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  1. 1 hour ago, SAR I said:

    Illegal helmet.

    The rules clearly state that if a team uses a helmet that is not historically accurate then they cannot use a historic logo.  The current metallic green helmet can only utilize the current primary logo.  The only Jets alternate helmet that can use the 80's Concorde logo would be the historically correct 80's helmet and only if it is worn with a historically correct 80's throwback uniform.

    Don't make me say this again.  The only helmets the Jets are allowed to run with are:

    1.  1968/2018 white helmet with original NY oval logo (only if they wear matching throwback 1968/2018 uniforms too).  You can add the '64 with the airplane if you like.  You can add the '15 color rush if you like.  

    2.  1980 green helmet with Concorde logo (only if they wear matching throwback 1980 uniforms too).

    3.  2010 AFL NY Titans (only if they wear matching throwback Titans uniforms too).

    4.  Any crazy helmet design they want to introduce right down to pink camouflage or yellow zebra stripes (but this shall include only the existing team logo).

    Stop with the renderings and fantasies of non-throwback helmets with non-current logos.  Those are illegal and will be called out as such.

    SAR I

    OK, Matlock... 

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  2. On 6/25/2021 at 5:35 PM, Alka said:

    I am happy that he signed with us, but what's with this one-year deal?  It seems very unusual to me.  It's not like he needs to prove himself, since he played well up until now.

    Douglas is the anti-Mr. Coffee.  I like the one year deal.  I'd wager Douglas will draft another offensive line prospect in 2022 between round two and four and he knows it.  I'm very happy the Jets have a GM that pays particular attention to the offensive line in the draft and FA.  And, somehow also managed to accumulate a nice stable of pass catchers AND a very exciting new QB.

    I've been a Jets fan since I was a kid back in the 80's and I have seen a lot of failed regimes, but I am very pleased now with Douglas and the direction the roster is going in.  

    I'm cautious, but intrigued... 

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  3. 1 hour ago, JetNation said:

    Robert Saleh

    On this week’s episode of JetNation Radio, Glenn, Alex and Dylan will cover head coach Robert Saleh’s comments to the media regarding the team’s young cornerbacks. Listen to our New York Jets Podcast as we also discuss Jamison Crowder and Marcus Maye’s very different contract situations. Which surprise cuts could be coming when the season rolls around?  That and much more on this week’s episode.  Don’t miss it.

    Our Podcast can now be found on Spotify and Amazon Music. Also, be sure to subscribe to us on iTunes or Google Play. Here is some more information on how you can find us online.
     

    The post Saleh’s Comments on Corners Reason for Concern or Confidence? NY Jets Podcast appeared first on JetNation.com (NY Jets Blog & Forum).

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    Click here to read the full story...

    If Pretty Boy Wilson, the new offensive line and the impressive stable of pass catchers perform well, they should be able to make up for having an untried batch of CBs.   This new offensive roster is primed to put up a pile of points.  

  4. 23 minutes ago, jgb said:

     

    So your argument is that you would've made the same bad decisions that gave us 2014 on the basis of our 8-8 record in 2013. You know what, why I am trying to defend you? You can have that "win" lol.

    2014 saw a roster intentionally depleted by an inexperienced GM with a coach killing agenda.  I'm not making any statement other than the Jets won 8 games in 2013 under Rex Ryan. 

  5. 15 minutes ago, jgb said:

    No one said “it doesn’t count.” We just said when used alone to extrapolate a team’s future performance, it can lead to bad decisions because it is overly simplistic (I.e., inaccurate) to place equal weight on all wins and losses, regardless of circumstances.

    If you want to debate someone who thinks wins are not important you should probably go find someone who actually holds that view.

    There is no debate here.  There never was.  They found a way to win 8 games and the win loss column sits above any other number.  Let that sink in.

  6. 30 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    My position is very defensible.  And "8 wins" is a statistic!  It's just a very poor one to evaluate that 2013 team when you look at all the data available.  Simple as that.  

