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Everything posted by CheezeMCRow

  1. Oh Francesa, He did love Luck too (then again, who didn't?) and Francesa's other man crush qb??? ---- that would be the one and only Johnny "Football" Manziel, said the kid has that special "IT" factor and would dominate the NFL.
  2. Who knows how his career will end up, but let's be fair, Jones had an historically great debut game, not just merely good--arguably the greatest qb debut in the history of the NFL when you consider his numbers, game situation/pressure, and losing Saquon Barkley early.
  3. Agreed, it's still too early to crown anyone. However, Sam is starting to get into a very bad pattern where his failures are almost always quickly excused by apologists (even national media, ala guys like Colin Cowherd) such as his phantom foot injury last year (conveniently super close to when he was about to be benched for poor play) and now this weird mono diagnosis? ... fanbase fear is Darnold's already behind the development and growth of his other young peer qb's, and it's only going to get worse with such an unstable coaching staff and front office calling the shots to try and guide him.
  4. Such craziness the past week, which now places enormous pressure on both Gase and Darnold to really show something this year. If Darnold doesn't take a big step up in year two, it's hard to see Gase being around for Darnold's third year.
  5. i wasn't on this board back then, but i can only imagine what his posts were like (between 2008-2010) when Sanchez still had hope, Rex was Rex, and the Giants were still a couple years away from Eli winning yet another one. He must've been campaigning for Sanchez into the Hall of Fame like immediately, with Rex's name etched onto the Lombardi.
  6. I think you need to start up a separate thread since i'm not sure what Eli eventually cruising into the HOF and Mark Sanchez top draft dud status for his career have to do with Sam Darnold v Daniel Jones.
  7. Eli and Sanchez are EXACTLY alike. and by exactly, i of course mean nothing alike. Somewhere Browning Nagle is rolling in his grave .... FYI, rumor has it Nagle was the same qb as Simms too, but only got screwed by Jets' management at the time, otherwise he would've been mvp of super bowl XXV!!!!
  8. You also conveniently leave out the one little important factoid about Sanchez which is he was never a professional enough QB to last in New York. Had nothing to do with his physical ability. Instead it was all about what was (or wasn't) between Mark's ears. He had early success and essentially coasted on it, never getting any better, and instead being far more interested in his celebrity of being a qb in New York than actually developing his skillset---Eli has been the ultimate professional qb that handled the pressure of New York with ease for 15 years and counting. That alone deserves hall recognition in how rare that truly is.
  9. I think with Eli, there also needs to be context and perspective when judging him. Eli is judged more harshly by his OWN fanbase than outside, with Giants fans regularly treating their own qb's like garbage until they're retired, ala Phil Simms. So Eli doesn't just get compared to his fellow NFL qbs and draft class, but ALSO to the history of Giants' super bowl qb's he's aways going to be compared to as well, such as Simms, Hostetler, and Collins. Had Eli had the same exact career with Jets however, he would be hailed as an all-time legendary hero, and king of new york just because he'd be a 'QB of one' with no other Jets qb in our generation to even be remotely compared to. You're already seeing this double-standard playing out for the newbie new york qb's too, with Darnold and Jones. Jones has already been beaten up my media and fans, who essentially have let it be known that not only does he have to win, but has to win BIG since the bar has already been raised so high by Eli that Jones even had to say at his intro presser that he needs to win 'multiple super bowls' (and even if he does, he'll STILL have to face endless naysayers, just like Eli .... however by contrast, Darnold could have far less success but also be treated far more warmly by Jet nation, even if he doesn't win squat, just because there's no other Jets qb in our generation he has to be compared against, unless you count Sanchez or Pennington?
  10. You can't allow yourself to get so worked up about Eli going to the hall (love it or hate it, it's INEVITABLE...), otherwise i fear you're going to cause yourself a brain aneurysm trying so hard to somehow change fate. You may need the infinity glove for this one.
  11. As hard as this is to say, let's be honest, if Namath is in -- Eli is in.
  12. solid argument, and your passion for wanting Eli nowhere near the hall is evident and commendable ... so when he DOES eventually get in, promise not to picket too long outside Canton. The winters are frigid.
  13. if your argument is first or second ballot for Eli, that's totally debatable, but if it's actually about him getting in at all, well that's just silly. ps, sorry you bought his autographed merchandise
  14. In the end, super bowls will trump all. he's been an NFL promoted staple for years, and a celebrity with star power with class who's been good for the league with clean reputation and constant sponsorship forever. he's getting in.
  15. The thing is Eli, being a NY lifetime qb, will always be polarizing. Those who hate him will always hate him, and those who love him will always love him. So once you put personal affection or disdain for the player to the side, and look at it all objectively--he's getting into the HOF. It'd be super difficult to justify putting several other qbs already in the hall in over Eli, especially when you also consider what a good guy, NFL icon and darling of the league Eli has been since he entered the league. By the way, wasn't this originally about who's gonna be better: Darnold or Jones????
