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  1. 22 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

    stack the box? play action. 

    Defenses would rather not have to go to the eight in the box strategy because it takes away from the pass coverage. However, teams that run the ball effectively force defenses to go to this strategy. Once a defense does this, the offense can run play-action passes to keep the defenders near the line of scrimmage as the receivers (usually 1 or 2 since, often, heavy packages are in the game including tight ends in place of receivers) run by them and have an entire field to run away from a cornerback, putting the defensive backs at a disadvantage. This scheme can also work against the team that is covering the run. In a base defensive set, there are 3 levels of defenders; line, linebackers, and safeties. The safeties are there to keep runners from going all the way for the score. However, when one safety creeps down toward the line of scrimmage, that leaves only one high safety to make the tackle once the runner has broken the first line of defense.

    Jets opponents next year

    Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh Steelers, Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants, Jacksonville Jaguars, New York Giants, New England Patriots , Miami Dolphins, Buffalo Bills, Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati Bengals, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins

    So now lets talk about our opponents corner backs and who will absolutely shut down all of our #2 wide receivers and bell/herndon.

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  2. 3 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

    Fournette, Howard, McCoy, Hunt and CJA did NOT have quality QB play in 2017. Bell had Big Ben who made you pay for stacking the box.

    1. Bortles
    2. Rookie Trubisky/Glennon
    3.  Alex Smith ( MVP candidate after a 5-0 start to the year. But he hit a slump starting with the Pittsburgh Steelers in game six. He shied away from throwing deep, got away from the running game and the Chiefs lost 6 of 7 games at one point. During those game,s Smith had the ball in his hand with the chance to win the game 6 times and failed on every one of them )
    4. Siemen / Osweiler.


    As I completely agree with you that Big Ben has a huge effect on Bell,

    I don't think the comparisons between these quarterbacks and Darnold can be made. 

    He is way more advanced and that is as a rookie, than any of those quarterbacks other than Trubisky who has a solid sophomore year. 

    I don't think he will put up Big Ben numbers 67% completion , 5,129, 34 touchdowns / 16 interceptions

    Maybe something like this isn't out of reach 

    Darnold 62% completion, 4,2000, 28 touchdowns / 18 interceptions 

    2018 : 57% completion, 2,865, 17 touch downs / 15 interceptions 




  3. 7 minutes ago, Maxman said:

    Sam Darnold. The reason the Jets will see less 8 man fronts than in years past.

    The other this is the Jets have 3 #2 receivers....keep them all on the field with Herndon. Spread people out you can run or pass on any down. Crazy concept based on what we have seen from the Jets in years past.

    I completely agree. Kind of what he did at USC and what I think Gase was trying to bring to Miami. Not necessarily a "labeled" spread offense but a lot of wrinkle of that and a possible week to week change on scheme 

    Found an article from when Darnold was at USC. Here is a small piece of it. After that is another piece from Gase when he started in Miami and what he was trying to bring as far as week to week scheming. 

    "I think we're a spread," Darnold said. "But I think we like to run the ball a little bit more than the typical spread offense would. But, yeah, I guess we're a spread, if you want to put it in literal terms."

    Offensive coordinator Tee Martin said that USC is "doing some of those concepts a little more."

    Coach Clay Helton poked a hole in the spread theory, explaining that a traditional spread uses four receivers and no tight ends.

    And, Helton said, "we always have a tight end of the field."

    USC never expected its offense to fit neatly in any existing categories. In training camp, right tackle Zach Banner called USC's offense the "smash and gun" — effectively, power football on fast forward. That is still the bedrock, but Darnold has further muddled the classification.

    "Honestly," receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster said, pausing to consider, "I can't really say it's a spread team. It's a mixture of everything."


    My influences coming from Martz and doing what we did in Denver and kind of developing a different deal in Chicago, so it’s just so many things combined it’s hard to put your thumb on what exactly it is.


    “I just know that we just look to kind of be able adapt from week to week and do what’s best for that game that marries up with our defense and special teams.”

  4. 4 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

    If that becomes SOP of a DC, I would run wheel routes and move Bell out wide right before the snap. An LB or S would have to come up in coverage. Creates a lot of HAVOC.

    Works in madden every time lol 

    Really excited to see how this benefits Herndon as well. He lines up a lot in the slot and has great route running towards the middle of the field.

    Still would like to see them bring another tight end in to compete with or potentially replace the "soon to be" bust from Clemson Jordan Leggett. 

