shootout, and we lose say 34-31 late......I think most of us would still feel pretty good because 31 means Sam played well again (most likely).  

    would it be disappointing?  Absolutely.  But there is a reason you hear alot of folks say "It's all about Darnold", because it is honestly.  Half or more of this team playing now won't be Jets in 2020.  Darnold will tho, and how he develops and plays is what matters.

    It kinda sucks that once again we're playing somewhat meaningless (from a playoff standpoint) games late, and thus some of the pressure is off Sam Darnold to win (a good judge on a QB is pressure games).  But if he plays well again down the late stretch, thats two years in a row he's come back from being out to play well down the stretch.  That's something.

    The real test of Darnold next year:  Play all 16 games.  No injuries.  No Mono.  Then we'll get a much better feel for Sam and his future here.

    man you are all over the place!  when we beat the vagiants and redskins (and Sam plays very well) you dismiss it because those teams suck.  but now, if we lose to yet ANOTHER (fins) winless team, you don't think it will be that big of a deal?

    I do however, agree with you on Darnold.  we need to see him keep playing well.  last year, after he came back and beat Buffalo, I was all in on "let Sam play well, but have the Jets lose, so we get a higher draft pick".  but that was in week 15.  But it's week 13, and the Jets are in the midst of something special - I want that 5 wins in a row!  Plus, I have no confidence in the Jets front office to make any good picks in the draft anyway.  I know we now have Douglas, but until he proves he can draft well, I'm pessimistic.

    I'm getting off track here.  My point is:  I think Jets NEED to win this week and next week.  and they need to not get embarrassed by the Ravens, like the pats game.  If they do all that, I think they have a real shot at winning the last 2 games and going 8-8.  and after mono, CJ, herndon, this O-line, 1-7 start etc etc etc, that would be amazing!

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  6. 1 minute ago, Bomberjet said:

    Too much in this thread is made stats and metrics. You can't possibly put numbers or figures into the equation if there are variables that need to be fixed or reduced - which happens to be the OL, his bout with MONO  and to a lesser degree the weapons at Sam's disposal. I say this because the last 3 games we've seen that Sam is becoming more comfortable with the players he's targeting. 

    Sam's inconsistency doesn't worry me as much as the teams propensity to be the 'Same Ole Jets' they've shown in the past against teams like the Beganls and Phins

    I'm with you on that.  this game against the bengals scares the crap out of me.  all these good feelings we have been having for the last month get flushed down the toilet if the Jets lose.

  7. 2 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

    The way people view Sam is very interesting. Some just cannot get past a couple of really bad games, and regardless of what he does outside of those games, they just go back to the bad games over and over and over as if they is the accurate representation of him, not all the other games. Someone posted a statistic that if you remove the NE game, Sam's overall performance is terrific. But many just can get past those games, and ignore how much they skew the statistical picture of his performance.

    For many, interceptions seem to be the only measure of a QB. Even if he throws 4 TDs some will bemoan the interception over and over and just ignore all other elements of his play.

    I have a theory that people have a personal perception of what a QB should be. Their own mental model so to speak. I think for many on this board, the model of the QB that is just a game manager who doesn't turn the ball over and doesn't take risks is the perfect QB. That model has been drilled into Jets fans heads from the Parcells days. Parcells, Herm, Mangini, Rex, Bowles all wanted that "game manager" type guy that would just not be a negative and allow the defense to win. An Alex Smith like QB, that has been what has been preached by Jets HCs for a very long time.

    Sam Darnold is not that guy in any way, shape of form. He is an aggressive QB that thinks he can make any throw and save any down. He takes risks, most of which turn out well bit some don't. The game manager model guys just see that as "bad decisions" or not "protecting the football"

    So no matter what Sam does he will never be "they guy" in their eyes because he is just not of that mold, that mental picture they have of the QB,

     

     

     

    I agree.  Let's go back to Hack.  or Geno.  or Sanchise.  or......

     

    Please.

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  8. 50 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

    He played a top 3 Defensive team while having the effects of mono.  Played better that day than Brady and other higher thought of QBs did.  Put up enough points to win that game, would have with the 4 other points that should have been put up or if the D closed out a game Like they should have.  

    Miami.  One pass, that’s all we remember, hit and knocked down as he was throwing it away.  But because of that it translates to the entire game.  He threw passes at 69%, 260 yds, QB rating just under 90.  Agree Pats, Jags, not good.  That’s not half the season.  That’s two games.  Out of 7?  Off illness, major roster issues & 4 games last year.  

    it’s impossible for any of to know how much the mono effected his play, he’ll never admit he was hurting when he returned.  But he also couldn’t practice until that week before his return.  Point isn’t that he’s a top 5 QB yet.  Point is he’s proved a lot give what we’ve seen of his play, is more than hype, from almost everyone who watches him play

    sometimes, you just gotta stop feeding the trolls, you know Jet Nut?

