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What would their record be? Does Darnold at 100% help get the Jets over the hump week 1? Do they win in Miami, Jacksonville and Cincy? If so would 8-6 right now work for you? Keeping in mind the Jets have had one of the easier schedules in the league. I'm thinking 7-7ish, perhaps 8-6.

On to 2020. Thanks Gase, et al for a great season. The Jets will never win more than 8 games with this charlatan, non-leader of men HC. He does everything seemingly right Mon - Sat. But when it comes to the showdown, on game days - he & his team always buckles.

1) You make some valid points, a few questionable points. 2) Personally, I never called for Gase's firing. I just pointed out alarming offensive red flags beginning with that week 1 offensive fiasco - 8 total offensive points, off 4 first half turnovers: a historically low scoring output. Then the NE MNF disaster, Miami game 1, Bengals, other games and moments. The fact is despite a 3-week mini renaissance the Jets offense is at or near the bottom of every offensive category. 3) By definition, the HC is 100% responsible for his players' performances. The buck stops with him. Player miscues like missed FGs, dropped passes, untimely penalties, etc are ultimately his responsibility. Be they starters, back ups, 3rd stringers or 4th stringers. Solid HCs and programs weed out mistakes and mistake-prone players. 4) There are no excuses. A good program is expected to perform in spite of injuries and adversity. For example: the Steelers are 8-5 with a back-up, 3rd stringer, 4th stringer QBs (for the record it seems Gase chose Falk over other options - that worked out well). Yes their roster is better than the Jets, but they also lost their No. 1 WR and No. 1 RB. 5) People tend to forget one major reason Gase has been roasted: it's not like he walked in with a recent sparkling track record as HC/OC. His time as HC and his offense's results in Miami raised many eyebrows, as did the Jets hiring him. 6) Parcells said football is about the most cut & dry business there is; and famously that you are what your record says you are. It's a slippery slope when one starts parsing a team's performance, semi explaining things away. The Jets got waxed last night on national TV, as they did vs. the Pats and Browns. Any impartial observer would come away with the obvious: the Jets are awful. If we say that's 90% due to Macc's roster - how much has Gase squeezed out of the roster? Did he get snake bit with the injury bug thus deserving a pass (there are no passes)? Why did his Miami teams also face rashes of injuries? 7) All this said you're right: let's see how the Jets fare after JD & Gase put their stamp on the team. That's the only way to give a fair assessment. But beginning next season, play time is over. If the Jets aren't competitive every week, and Peyton's offensive guru's Jets offense doesn't produce at a consistently higher level, well ...

Too bad Adams isn't in there - be fun seeing him & Ingram colliding.

Two words describing tonight's game and score line: The Draft. The Ravens are perhaps the best, the Jets are among the very worst.

I don't know man, that's just an unbelievably bad decision.

Gase sure likes running inside hand offs and play action off it. It must make up about 25% of his entire offense. I wonder if defenses that shut down Jets offense down have keyed on in on that.

Those are some scary stats for Gase's offense. I once believed in the refrain that Gase was hamstrung by a 3rd-string QB in Falk. Well, IINM he was the one who wanted Falk. Whereas a team like Pittsburgh is currently a playoff team, behind back-up, 3rd string and 4th string QBs all season. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/12/10/21004162/new-york-jets-exit-interview-adam-gase-sam-darnold

That is the model. They flat hit on many decisions: draft picks, trading for Jimmy G, bolstering their pass rush, etc. It's going to be very exciting to see Baltimore vs San Francisco in the Super Bowl.

So when the OP refers to the Jets pathetic results the past decaded under the Johnsons' stewardship, he's a SOJF? And this as they've increasingly put their stamp on the team: firing Tannenbaum & Rex, utilizing suspect outside advisors in headhunters & Casserly to brilliantly deliver us Idzik, Bowles & Maccagnan. And more recently Chris making the questionable decision to hire Gase. The fact is since Parcells' residue faded and the Johnsons re-made the Jets in their own image, the results have been awful. If anyone is a SOJF, it's you: a Jets fan placing faith in folks like the Johnsons and Gase who's results have been underwhelming. Which is what the Jets and SOJF fans like you have done for decades: have hope based on faith instead of actual results. On the contrary, us non SOJF like to focus on results. Chris hopefully got it right with Douglas - ya know, someone who actually has had good results.

Is it me or is it every time Gase faces a strong pass rush/defense - he has no answer? It's like Gase runs his favorite plays even if he's facing a good pass rush and/or heavy blitzing; and so folks like Belichick & others have determined all you need do is pressure the pocket and Gase's offense crumbles. I assume I'm over-generalizing, but this does seem like the case more often than not. In short: perhaps Gase can't defeat strong defenses. If that's so and Gase can't adapt, the Jets have no chance of winning a Super Bowl under his tenure. What sucks is if this happens, likely 1-2 more seasons will go by with Chris Johnson standing by him, as he said Gase "has the trust of his players, Darnold, Joe Douglas, myself ... he's a good man and a good coach." Hope I'm wrong, but fear I'm right.

going in to Baltimore - who's going to that game with me? That game will be our Super Bowl for this season. If we win and then win the final game - maybe we sneak in as a 6th seed. Don't know the scenarios. First: Jets must come out with their hair on fire v Cincy. That's a name of the game.

Any true fighter of truth would never want back in on his enemy’s terms. He had a valid topic of discussion- but no one wants a prima Donna. And that’s who Kap is I’ve realized. He thinks the world revolves around him. But i still honor his actions. For 400 + yesterday. Blacks in America got officially and legally ****ed until mid 60s and then the 70:s. They’re still getting ****ed and always will.

I think it was Ray Lucas who recently said he had a “first round grade” but his injuries obviously dropped him. Granted Lucas is biased as a fellow Rutgers alum - but if that’s the case and he’s back to full health - could be a draft steal.

- Joe Douglas. As he said recently. That’s very high praise for me. As I see Joe Douglas as the epitome of the football warrior mentality: gritty former college o-lineman, worked his way up the ranks in Baltimore, Philly and elsewhere prior, earned commendation throughout as a grinding, capable hard worker - ultimately becoming a highly respected NFL personnel man. My first impression of JD was he’s the real deal - and most everything since has supported that including things he says. Tho this upcoming off-season will be the first real test So yeah, I took note when JD bestowed “warrior mentality” on Sam. And to me that’s what’s excited me most about Darnold since I began learning about him: he’s also the real deal. Hungry. Hungry to compete, hungry to win. You can’t teach that. Also: I remember during the draft Darnold’s father said something like that - “this kid is only 20 years old, but he’s just solid.” Perhaps even higher praise, from what I’ve gathered comes from the hard working, solid father of a hard-working, solid wife and family in turn including Sam and his sister. Darnold may not be the most physically gifted QB ever and obviously he must start NOW getting rid of the ball or if necessary take sacks rather commit reckless INTs and forced fumbles ... but his competitive personality and intangibles are special. Here’s hoping the Jets provide this young man the support necessary across the board, so he can realize his full Jets & NFL potential.