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  1. 2 hours ago, Warfish said:

     With that said, "freeing the slaves" was not the primary goal of the North at the start either, maintaining the Union was.  Not to say it wasn't on many minds in the North, including in leadership, of course.


    That is a complex issue.  Understanding it goes well past leaning on Lincoln's quote:

    "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that."

    Much of the political impetus in northern states leading up to the Civil War was driven by fervent abolitionists.  Those states/powers had significant  representation in the Federal government

  2. On 8/19/2021 at 9:21 AM, Long Island Leprechaun said:

    I was on a Civil War history forum for about ten years. The running joke was that it was clear that the war wasn't over. Northerners didn't drive that narrative at all... mainly because the Union was victorious. For the most part discussion was "civil" and very knowledgeable. Some serious scholars attended regularly. As well as enactors... those guys who dress up in civil war gear and show up on anniversaries of battles to play them out. They were literally immersed in the minutiae of individual soldiering and meticulous re the step by step action of specific battles. And there was a sadness about it all as well. Focusing so intensely on how a nation ripped itself apart over a vile institution that should have been abolished years before is demoralizing to say the least. Strange how so many of its themes have resurfaced with such force in recent years. 

    And can you believe that most people of any age are not able to tell you the year the Civil war started, how long it lasted, the number of people that were killed, the number of slave owners in 1860, the number of slaves in 1860.  Etc.  They don't even know the vitals.

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  3. 32 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    While Buchanan was indeed mostly inept, I think you underestimate the challenge and division by the time Buchanan took office.

    I don't think any President we've ever elected could have stopped the tide of War by that point.  Hypotheticals aside, I don't see a real-world compromise scenario both would have accepted and peacefully maintained that would have actually avoided War, ultimately.

    From what I have read and heard at lectures/symposiums, I'd say about 70 % of the scholars agree with you. An armed conflict was unavoidable. There is still considerable merit behind the hypothetical outcomes had the executive/legislative/judicial branches acted differently.  Particularly, during the Buchanan presidency. There are solid reasons to consider the Buchanan administration to be one of the worst if not the absolute worst in U.S. history.  

    Referring back to to my discussion with the other fellow.  He was suggesting that the Union and the Confederacy were moral equivalents.  That position is not defensible.  Invalidate the Unionist cause or Civil rights or the Suffragettes because some of their participants had unflattering pasts or reprehensible personal qualities ??? Absolute nonsense. 

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  4. 25 minutes ago, Corn said:

    You certainly want to Branch out.never in the history of war did a group of guys get together and say oh we feel sorry for those fellas down there let's go to war and free them let alone a whole other race . never ever ever has that happens and neither did it happen in the Civil War.Economics or self defense like always for war.

    Any reparations paid to the Africans Americans would be not for slavery that's been around for 10,000 years but the uniqueness of what the north ,south did .The congress and supreme court did ignoring the constitution  and making them half humans.You want to celebrate!

    By the way did you for one moment think at all to possibly put a Colored Black Union  Soldier!!!!  nah not for one second

    Do you care that they took down the only darker skin mascot!!!! nah not for one second.

    I'm all done with this conversation keep it on the Washington garbage embarrassment .

    PS born in Bronx educated New York City Public Schools white guy. BYE

    You are saying that the Unionist/Federalist cause stood on the same dreary moral ground that the Confederate cause did. 

    Preserving the United States and abolishing legalized servitude are things that should absolutely be lauded and celebrated.  Even if the people and the times don't pass inspection by a senseless ideologue.   

    Give your brain a chance. 

    BYE indeed

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  5. A letdown, but not a big surprise.  I had zero expectation of Lawson or Cashman staying healthy regardless of how good they look between injuries.

    For me, the bigger worry is the offensive line.   Questions with Becton now and AVT nursing a soft tissue injury. 

    I don't want a mangled QB. 

    EVERYTHING depends on Wilson. 

  6. 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

    You formed this diagnosis how exactly?

