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  1. 15 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

    I know I like to split hairs and bust balls, but it is a pretty big distinction.

    It was a lazy post on my part.  I understand the significance of the distinction.  Are you on board with the larger point ??? They are JD draft picks that are not on the field and contributing regardless of said distinction. 

  2. 2 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

    Yes.  Incorrectly referred to Davis & Mann as practice squad.  I stand corrected.  From the Jets official site.  Regardless, they are not on filed contributing.  Add Becton as well to IR even though I did not incorrectly refer to him as practice squad

    OL Mekhi Becton - Reserve/Injured
    LB Blake Cashman - Reserve/Injured
    OL Cameron Clark - Reserve/Injured
    DL Vinny Curry - Reserve/NFI
    S Ashtyn Davis - Reserve/Injured
    OL Parker Ferguson - Reserve/Injured
    DB Saquan Hampton - Reserve/PUP
    S Lamarcus Joyner - Reserve/Injured
    DL Carl Lawson - Reserve/Injured
    OL Alex Lewis - Reserve/Left Squad
    S Zane Lewis - Reserve/Injured
    P Braden Mann - Reserve/Injured
    DL Kyle Phillips - Reserve/PUP
    OL Teton Saltes - Reserve/Injured

    Adding here.... I had Cashman and Lawson listed on IR before the season started.  I figured as did many that they would not make it past game 1 of the regular season in one piece

  3. 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

    Do you know the difference between injured reserve and the practice squad?  I'm surprised you didn't list Becton as "practice squad." 

    Yes.  Incorrectly referred to Davis & Mann as practice squad.  I stand corrected.  From the Jets official site.  Regardless, they are not on filed contributing.  Add Becton as well to IR even though I did not incorrectly refer to him as practice squad

    OL Mekhi Becton - Reserve/Injured
    LB Blake Cashman - Reserve/Injured
    OL Cameron Clark - Reserve/Injured
    DL Vinny Curry - Reserve/NFI
    S Ashtyn Davis - Reserve/Injured
    OL Parker Ferguson - Reserve/Injured
    DB Saquan Hampton - Reserve/PUP
    S Lamarcus Joyner - Reserve/Injured
    DL Carl Lawson - Reserve/Injured
    OL Alex Lewis - Reserve/Left Squad
    S Zane Lewis - Reserve/Injured
    P Braden Mann - Reserve/Injured
    DL Kyle Phillips - Reserve/PUP
    OL Teton Saltes - Reserve/Injured

  4. 1 hour ago, MR.GANGGREEN28 said:

    Basically Mims is either a bit slow or is lacking the desire and effort to prove himself as a #1 WR in this league. I like to believe that the lights will turn on for the kid and he’ll see his way to the top of the depth chart. Either way, it’s an interesting read with some solid breakdowns.
     

    https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/09/15/denzel-mims-new-york-jets-depth-chart/ 

    another great pick from the 2020 draft by JD

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  5. 31 minutes ago, Origen said:

    And Mike Ditka was a Hall of Fame Tight End who traded an entire Draft class to get Ricky Williams.  Everybody is an idiot or a genius, which was he?

    #1 He's not the only GM out there offering contracts to players, other teams are involved.  If you want to "build" a team you can't overwhelm every free agent you want to guarantee they will come and expect to have any money to be able to do anything else.

    #2 LT who had no preseason last year and played out pretty damn well, then people freaked out about practice reps and the first game sucked because of the other side of the line.  OK, sure.  But they are learning a new system and playing together for the first time, kinda like last year, so seeing the results like last year while disappointing was not all that shocking.

    #3 RG who missed the whole preseason and played his first NFL game ever. 

     

    I would hate to see how you rate yourself at the end of each day with the criteria you seem to have for others. 

    It rains on all teams.  There are excuses and there are excuses.

    I'm not going to get personal in this forum regarding my own professional performance and rating.  Not the place for it and you would likely accuse me of being a braggart. 

  6. 6 minutes ago, Origen said:

    When you are trying to go for athletic upside over a more proven but limited top end, you are not always going to hit.  That's why freaking out over 1 draft is stupid.  If 2 years from now Becton and Mims are All-Pros and what was the point of any of this conversation?  So you could be the first to say "See I told you they sucked" before anyone else did and get that valuable SoJ street cred?  Why not let time happen and give this a chance to play out before deciding you need to get some attention?

