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  1. 11 hours ago, jetsons said:


    Depends on what "wokeism" is defined as.  

    If it is people coming to a realization that some folks have been treated badly and because of that, they become more understanding, wokeism is a good thing.  There is a practical sincerity to that and I think it is good.

    If it is all consuming attention given to progressive ideals to the point of being senseless and backwards, it is a bad thing.  In that case, it is vapid social politics that usually involves people that have not been practically mistreated in any way making specious accusations against good people that have not given any offense.  It is almost always applied to advance a political agenda.  Some of the people that are drunk on wokeism don't even have a political or social ideology of any kind.  They can be people that don't have a lot going on in their life and are reaching for an established gambit to gain significance.

    So... It depends.  If it is honest, constructive  "wokeism"  it is good.  If it is the later, it is a menace. 

  2. 1 hour ago, jgb said:

    One obvious reason being that “redskins” is a slur and “chiefs” isn’t. But I’m sure that’ll eventually be forced to change, also.

    Sidenote: as of a few years ago “redskins” was the most common team name of high schools on Native American reservations. But I suppose cultural appropriation comes into play.

    the tomahawk chop is a silly characterization of the native American culture and people.  As if all they did was chop of scalps with a tomahawk. It is as much a slur as "redskin" 

    good example of how complicated social politics and the media has gotten. 

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  3. I cant think of any two team chants that I make me cringe more than the KC "Tomahawk Chop" chant and the "Fly Eagles, Fly" song.  

    I find both annoying as well as lame.  At least with the Jets, Broncos and Packers, etc. chants, they are quick and to the point.  The KC and Eagles chants are not only lame, but the go on and on and on and on...  

    And how does KC get away with the "Tomahawk Chop" ??? The media cops forced the team formerly known as the Redskins to change their name to the "Commanders".  Why no pressure on KC franchise to encourage the fans to cease and desist with what some viewers may see as an offensive characterization of native American culture ???

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  4. 4 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

    The AFC Championship game last night has to be a breaking point. We need a way to take most of the human element out of officiating. We have so much tech - there HAS to be a way to quickly process each play and send a signal down to one official - like in soccer. Tennis has gotten rid of people calling lines in most of the big tournaments and there are zero disputes about calls, etc. You can just focus on the quality of the match and the better player that day wins. If there is a human element needed, let a main ref make a call. You know deep in your gut that the officials can change the course of a game or decide a game based on bad judgment. The roughing the passer call on Mac Jones I believe killed our season. We finally beat the Pats if that isn't called and probably beat them again since we were over the hump. You not only have to be good to win, you have to be fortunate enough not to have the game taken from you because they can basically call defensive holding on every play. The refs have proven over and over they aren't up to the task in big moments.

    It would only help in one way, but I have always thought about putting a sensor system in the football.  This way you can tell where the ball was. Over the line to make or goal line.  That would just help with the spot and not the other stuff.  

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  5. Dunno what the public Says, but my personal fave not in any particular order. Also... Has a lot to do with the person and not just the player.  That's why Gastineau aint on my list. 

    Mary Lyons

    Freeman McNeil

    Joe Namath

    Wesley Walker


    Mo Lewis

    Bart Scott

    Jim Leonhard


    Brandon Moore 

    Mickey Schuler

    Bruce Harper

    Dan Alexander








    Bobby Jackosn

    Darrol Ray


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  6. 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said:

    I don't understand Jet fans sometimes. They hord money and draft picks like they are managing their kids 529 account when in reality the money belongs to the guy  they swear they hate, Woody Johnson, and draft picks outside of 2022 have done very little to ever help this franchise. Remmeber how we spent 2 years teraring down and tanking to get Zach. Yes that was smart. 

    So here is why we should 100 percent "mortgage the future"

    1) The Jets have a top 5 defense. The window on that type of defense is 2-3 years usually looking around the league. Defense is important, and more important in late season and playoff football. You can't underestimate this. 

    2) Breece Hall, Garret Wilson year 2. Elijiah Moore year 3. Uzomah waiting to be unleashed. This offsense has weapons and CAN score with competent QB play, let alone star QB play a guy like Rodgers would provide. 

    3) Contracts. All this rookie and 2nd year talent will be asking for extensions come 24 and 25. We simply will not be able to pay them all. OUR WINDOW IS NOW

    4) The Jets arent rebuilding anymore, they are in execution phase. Losing a first rounder this year or in 24 is not a game changer or hurt the chances moving forward. If JD is all we may or you make him out to be he should be able to find starters in round 2-3 and depth beyond. 

    The Jets need to be aggresive and absolutly mortgage the future. A Superbowl, a deep playoff run will bring legitimacy to this team and the rest will take care of itself. YES NOW IS THE TIME TO GO TO THE BANK AND ASK FOR THAT MORTGAGE. Our franchise depends upon it. 

    Yes and no.  Nothing wrong with paying for a performer.  However, history has demonstrated that you can not buy a championship.  Buying a "dream team" does not workout in the NFL.  Many have tried and failed.

    What you can do, is add that one missing piece to complete an already well appointed roster.

    Tampa did it with Tom Brady.  The Rams did it with Mathew Stafford.

    In the Jets case, the missing part seems to be the QB.  On the face of it, it would make sense to pay Rodgers or even Carr.  


    TB had Bruce Arians in the big chair

    The Rams had Sean McVay.

    By all accounts, excellent NFL head coaches that KNEW offense.  

    The Jets have Bobby.  The jury is still out.