    Maybe bring back ASJ, Austin Seferian Jenkins 

  5. 8 minutes ago, jgb said:

    He’s gonna find that all those other mouths to feed help him even when he gets the ball. Defenders are gonna laser focus on him as a Jet. My guess is he’s pretty lackluster in running game first couple games. Up to Game/Darnold to make defenses pay to keep them honest.

    Below is a tweet I found from 2016

    Marcus Mosher Retweeted Marcus Mosher

    Marcus Mosher added,

    Marcus MosherVerified account @Marcus_Mosher
    Le'Veon Bell sees a 8+ man box 28% of the time. Ezekiel Elliott sees a 8+ man box 41% of the time.
    7:54 AM - 16 Dec 2016
    Below are running backs who went against 8-men box defense in 2017

    Fournette - 49%

    Howard - 43%

    Ingram - 42%

    McCoy - 36%

    Gordon - 29%

    Hunt - 24%

    CJA - 22%

    Bell - 20%

    • Gurley - 17%


    I agree with you that Bell will be seeing about double the more 8 men box defense sets than he had with all of those play makers.

    But the same way Ju Ju Smith,AB,and M.Bryant benefited from one on one coverage considering 85% of the defense is covering the run, is the same way Quincy, Robbie Anderson, and Jamison Crowder are gonna raise there numbers. 




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  6. 33 minutes ago, stugotz81 said:

    Oh yeaah!!

    Le’Veon Bell: I can be even more dangerous with Jets

    March 20, 2019 | 5:06pm

    Le'Veon Bell
    Le’Veon Bell believes he has not yet played his best. The new Jets running back believes he can be even better than he was with the Steelers now that he is in a new uniform.

    “Through this whole time,” Bell said in an interview with Sports Illustrated, “I’m still thinking, the first five years in Pittsburgh, people ain’t really seen it yet. Because I still feel like while I was in Pittsburgh, they wasn’t trying to let me go crazy, like, really let me put my foot on the pedal. I feel like now I am in a better situation. I made that bet on myself — a team’s gonna want me, they’re gonna value me, they’re gonna want me to succeed, put me in the right situations to make the plays easier for me, not harder.”

    Bell was a workhorse for the Steelers. He had 406 touches in 2017 before sitting out last year during a contract dispute. He ran for 1,361 yards in 2014 and crossed the 1,200 mark again in 2016 and ’17.

    Still, he thinks he can be better.

    “I know I can do more,” Bell said. “That’s not anywhere close to being my potential or my ceiling. In Pittsburgh, we had a lot of weapons, a lot. So I feel like in Pittsburgh, people felt like everybody gotta get the ball or do this, that or the other. I don’t feel like I had a lot of opportunities like I could have.”

    In the wide-ranging interview, Bell shed some light on the negotiations with the Jets. Even though the contract did not hit the $15 million annual average value he was hoping to land in free agency but the four-year, $52.5 million contract the Jets gave him does have incentives and escalators that could push the value to $15 million per year.

    “I understand the base salary is $13.1 or whatever it is,” Bell said. “But there are incentives to where you have the ability to make $15 million. They met me in the middle. Yeah, we know you want $15 million a year. They know that’s what I ultimately wanted, but, you sat out football all year. So you gotta understand us—I’m talking as the Jets—you still gotta understand us, from our side, we gotta protect ourselves. We can’t put all this in there and you’re still not the same player. …. So if I go out there, I’m the same player, I go out there and do what Le’Veon Bell does, what they expect me to do, I can meet that. That’s something I can agree to. Easy deal.”

    Bell also said he clicked with Jets coach Adam Gase.

    Le'Veon Bell throws gas on Ben Roethlisberger controversy: 'Tough to play with'
    “When I talked to coach Gase, I felt like me and him were on the same level,” he said. “He’s not talking to me like I’m under him. He’s the head coach, but he’s talking to me like we’re on the same level. When I talked to the GM [Mike Maccagnan], he talked to me [and] we’re on the same level. This is a guy that is higher than me, don’t get me wrong, he’s the GM. But it’s like we’re talking like we’re talking – you respect me, I respect you.”

    Bell said he and Gase talked about plays he likes, something that did not happen with Steelers coach Mike Tomlin.

    “[Gase] is excited. I’m excited,” Bell said. “He’s talked to me about plays I like and designs and what routes and things I like to run and how comfortable I am with playing other positions. We’ve talked. That’s why I’m so excited because I feel comfortable enough to even talk to him like that, like we should try to run this. I would never go to coach Tomlin. I remember like my rookie year, when I was coming into camp, I remember there was a play and I was like ‘I like this play, we should try to run this play.’ Coach Tomlin was like, ‘shut up L Bell, you just run the ball.’”