    Becton and Mimms are the lesser part of the issue. EVERYONE including JD agreed that the oline should come first and he was advertised as the o-line guru.  The Jets offensive line is one of the worst if not the worst in the league right now.  That is inexcusable.  You have back-up quality players at three positions, a LT that may be a washout and a new guard that we have seen nothing of yet.  

     

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  7. 31 minutes ago, Origen said:

    Which one of those picks was made in a world without Covid restrictions effecting EVERYTHING?  Or did that not effect scouting and visits and meetings and the combine for all those people you listed?  How about we give the guy a year where things aren't COMPLETELY INSANE in the world before you decide he's terrible.

    That might be a valid point or it may be BS.  I don't know if the restrictions were such that it deprived the GM's of information and access to prospects in a way that would make a big difference in their ability to make sound decisions.  What I do know is that other GMs stuck gold in the same draft.  So, I'd say it is a lame excuse
     

     

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  8. 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

    https://dailycaller.com/2021/09/14/new-york-giants-fan-maggots-hot-dog-metlife-stadium/

    A New York Giants fan allegedly found maggots in the ketchup on his hot dog during the Sunday game against the Denver Broncos at MetLife stadium.

    A Snapchat video posted to Twitter shows the fan holding a hot dog with what appears to be maggots inside the ketchup. “Bro, there’s straight-up maggots in the ketchup,” the fan can be heard saying in the video. “That is nasty.” (RELATED: Report: Several Saints Coaches Test Positive For COVID-19)

     

    Delaware North, MetLife Stadium’s official concessions provider, told Giants Wire that the contaminated ketchup dispenser had been thrown out and that this was an isolated incident.

    “We take the sanitation of our facilities extremely seriously,” Delaware North said in a statement. “Upon learning well prior to kickoff Sunday that a single ketchup vessel had been compromised, we took immediate action and discarded the vessel and thoroughly inspected other condiment stations. As an additional precaution, we are sanitizing all condiment pumps and increasing the availability of single-serve condiment packets.”

     
     

    The food wasn’t the only thing souring the experience of Giants fans at MetLife on Sunday. The Broncos held a 20-point going into the final minutes of the fourth quarter, leading fans to exit the stadium in droves. Quarterback Daniel Jones rushed for a touchdown as time expired, but it was for naught. The Giants lost their season opener to Denver 27-13.

    The Jets offensive line gets the MetLife house ketchup with this Sunday's pregame meal.  

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  9. 3 minutes ago, Origen said:

    How long was Reese the GM for the Giants?  How long was he a moron before they won those 2 Super Bowls?  How long was he awesome before he became a moron again and got fired? 

    Looking back at our previous GM's I have had 0 hope that they had a plan as to what they were doing in regards to building a team.  They drafted crazy, they signed free agents crazy, it was madness.  Sometimes it almost worked, always it never did.  After decades, we finally seem to have a coach and gm who appear to be on the same page and are looking at players the same way, not getting into pissing matches in the Post.  Are we a #1 seed filled with future HoF players?  No.  But at least for once they are trying to build the team.  Give it a friggin' season before you start your "See How Right I was That The Jets Suck" parades that some people seem so incredibly intent upon having.

    What JD draft pick or FA move is working out ? 2020 class was a disaster

    2020: Becton - Not working out/injured and may never work out.  

    2020: Mims - looks to be in the doghouse and has underwhelmed. 

    2020: Davis - practice squad

    2020: Zuniga - Wasted pick and with good interior lineman on the board to boot.  Hated this pick. 

    2020: Perine - Not much here so far. 

    2020: Captain Morgan - Ugh

    2020: Hall - Could be a good pick. 

    2020: Mann - practice squad

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  10. 6 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

    I believe in his pedigree and his approach.

    I agree thus far the results are disappointing. But he inherited a mess. You can't draft poorly for 10 years and expect anyone to turn it around in two years.

    The Eagles had success when he was part of the organization.  That is a matter of record.  But that credit may not not have been his portion.   They may have had success because of him or in spite of him or somewhere in between those two.  We don't know.  What we do know is that few if any of his players are panning out.  With two off seasons, we should see a quality offensive line as a minimum.  What we see is a mess.  