    They could follow the Rams and TB model of buying the QB to compliment the rest of the roster and get to the mountain top BUT the could still fail due to the HC

    And... Possibly even the owner gumming up the works.

    The Jets are the Jets.  Rodgers or no Rodgers and they will be until they own another Lombardi


  7. 10 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

    The Plan:

    Sign Aaron Rodgers to play for the next 2 years.  Rack up enough wins to get Woody to extend Saleh and Douglas.  Have Rodgers and Hackett mentoring and bring along Zach.  After 2 years, exercise Zach’s 5th year option.  Zach starts in 3 years, shows that he has matured and is the franchise qb we have been looking for.  Sign zach to a long term deal and be a perrenial playoff team and Super Bowl contender for the next 10 years.

    What will happen:

    Jets will start off 4-0.  Rodgers suffers a major injury in week 5 and is out for the year.  Zach comes in, stinks and we finish the season 5-12.  Saleh and Douglas get canned and Rodgers retires.

    Search your feelings jet fans.  You know this to be true.

    The plan.  Win more games.  The result.  The Jets... 

  8. 15 hours ago, redlichtie said:

    It still amazes me that after 30 or so years of consistently being wrong about everything and just throwing darts against the wall this Kiper guy STILL retains the prominent ‘draft guru’ position he does …it’s truly mind-boggling, but fair play to him

    He is often wrong about a lot of the prospects he evaluates and he is often wrong about what team will draft what player.  What is he good at is knowing the vitals of the draft prospects and the situation of the teams to a fair degree.  It is good for fans who like to follow the draft because he gives a lot of raw info to take in.  That is the larger portion of it.  Not the accuracy of his predictions.  It is his presentation. 

  9. 2 minutes ago, Jetlife33 said:

    If it doesn’t work out Hackett will be gone with the rest of the regime. 

    For sure.  This move guarantees one of two things.  Especially if they have Rodgers lined up to come in along with Hackett.

    1.  They make the playoffs and all are safe for the next two to three years.

    2. They don't make the playoffs.  Subsequently, the entire regime gets canned on Black Friday.  GM, HC, OC, DC.  All of them.

    FYI... If they do have Rodgers lined up already, expect it to be two years max with an escape for all parties involved after 1 year. 

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  10. Just now, BigRy56 said:

    Trying not to get overly optimistic about the possibility, but it really is starting to feel that AR12 to the Jets is a matter of time

    It sure looks that way.  If so, is Rodgers in the NY media market a concern ??? Or is that nothing to worry about considering his extensive experience being out front ??? He's gotten a lot of media attention the past few years.  Perhaps what the NY media market throws at him will just roll off his back. 

  11. 1 hour ago, BigRy56 said:

    For the haters in the house who say the Jets are always settling for scraps. They got their guys and one of them was highly sought after and chose the Jets

    Wow.  I'm guessing that Carter knew that Hackett was coming in as OC and I have a feeling that all involved know who the QB signing will be.  Considering the Hackett news, I'm beginning to think Rodgers. 

  12. 1 hour ago, PS17 said:

    He was so incompetent in Denver. Feels kinda gross. But if it gets Rodgers here, shrug. 

    Not a good HC, but a good OC.  I would have preferred the combo of Carr and Olson, but if it is Hackett and Rodgers, it makes 2023  very interesting 

  13. 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

    So Rodgers is going to game plan, decide who plays or not, script plays, call plays during games and practice.  

    He wont be assembling the play book.  But he'd dictating a lot of it.  Not just the nomenclature.  The type of offense itself.  And you can be sure that he'd be calling most of the plays or changing the ones that were called

  14. And now... Look who suggests Rodgers to the Jets: 


    "Stephen A. Smith Wants To See 1 NFL Team Trade For Aaron Rodgers"

    "On First Take Wednesday morning, Smith outlined his case for why the Jets would be a good trade fit for the four-time NFL MVP, starting with a supporting cast that includes 2022 draft picks Breece Hall and Garrett Wilson and a strong defensive unit.

    "I like the thought of him in a New York Jets uniform, you know why?" Smith said. "Because I like what Douglas and Saleh have put around the quarterback spot."

    Smith also said that he feels the New York media environment would hold Rodgers accountable more than the one in Wisconsin has, which could have a positive impact on how the quarterback plays."

  15. 16 hours ago, Beerfish said:

    Not selling the farm for guys like Rogers and Lamar = good

    Trotting out Mike = BAD

    Thus that leaves us  with one choice, go get Derrick Carr = GOOD

    There is another option.

    Bring in a lower costing vet and draft another QB this year.  Pardon for speaking it again, but I think Tanner McKee has toe goods and he'll be there at 13. 

    McKee may very well be able to start in 2023.  Of all the QB prospects in the draft, he is arguably the most NFL ready.  He is not talked about like Stroud, Young and Levis because Stanford was awful and McKee is a QB and not a de facto running back.  He appears to be the best technical passer in the draft.  Big question and only question is how can he handle NFL pass rush/pressure ???

  16. 2 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

    If they get Rodgers, he has to play until he’s 43 so we can forget about ZW forever.

    The thing is Joe Douglas is probably eyeing a scenario where ZW sits behind Rodgers for a year or 2 and then “takes over”, thereby validating his embarrassing draft choice.

    I was saying in another thread.  If they land Rodgers and I think that unlikely, they dont need much of an OC.  Rodgers would be the de facto OC.  He'd tell the titled OC and Saleh what to do.  Rodgers knows more offense than LeFleur by a mile and more than most other OCs

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