    Hes going through things so why not just list every imaginable issue

    Perhaps play book issues ??? Calling coverages ??? Blocking schemes ??? 

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  7. 53 minutes ago, Corn said:

    Slavery(free labor) was the main issue something the north could not use.When the north won in congress to end free labor the south was defiant.Yes! Nothing admirable just economics as usual. The winning north denied full freedom for the slaves because of economics also.

    The free sates could not use slave labor or did not want to use slave labor ??? You believe that abolitionists and Republicans/Jeffersonian Republicans saw an economic advantage to ending legalized servitude ??? It was strictly moral.  

    Since you are in nowhere land on this one, a better question for you to consider is this.  Could slavery have been abolished AND the Civil war also have been avoided if Buchanan had anything more than a second rate mind and the Missouri Compromise had not been constructed ???

  8. 1 hour ago, Corn said:

    um you know they never got  freedom but treated like dogs after the union victory for about a hundred years. The union renege after the economic destruction of the south.It might be a little bit of a problem.


    Washington Squirrels or just The Girls would be great!

    Are you objecting to the Union's cause or humanity in general ??? Both sides in any conflict are affected by the defects of their human qualities.  I still see far more of the admirable in the Union's cause than that of the Confederacy. 

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  9. 15 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

    I didnt watch the other games but I agree with Simms that Wilsons game seemed very much like a regular season game.   And he performed as he was expected to- confident, poised and error free.

    I was one of the fans that had a total meltdown when the Jets won the Rams game and blew the Tank For Trevor Sweepstakes, but it seems... Well.   Providence ???  Wilson looked very impressive.  Fields and Lance looked raw and Lawrence moves and throws in slow motion compared to Wilson.  And we didn't even see Wilson cutting loose with his legs as he can.  

    Yes... WAY too early to draw any conclusions, but at least none of us can say that Wilson looks out of place on the pro level. 

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  10. 21 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

    I know we are all in the honeymoon phase with Saleh, but I have to say that he is quite different than I imagined.

    To be honest I sort of expected a mini-Rex sort of coach, all energy and bluster and aggressiveness, but instead he seems super calm, introspective, very organized and detailed and quite focused on teaching and development.

    His stance on rookies and the QB situation to me are a breath of fresh air and something I support 100%. I love that he is completely all in on Zach and Zach gets all the #1 reps and some additional as opposed to say Darnold who split reps and then for much of camp only played with the 3s.

    I also love what he is doing at CB. It takes giant guts to basically do so young at QB and CB and just trust in your ability to teach.

    From just the super small sample size of the first preseason game, our entire team seemed more organized and disciplined and cohesive than I can remember in quite a while. Hopefully that remains true.

    We know the fire is there, but I was not expecting such an intelligent, thoughtful and organized coach as he seems to be. He seems like a coach that becomes a "players" coach by his obvious commitment and respect of his team, not from the short termed rah rah motivation we see in a lot of head coaches.

    I am very impressed, and he could fall flat on his face when we fall on adversity but I will say that after the experiences of Bowles and Gase I wanted to be in a complete wait and see mode with Saleh but he is really winning me over and making me excited that he is driving the future of this team,

    My favorite quote and echoes completely my thoughts on the rookies vs. veteran thing (Gase and Bowles favored "veterans" to an absurd and perverse level.

    “I’ve said it before, I think, the difference between player A and player Z in the entire league, I’m not talking about superstars, I’m not talking about the Aaron Donald’s of the world, they’re unique,” Saleh said. “But the difference between player A and player Z is minimal and the only thing that keeps player Z from becoming player A is an opportunity and reps. Let’s see what happens. Does it always happen? It doesn’t, but unless you’re willing to be bold enough to coach your tail off and to invest as much as you can into these young men and give them the opportunity to be seen, give them the opportunity to get reps, and give them the opportunity to get better, you’ll never know what you might find. So, that’s just the belief and the philosophy of not only our coaching staff but the entire organization and that’s something we’re committed to.”