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  11. 22 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

    Couldn't disagree more.

    Firing Douglas after three years (and only two drafts) and picking a third 1st round QB in 5 years in insane and the definition of disfunction. Why would anyone want to come here? And why would anyone think that with the limited pool of applicants who would want to walk into this the Johnson brothers would make the right hire?

    Douglas, Saleh, and Wilson are the guys through the end of 2023, at least.

    Douglas is already a failure as a GM with regard to drafting and FA.  But, I agree... Still, little else to do but enjoy the ride through the swamp until it becomes sensible to fire JD considering contract. 

  12. 3 hours ago, jbt said:

    A monkey throwing sh*t on a wall with the list of all draftees could of done a better job the last 10 years.  Early returns on JD are not that good but need at least another 2 years to decide.  If he needs to go the Jets need to hire someone with actual GM experience and good results

     

    I don't see that we need another two years to judge JD's results at drafting and FA.  They have been horrible.  

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  13. 16 hours ago, PCP63 said:

    Watched a few games this week, and one thing I've noticed, especially during the Bucs games (I live in Tampa) is that the announcers are so goddam monotone, and clearly aren't excited at all about football. Romo is the obvious exception.

     

    If I have to hear another ******* word that Chris Collinsworthless or Al Michaels says, I'll shoot my damn brains out. I wanna hear Chris Berman yelling "stumblin, bumblin, fumblin, touchdown!!!!" not some monotone jackasses that barely know anything about football. 

     

    Seriously, I don't care about the rules changes or the flags or anything else, but they seriously need new announcers nearly all across the board. This monotone, emotionless announcing with absolutely no insight makes the broadcasts incredibly boring.

    I dig fully.  Love it when things are more colorful when watching a game.  I'd pay $50 per game if Gus Johnson would call the Jets games.  At least I know I'd have fun even if the Jets suck. 

  14. 16 hours ago, PCP63 said:

    Watched a few games this week, and one thing I've noticed, especially during the Bucs games (I live in Tampa) is that the announcers are so goddam monotone, and clearly aren't excited at all about football. Romo is the obvious exception.

     

    If I have to hear another ******* word that Chris Collinsworthless or Al Michaels says, I'll shoot my damn brains out. I wanna hear Chris Berman yelling "stumblin, bumblin, fumblin, touchdown!!!!" not some monotone jackasses that barely know anything about football. 

     

    Seriously, I don't care about the rules changes or the flags or anything else, but they seriously need new announcers nearly all across the board. This monotone, emotionless announcing with absolutely no insight makes the broadcasts incredibly boring.

    Best call ever...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6BgnqAFWA8

     

     

     

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  15. 1 minute ago, kmnj said:

    my original post was before the season and I was called a troll and clueless and I should be banned..... I was spot on-our RBS are trash and our line is bad.  At this point we know what we have with Coleman-he  should never start again-Joe drafted guys he believes are good(I actually think they are not but that is another story lol) . Joe and Coach need to play TY and Carter going forward-see if they are what Joe thought they were-Coleman is trash which is why his two previous teams including the coach's old team let him walk

    I was holding out hope and was doing my best to be an optimistic fan. Then I saw the line perform and the ball carriers in action.

    It is not just a matter of gelling or getting used to the system or making adjustments.  The manpower on the line is poor. 

    I also want to say I was strongly against drafting Becton.  I wanted an offensive line pick, but cautioned against Becton.

    The Jets are never going to be a quality organization until the team ownership changed hands and provided the new owner is a capable administrator.  From that comes a successful GM, HC and sustained talent on the roster

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  16. 2 hours ago, LIJetsFan said:

    https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/09/14/zach-wilson-film-ny-jets-carolina-panthers/

     

    Sorry guys but this link was way too complicated for me to paste here but this contains many replays with excellent breakdowns.  I highly recommend giving it a look see.  Go Jets! 

    Considering what we saw from the offensive line that JD fielded, the "silver lining" is going to be on the injury list in the not too hear future. 