    “[Gase] is excited. I’m excited,” Bell said. “He’s talked to me about plays I like and designs and what routes and things I like to run and how comfortable I am with playing other positions. We’ve talked. That’s why I’m so excited because I feel comfortable enough to even talk to him like that, like we should try to run this. I would never go to coach Tomlin. I remember like my rookie year, when I was coming into camp, I remember there was a play and I was like ‘I like this play, we should try to run this play.’ Coach Tomlin was like, ‘shut up L Bell, you just run the ball.’”

    Reminds me of how Gase talked about staying up late during game weeks and sending and receiving voice recordings through text breaking down film and coverage's. 

    Seem's like he share's that same relationship with potentially more than just his quarterbacks. 

    What Gase had in Tannehill as far as game knowledge and reading defenses was below average. His first 2 years of college he was a wide receiver and who can forget this . 





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  7. 1 minute ago, BettyBoop said:

    In the last 4 games the Jets ran for 104 (with Darnold ripping off one run for 28 yards), 47, 90 and 78 yards.  I think we're blinded by the terrible games by Long to think that Harrison was adequate.  He wasn't.

    What were the rushing attempts on the 3 games with 104, 90, 78? I am curious 

  8. 9 minutes ago, PepPep said:

    Which is why I am advocating for McCoy. He is 1- a legit C...not OT or OG that COULD play C. This guys knows how to play C. 2- He should be there in Rd. 3 b/c he is not a huge talent. He's not Alex Mack who was immovable in college and was drafted in the first round. 3- He can play a variety of schemes and he is 'balanced' in the sense that he is good in the pas game and the run game. 

    Who knows if McCoy will end up being a Pro-Bowl C or not but everything I've read about him suggests he can step right in and start in the NFL.   

    Yah, everyone is talking about our need for offensive line and might be overlooking on how good of a signing Frank Pollack is. 

    Last 3 year rankings of the lines he coached. 

    2018 - Bengals - 12th

    2017 - Cowboys - 10th

    2016 Cowboys 8th

    I know they have great players, I just thought that was a good resume when hiring him. 

    We also have a great a great assistant offense line coach in Derek Frazier


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  9. 4 minutes ago, varjet said:

    When you need OL, these are the types of guys you add and how to develop/workout in rounds 3 and 4.

    Not Ardarius Stewart and Chad Hansen.  

    I couldn't agree more. I would love to see a camp battle between Jonathan Harrison and one of these rookies. 

    The last 4 week's he did very good in the run game ( hint why Darnold played good last 4 games ) 


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  10. 4 minutes ago, PepPep said:


    I think McCoy will be there in Rd. 3 as well. 

    He is solid I am just not sure what kind of scheme Adam Gase is bringing with our personal. 

    In the case of the Dolphins, head coach Adam Gase, typically has not been a “zone-blocking scheme” coach, though it does make some appearances. In December 2014, The MMQB took a look at Gase and his time with the Broncos, writing, “Gase only sprinkles in the occasional zone-blocking run. ’If you want to run zone-running plays, you have to do it over and over again. You have to have reps,’ (former St. Louis Rams head coach Mike) Martz.

    Gase likes to play with two tight ends on the field - something we should see more and more of this year

    Bringing back Eric Tomilson was huge for our scheme I believe. Herndon is a progressing blocker, more known for passing but can get the job done. I think Tomilson is going to benefit well from a lot of 2 tight end sets, where he might not just block. 

    Jury is still out on Jordan  Leggett. 

  11. OhioState_logo.gif Michael Jordan*, C/G, Ohio State 
    Height: 6-6. Weight: 312. 
    Projected 40 Time: 5.20. 
    Projected Round (2019): 2-3. 

    3/16/19: Jordan moved to center in 2018 and proved to be a good starter there, which really improves his value for the NFL. In speaking with sources, they see Jordan as a potential second-day pick. Some scouts who were through Ohio State told me that they thought that Jordan was unlikely to enter the 2019 NFL Draft, but after the season, he announced he was skipping his senior year instead. 

    8/28/18: According to NFL teams' preseason data provided by team sources, Jordan checks in at 6-foot-6, 312 pounds. He is said to run the 40 in 5.20 seconds. His arms measure at 34.63 inches, his hands at 10.25 inches, and his wing span at 84 inches. He has excellent size and length for guard, and his measurable's would fit as a tackle. 

    Jordan broke into the starting lineup as a freshman at guard and showed improvement in 2017 as a sophomore. Jordan should keep up the recent tradition of early-round interior line prospects from Ohio State. He has good size to go with strength and athleticism. After gaining experience and developing, Jordan could dominate as a junior and senior to become an early-round pick in his draft class.