  16. Well, this was published today by Sporting News, so it's not like the Le'veon issue is some idea conjured up on this board by all of us 'out to get Bell' : https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/leveon-bell-already-sending-jets-familiar-troubling-message/1gzmx7r7pl7de15pz0iziyfsll
  17. I don't think I ever expressed much concern over Bell's conditioning in offseason (only in so much that he should take part in all team activities to see where he stands physically against fellow NFL players after missing a ton of time the past couple years--and don't think that's nothing--and not merely how he compares to his training buddies at home).... again, my problem with bell is pure attitude, motivation, and potential negative influence on a young, raw qb, and an overall young, impressionable roster. But no need to get your panties in a bunch, this isn't a personal slam on the guy, it's merely stating his history as player since he's been in the league. He's physically a great player, but also a problem. Maybe he's turned over a new leaf, and sees the jets as a new awakening, and a chance to redeem his image, and be an all-pro again. Maybe. Or maybe he got his payday, will do the bare minimum of what he's forced to do without getting fined. Ps, pointing out that Mac has done a piss poor job as GM is hardly a personal vendetta, and more just having eyeballs
  18. regardless of personal love or hate for him, Eli is going to the hall of fame (as is Ben, as is Rivers). No matter the aesthetics of his style of play or fandom, at the end of the day, Eli is right up there in pretty much in every all-time passing category right now, and the fact he is still playing, a Walter Peyton Man of the Year recipient, and has two super bowl mvp's in NEW YORK of all places just further cements it. Is he the best of his generation? no, but that's not exactly a requirement for hall eligibility. It'd be impossible to justify putting Rivers in over Eli (or even Warren Moon or Namath), so that's not gonna happen, but all THREE in, yes, that is happening. Rivers, while the best fantasy qb of the three, is probably still the biggest longshot since his playoff experience has been underwhelming at best, but at the end of the day, his durability and place in the leader boards of all-time passers will clinch it. All three of those qb's will also be viewed through a much different lens years after they all retire too (further building upon their 'legendary' qb draft class status that much more). Now of course if Big Ben has another Big Rape allegation or two before he's eligible, well, that could always throw a monkey wrench in the works for the hat trick qb class.
  19. haha, gold .... hey, to each his own, but as long as you're thrilled being under 500 endlessly, and getting worse each year under Mac, then more power to ya, but some other fans would actually like something a bit more for the franchise. But hey, again, as long as you're happy and easily content, then by all means.
  20. Great point, and I clearly don't wanna overstep any boundaries or anything, being a newbie, but I just get so frustrated on what little has been accomplished during the Mac regime that it makes me even more frustrated when it appears that so many fans will simply buy into what he's selling again and again and again. But it does my heart good to know there are always going to be those who want this team to not only simply be held accountable for endless false hopes and misguided 'plans' but also want a team philosophy from top to bottom that's far less satisfied with being merely competitive, and improving jersey sales, and instead, more focused on what it genuinely takes to be a perennial championship contender.
  21. Fan base always needs debate and questioning authority, otherwise you end up with years of Bowles coaching and Mac oversight. My point continues to be the o-line should have and still MUST start becoming the focal point, thus making risky headline-seeking signings like Bell unnecessary. Build a strong, young oline around Darnold, and him and the team will be far, far better for it. Neglecting it, as Mac has done, will only lead to what we've seen happen to Eli for years (oops, i mentioned Eli without saying 'he's the biggest joke of a qb ever' so i better apologize quick, ha)
  22. My contention was more about baseless name-calling and putting down other fans who don't agree with your opinion, not about the opinion itself. Bart Scott is a celebrity whose job is to stir up debate for a radio show, and also just happens to be an unabashed Jets booster who might as well have his own office in the Florham Park PR department, right next to Manish. It doesn't mean his opinion isn't relevant, just skewed.
  23. Apologies if logic doesn't sit well.
  24. haha, i love how when someone dares criticize any move the legendary Mac makes, it automatically means you're a Jets hater and fan of another team. Being a fan is more than just blind obedience to Mac, Manish Mehta .... and Bart Scott.
  25. I never wanted them to sign Bell simply for this kind of thing and the inevitable team distractions that will accompany him every step of the way here in new york. I instead wanted them to focus less on getting a 'star name' to pat themselves on the back for getting back page headlines, and more on revamping their ENTIRE offensive line, which has been terrible for quite awhile now. The trade for Osomele was nice, but also a minimal upgrade over carpenter. Looks good on paper, but Osomele was also terrible last year with the raiders believing his best days are behind him. And the rest of the line was completely neglected. What's most concerning about that is Bell, more than most backs NEEDS a big time oline to create holes he can patiently wait behind and pick and choose his holes, which may be tough going with this group.... Not to mention Sam was the worst qb in the nfl under pressure last year, so the fact that Mac completely neglected the team and potential franchise qb's most glaring need is shameful, especially with all that cap space. Feels like a golden opportunity wasted.
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