  17. On 9/8/2021 at 11:22 AM, kmnj said:

    our "number one rb" averaged 1.9 yards last year and has run like he had a piano on his back the past few years

    our "number two rb" is at best an unknown with under 300 yards and only one td in his brief history

    I keep hearing the jets are going to be a run team like the niners were-really who is going to be doing the running?

    Perine is trash too

    Joe has done nothing to improve our running game vs last year -a washed gore = a washed coleman 

    on the plus side Wilson will be throwing all over the place as the passing game is going to be the only thing working for the jets so hopefully is becomes our franchise QB we all hope and pray for

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Spot on.  If the "offensive line guru" has fielded the mess we saw last Sunday, you'd think he would have at least hit on a skill player or two.  Their stable of ball carriers is embarrassingly bad.

    Given his past experiences, especially with the Eagles, I was very hopeful that the manpower would improve.  The results we are seeing look very bad.  He has not done any better in the draft than Mr. Coffee.

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  18. 2 hours ago, carlito1171 said:

    This is interesting because it’s the foundation of the Shanny offense....but I’m not sure if we have the right personnel to do the job...notably Becton. He would be much better served in a gap, man to man scheme where he could just man handle the person in front of him. 
     

    San Fran’s OL is really good with ZBS and they downright maul you in the running game. What do they have that we don’t? Better O Lineman.....better fits for the ZBS, or a combination of both? 

    agree.  the blocking scheme they are using is not a good fit for the talent, or lack of talent that they have for the line, especially "big ticket" once he gets back

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  19. 19 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

    New coach.  New offensive coordinator.  New QB.  All new receivers.  But at least you gave them a game.

    GM with three year to acquire manpower for the most important unit on any team.  The offensive line.  His results.  Horrendous. 

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  20. 10 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

    Did you make this judgment after one whole game of the new regime or did you make it at halftime?

    New regime ?  How long has the offensive line guru had to acquire manpower ??? Do you see who is on the line and how they are playing ?

    Give your brain a chance. 

  21. 15 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

    It's the first game of the year. If this continues and the results are similar, then you have a point. Although the point is more directed at JD rather than the Johnsons who really have no input here other than hiring the GM's and coaches. So on to the source, JD.  I have been really disappointed, in particular, with JD's  assemblage of the OL.  As far as including Saleh in this conversation, that's pure lunacy. The OL has sucked last year and was equally as bad the previous year. The additions since then have been pedestrian: McGovern, Lewis, van Roten, Khlalil.  They havent or didnt play very well. Fact.  Word is still out on Becton. He has shown some promise but has also raised concerns.  The safer bet would have been Wirfs. JD traded a bunch to get AVT.   He's played 1 game. No camp. Who knows what we got.  JD spent 10M on Fant who ,again, has been average as the rest of his FA's and draft picks.  This is the biggest concern to me. JD was SUPPOSED to be a connoisseur in regard to the OL.  He has been Gase-like.  And his draft picks leave a lot to be desired. It's also way to early to make an educated assessment on JD at this point. It's going to take a few more years. BUT, it's not looking good thus far. 

    Agree with many points but... C. Johnson hired JD on the advise of Gase.  JD's lack of performance goes back to Johnson.   And I'm sure that Chris had discussion with Woody regarding both the Gase hire and the Douglas hire.  Remember, the phone is only a second away.   They conferred about it and agreed on it.

    As far as Saleh.  Yes, yes and YES.   He's not to blame, BUT he is part of the mess now.

    If JD goes, then you have a HC in Saleh without a GM.

    Remember Rex without Tanny ??? You got Idzik who was working to sabotage his one HC in order to get rid of him.

    JD's drafting and FA moves have been awful.  So much so, I don't see him keeping his job.  The Jets wont ever get above 8-8 at best and heads will eventually have to roll.

    BUT... The owner wont change.

    So get ready for the next GM/HC combo to come in, inspire optimism... And Fail

    Let me add one more thing here.

    There were reasons that Belichick  left the Jets running after he wrote is resignation on a used table napkin.  He met Jonson and saw what he was about.

    There are reasons that very good FA's don't want to sign with the Jets.

    The Jets are a marked team due to what there is at the very top.

  22. 11 hours ago, phill1c said:

    WHat do the teams of 1986 have to do with today's team? What does the 2010 have to do with it? Nothing except their memories. The present team is not and shouldn't be saddled with past failures.