    PennState_logo.gif Connor McGovern, C/G, Penn State 
    Height: 6-5. Weight: 312. 
    Projected 40 Time: 5.31. 
    Projected Round (2019): 3-5. 

    3/16/19: McGovern played well for Penn State in 2018. He has the flexibility to play guard or center in the NFL. His run blocking is ahead of his pass protection. At the combine, McGovern interviewed well, but did not run the 40. 

    8/28/18: McGovern was a quality run blocker for Penn State in 2017, helping to open a lot of holes for Saquon Barkley. In pass protection, McGovern was generally a reliable protector for Trace McSorley. McGovern has good height and length to him. It would help him to get stronger for the NFL


    The jets pick twice in the 3rd round and either of these guys can be there. We have the 4th pick in the 3rd round (68) and the 30th pick in the 3rd round (94) from the Saints.  

  12. 3 hours ago, JiF said:

    He's sooooo fun to watch.  Very few RB's in my lifetime can do what this guy does.  I'm so excited to watch him for 16 (hopefully more) games.  

    What he can do for Sam....man,...you cant put a price tag on it. 

    I agree, 

    Some fans think we overpaid for a running back but value the back up quarterback position at 10 million per year

    Or we can have an offensive minded coach like Gase who will stay up endless nights sending him clips of films and schemes he see's. 

    I think Bell can finish with over 1,000 and 800 receiving which would be huge. 

  13. 1 hour ago, RoadFan said:

    The play against Jacksonville at 3:02 of the breakdown is a good example of why the "mileage" thing is so overstated on Bell.  The second tackler nearby has a chance to put a big hit on him.   Bell sees it coming... and goes down rather than let it happen.   He sees everything.   Best vision in the game.


    I agree, I feel like our wide outs are good blockers too which you need with a running back like Bell. 

    It takes him 3.5 seconds to even get to the line of scrimmage. 

    I like the idea of Q blocking out of the slot or fullback roll  

  14.  I know the first thing everyone is going to say is we do not have a top 5 o line. But with the addition of Kelechi Osemele who we can swing out and a blocking right tackle in Shell if she comes back. Add a center drafted under the 3rd round and I think we can finish with a top 15 offensive line and a lot  of pressure off Darnold 


    Let me know what you guys think 

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  15. 6 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

    Really? You're the Sam guy.

    Your "dream" was no Center or even some OL depth?

    Losing out on an ER (Barr) and having his decision cost us other options at his position was your "dream?"

    Signing a ST guy from the Bears was your "dream?"

    Getting a slot WR coming off an injury and not getting a big body WR was your "dream?"

    Losing two Pro Bowl ST guys, PK and KR was a "dream?"

    Damn nico. Learn how to dream bigger dreams. LOL

    We haven't even drafted yet I think the no offense line talk is a bit premature.

    Not really sure how you can fault Macc on losing Barr during the "legal tampering " period, it sucks we missed on those players but not really sure how you can predict that.

    ST pick up was a solid get

    Pretty sure he was the top slot WR in a new offense that demands slot wide receivers (Albert Wilson)

    Kickers are easy to replace , Roberts I hated losing.

    We signed arguably the top defensive and offensive targets in free agency. We wiffed on the Paradis signing but as of now I grade this a B-




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  16. A little shocked we did pick up Myers for 4/5 mil per year but Mac has never been big on kickers. 

    Disagree with not bringing Andre Roberts back seems like Mac is firm on special teams players with contracts. 

    Not sure if we go the whole day without picking up anyone but I get nervous when there aren't a million fake news for us linked to players. Feels a little dry

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  17. I feel like with the ability to pick up quality lineman (if mac ever drafts one) in the mid rounds or 2nd day of the draft. I'd rather go with Bell over Coleman considering he is a proven workhorse and not a complimented running back. I would rather have Paradis and Ingram to pair with Elijah.

    I also do not understand the "overpaying" for a running back when we dish out 10million for back up quarterbacks. Take Bell and instead of signing a fancy place holder, keep Webb as the number 2. 

    I haven't heard anything on Andre Roberts? Does the signing of Josh Bellamy replace that need? I hope not

  18. He runs a 4.4 and had average numbers with Bortles last year (48 for 670).

    Other than Brown name a number 1 that is in free agency or on the trade block. At 25 he seems like a good replacement for Kearse who could potentially have more upside. 

    Its pretty hard to get free agents to come to your team when you have been losing a lot and don't have a lot of play makers. Overpaying for free agents is what we are going to have to do until Darnold takes us to the next level.

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