    Nice post and I agree.  At first, when I heard that he had "EXTREME VIOLENCE" listed here or there, I was concerned that he might be a total cement head.  I was 180 degrees out on that one.  I'd go so far as to call him somewhat of a gentleman.   The more I see and hear of him and from him, the more I like him.  He appears to have all the qualities of a top level administrator and the football chops to go along with it.  

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  11. 22 hours ago, GreenFish said:

    Looks good. Our team is making progress. And to think we will have cap space to sign FA in 2022 and 4 picks in the top 2 rounds next year. Another draft like 2021 and we will be rocking a rolling.

    I’d put Levin in there. Maybe takeout Edoga.

    JD knows his business.  Amazing how fast things get better with a good GM and Johnson(s) out of his kitchen, 

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  12. 12 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

    Between Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields and Mac this could end up becoming a legendary QB draft class. I think they can all become great. But the only one who truly matters to us is Zach Wilson. 

    We haven't featured a Franchise QB since dating back to Joe Namath and a healthy Chad Pennington in order to build around (wasn't healthy for long) so moving forward I just want to focus on Zach's development and progression.

    (these other kid QBs mean nothingness to us).

    Indeed.  It also looks like there will be a good, steady supply of quality QBs  coming out of college and getting right to work in the NFL in the years to come.  NFL teams are running more college style passing games these days and there are piles of kids that are training to be the next NFL MVP QB from an early age.  Colleges have oodles of kids to recruit from.  Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow already  look like nice NFL starting QBs.  Josh Allen and the crotch grabber also look to be well on the way.  Now you can add Wilson, Fields, Jones, Lawrence and Lance to the batch of newly minted NFL QB's.  And next year, figure on at least three more entering the league.  It wont be nearly as hard to find a good QB as it has been in past years.  With rookie pay, teams can also easily "ROSEN" their QB selection if he sucks.  A blown QB draft pick in round one does not set a team back for 5 years like it used to.

  13. 28 minutes ago, flgreen said:

    For what it's worth I saw a tweet from PFF, (might have been on JN) saying Fields ave time of release was 3.7 secs.  Wilson's was 2.4.  If true, that's HUGE

     IN NO WAY do I want to over-hype Wilson.   A fast release alone does not translate into a professional career for a qb.  However, Wilson's release is by far the fastest of all the top QB's selected in the past draft.  The fastest by far. The last QB I recall with such a quick delivery was Marino.  Also not being spoken about... Wilson can gobble up yardage with his feet as well.  Some of his college games saw him running for a pile of yardage.   SUPER glad he seems to be pass first qb by instinct, but he'll have a few surprises for a defense that offers up a safe running lane.  

    Not sure if it is a worry or not, but he has a low release point.  After defense look at tape, they may take advantage. 

  14. 3 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

    Mac Jones is nothing to mock or overlook. 

    • #1 single season QB Rating of All-Time.

    • #2 NCAA Career QB Rating of All-Time. 


    I'm sorry but there have been hundred(s) of NCAA QBs who've Quarterbacked behind A+ elite offenses (Joe Burrow had an even greater WR core @ LSU than Mac Jones did @ Alabama) and none have ever did it as great as Mac Jones just did. 

    • #1 All-Time single season QB Rating?

    • #2 All-Time NCAA Career QB Rating?

    Lets just hope N.E. doesn't build an Offense around their QB position with A+ O-lineman, WRs and TEs because if so? Mac Jones will know how to get them the football. 

    I raved about Mac Jones throughout all of 2020 and always considered him the best QB prospect behind only Trevor Lawrence.

    And I hate how he went to New England. 

    No kidding.  Go back and look at my posts leading up to the draft.  *I* was in here saying Mac Jones "may just wind up with the Pats" AND wind up being the steal of the 2021 draft.  I was also on record as calling Mac Jones the second best QB in the draft behind Lawrence.   I was mocking BB for his charisma and sensational media style.   Not Mac Jones. 

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