    I don't blame the fans because it's not easy to be optimistic. But if you really can't be, then why are you calling yourselves "fans"? Get a team you can get behind, not one you just like to insult. It's bad enough when the team loses, but when it's 0-1 and they act like it's 0-50 years, well, that's just a needlessly  baselessly critical.

    But I also realize that I'm not the arbiter of what makes a good fan. I just realize for me it's hard to listen to a loud stream of negativity after the first game. 

    Losing the first game had nothing to do with it.  Watching the offensive line (and the GM is supposed to be the guy for that) is what set me off.  They way they played was simply not defensible.  It has much less to to do about "needing time to gel" and far more to do with the quality of the manpower.   And if you go back and look at my posts leading up to the 2020 draft, you'll see I felt the Jets must draft an offensive line player, but should stay clear of Becton. 

    If the line plays better as the season goes on, I'll own up to it, but they wont.  Not by much at least. 

  23. 9 hours ago, doitny said:

    did you hate Woody after he hired Rex? or how about after the 2 AFCCG we went to under him? 

    you can blame Idzik on Woody, but Mac? he was hired after Casserly did a GM search. i bet alot of us had no problem with Woody taking the advice from Casserly instead of making his own choice. 

    we forget Todd Bowles was a hot candidate when we hired him. and Gase was on Chris. im sure Woody ok it but he wasnt hear to do the research . 

    then i guess Chris hires the hot GM in JD who in turn hires the Hot HC in Saleh.

    i dont know what else you want from a owner but to hire the hot candidate that everyone wants. 

    and i dont know about you but i seen alot of hope yesterday.  

    yeah the OL was really bad but i seen Wilson almost get killed and keep making plays. Wilson got sacked 6 times and hit 10 times and still threw for 258 yds and 2 TDs 1 INT.

    Sam had 2, 6 sack games last year and threw for 230 0-0 and 120 0-2  see the difference? that is what i always said about Sam, if he was a good QB he would have shown us more with the OL and weapons we gave him. what Wilson did yesterday was show you that more i was talking about.

    i seen a secondary that was suppose to get lit up from the fantastic trio of Darnold, Anderson and Moore. but that didnt happen. that Robbie TD was from a safety who was here for 4 days out of position.

    i seen a HC who made halftime adjustments that worked. yeah the OL was really bad but there is a lot of hope i see. and im not killing Moore or JD for his drop pass in his FIRST GAME. and lets not all act like he was wide open and it hit his chest, that more drop was a tough catch. defender was all over him and Wilson make a great throw.

    we all need to step away from the cliff, its just one game. 

    Let me focus on a point that I think is compelling.  I didn't blame Woody for the Rex hire.  I thought it was a great hire and I still love Rex.  He's in the top three of all time Jet coaches, IMHO.  What the problem was is this.

    Woody didn't realize that Rex although being a good game coach and wonderful player's coach and fan's coach and media coach, was also an emotional reactionary.  Instead of keeping Rex on the field and away from the front office, Woody gave Rex a free hand to despoil the roster.  Tanny was a push over and Rex was allowed to wreck his own tenure.

    A smart owner would have recognized what Rex was and what he wasn't and managed accordingly.

    Opposite strengths and weakness with Mangini.   Good administrator, good draft guy, good roster guy, good organizer.  Poor in game coach due to lack of capitol experience.  Again... If Woody was a smart top admin, he would have made sure his GM backed Mangini up with very strong OC and DC.

    There were avenues open to sustained success with both Magini and Rex but Woody didnt have the tools as the prime admin to manage them.

    I DONT hate Woody.  I dont know him.

    He is an inexperienced person with a lot of money that bought a toy. 

     

  24. 2 hours ago, KO91 said:

    Trevor Lawrence should stay in school if the Jets get the #1 pick. The Jags would be so much better. 

    Given the wonderful offensive line Joe Douglas has assembled, TL would be just as bad off with the Jets as he would with the Jags,  What I saw from the Joe Douglas offensive line yesterday was every bit as bad as the days of Anthony Cement / Adrian Clarke offensive line.  HE;s has three years and they still have the worst line in the NFL.  

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