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  9. 10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

    Outside of the horrid Pats game and Jags game Sam has played well.  There were more than just scrub teams included.  I know you can’t throw out those bad games but they need closer looks than just saying he sucked.  A lot falls on him but the OL was a huge contributor.  Can’t complete many or decisive passes on your ass.  Leaving the Jags game in, without the Pats his QB rating is over 100.  His comp % is where we all wanted it.  He’s decisive and accurate.  Mobile. Following up the same things over his last 4-5 games a year ago when over that time he was ranked the NFLs top QB.  With this OL, this depleted WR group he’s shown over and over why he was drafted 3rd.  Announcers keep saying just that

    Objectivity and especially fact based analysis sounds kind of weak here 

    precisely.  BB is a football genius.  Personally, I think he exposed a flaw in Sam's game that week.  after his 1st INT, they showed a graphic for Sam previously against the blitz.  I forget exact numbers, but he had 0 INTs, and a very good rating.  4 INTs later, and it messed with his head.  and I think it carried over into the Jags game (ghostbusters?), and to a lesser extent, even the fins game.  Thank God the vagiants are just a dumpster fire and he was able to get back on track!

    I think the comparison the Favre I saw ealier here is a great one.  take that throw to Robbie last week:  Sam has a TON of room to easily run for a 1st down, but instead throws a pinpoint pass JUST over the defender for a huge gain.  He took a chance; it paid off.  if the defender jumps an inch higher, EVERYONE is killing him for making a stupid decision when he could have run for an easy 1st down.  It's plays like that:  you have to accept the potential for the bad play in order to get the amazing play.

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  10. 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

    There has been nothing phenomenal about Daks play this season.  They’re a mediocre team right now that has benefitted by an easy schedule.  They play a good team, they lose 

    I agree, and think of it this way:  the Jets would only be 2 games out of a division championship if they were in the NFC East!  that says something!!

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  11. 9 minutes ago, rangerous said:

    true enough.  but even the good teams need to beat the bad teams to get to the playoffs.  so i wouldn't necessarily beating a bad team as some kind of put down to darnolds ability.  i seriously doubt they win the giants or redskins game with the like of falk or semian at qb.

    exactly!  as bad as those teams are, people forget that the Jets were UNDERDOGS in both games!!!  Let's not act like Sam is QB of the greatest show on turf here!  

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  12. 1 minute ago, Warfish said:

    I don't understand this kind of thinking.

    If (for example) we had really bad QB's most of our history, and we have, getting (for example) a slightly below-average QB does not convert that QB into an elite QB.  I get that after eating sh*t for years, even dog food might taste good, but that's a VERY subjective evaluation limited to those who ate the sh*t all those years.

    Darnold has shown great flashes and some periods of great play so far.  He is 100% worth investing around based on his play to-date.  He is also not "elite" or "special" or any of the other hyperbole some here at JN are using to describe him.  Not yet.  I don;t think it's a sin to compare him against the average NFL QB (he's below average still to-date), with an eye towards his potential future.  He doesn't need to be slathered with (as yet) unearned praise, or labeled with accolades he simply hasn't yet earned (elite accuracy, for example), to justify our faith and confidence in his potential and future.

    We should all be excited.  Let me Repeat:  WE SHOULD ALL BE EXCITED!  We should all be optimistic.

    My only objection is the excessive hyperbole.  Sam Darnold is not a top 5 QB today.  He can be in the future.  And we hope he will be.  

    NOBODY is saying top 5 QB.  Not that I have seen anyway.  But the CONSTANT beat downs...week...after week...after week.....it's nauseating!  I mean the kid has a great game, and all you hear on here is: "yeah well it's the giants".  He has 4 TD passes and it's: "yeah, BUT it was the redskins, AND he had a terrible INT".  Then  you figure he has a great game against a (then ) playoff team and there are still complaints!

    all this with a God-awful line (80% of which are not even the starters!), no Quincy, no herndon, etc.  again, I have never said top 5 QB, but it's almost like people on here are rooting AGAINST him!

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  13. LOVE the people on here always complaining about Darnold.....yeah because we have had such a long line of elite QBs. HUGE shoes for Sammy to fill: immortals like Geno, Hack, Sanchize, the Beard, etc etc etc.

    Come on people! Not like he’s replacing Montana or Brady here!

  14. I agree. For people like me (born in the 70s), SOJ is not a game like NE where we get blown out; SOJ is Jets BEATING team like the Pats one week, then losing the very next week to a team that has not won a game all year(I.e. Bengals). Jets NEED TO WIN these next two games!

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  15. I was dead wrong, and I admit I didn't think that the Jets could play as well as they did on offense.  Three games in a row now, amazing.
    For me, I am a Jets fan, so I was happy to see it happen, but I won't be making any Jets predictions, at least on this board, for the rest of this year.  I'm still happy we won. 

    Hey man you’ve been on the money in recent weeks, but am I happy you were wrong this week!
  16. Of the remaining five games, I just don't seen losing to the Bengals or Steelers. Most of that has to do with their QBs against Williams' defense. The Jets should beat the dolphins. Have a good chance against the Bills. And will have to play a perfect game to be the Ravens. 8-8 isn't bad considering how the season started, but makes those losses to the Bills, Browns and Dolphins that much more unforgivable. 
     
    Again, we've played the 27th, 28th and 29th ranked DVOA in defenses. But next week with the next two weeks bringing the 31st and 32nd, I don't expect the outcomes to be much different. 

    Wow. Way to poop in our Cheerios. Geez. Just friggin enjoy it!


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  17. Instead of misrepresenting what I've been saying, maybe you should go damage control all of that "Quinnen Williams" talk by you this offseason. 
    That was almost as bad as your "the offense is good to go" nonsense. 


    Villain on fire! I picture you like Clark Griswold screaming at the end of Christmas Vacation. “Where’s the Tylenol?” LOL


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