    Simple as *8* wins in the number that counts.  That's not pride of authorship.  That's fact. 

  7. 10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    There's an 8-8 that's close to 11-5 and there's an 8-8 that's closer to 4-12.  We were the latter.  That's what the debate was about and the part you have no willingness to acknowledge.  It's cool, we're all stubborn in some ways, and its probably a silly topic to discuss 8 years later.  But you clearly lost this round.  Putting your fingers in your ears here basically sealed that.

    I "lost this round" ??? Now you're boasting about a participation trophy your awarded yourself as both the only judge and the singular contestant on the podium.  Your position here is indefensible. The Jets under Rex Ryan found a way to win *8* games with one of the worst rosters in the league.  Finding a way to win *8* games is the compelling factor in this case.  Not statistics. 

  8. 2 hours ago, jgb said:

    That position is gratifying in explaining complex systems in simple terms but it ignores a huge flaw in that drawn to its conclusion one would have to surmise that all teams that share the same record are equal. This is, of course, demonstrably not true as teams face different opponents on their way to achieving that record. Once you grant that (as you must), the entire premise falls apart.

    Very clinical, but it complicates the obvious.  The answer remains the same without any possible change in that answer due to calculated evasion.  Their record was 8-8.  They found a way to win 8 games and the number of the games they won was 8.  8 is preceded by 7 and followed by 9, but the number of the games they won was 8.  That makes their record 8 -8.  As for teams with similar records but unequal statistics... The championship ladder in football is a single elimination contest.  The team with more a impressive collection of statistics gets sent home regularly. All a team need do is win enough games to get a place on the ladder and then, find a way to win a single elimination contest to advance to the next single elimination contest.  Stats be damned.  

    It works the same way with a team's official record.   Winning 8 games is winning 8 games regardless of who complicates the obvious or trivializes the momentous. 

    So, again... I ask.  What was their record ???

  9. 1 hour ago, jgb said:

     

    The 2013 Jets had the worst point differential in history (I believe) for a team with a non-losing record. You run enough permutations, eventually a coin will land on heads 20 times in a row (which is the reason Martingale betting systems always result in a complete loss over time unless you have infinite resources to bet with and the table doesn't have a limit). The 2013 Jets were an incredibly lucky team (from a historical perspective) and an outlier (@nico002). Anyone who takes any lessons or draws general conclusions from that team does so at their peril. Which is what the Jets unfortunately did with predictable results.

    And what was their record ??? Their official record ???  How many games did they find a way to win ???

  10. 8 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

    I think you're underestimating our DL, which - especially in the Wide 9 - has the potential to be monstrous. Q as a one-gapping 3-Tech next to Lawson on the edge is going to be a lot for teams to deal with, and the rotation of Rankins and Fatukasi next to Q will be impressive. The real question is whether they can get some upside from the other DE (Huff, Curry, Phillips, Zuniga ... someone step up)

    Dunno.  We'll have to see

  11. 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    Yes there is.  And the biggest problem with thinking this way is that it causes teams to poorly evaluate where they stand.  Since we went 8-8 in 2013, people here (and I imagine in the Jets org as well) thought we were super close to being a contender, when in reality we were one of the 6 or 7 worst teams in the league that year.  

    In this instance, the Parcells quote "You are what your record says you are" didn't reflect reality.  

    As they say... We have to agree to disagree on this one.  A record is a record.  

  12. On 6/21/2021 at 4:44 PM, Doggin94it said:

    Why not, it's not like there's anything else to do. Let's get this down to the final 53

    QB: 2

    Wilson and Morgan. White to the PSquad.

    RB: 4

    Carter, Coleman, Johnson, Adams. Perine is a tough cut, may take Adams' spot

    FB: 1

    Wesco is competing against himself here; if he's cut, it'll be for another FB

    WR: 6

    Davis, Mims, Crowder, Moore, Cole, Berrios. Don't buy the hype, Mims is still a starter here. That WR group is stacked.

    TE: 2

    Herndon, Kroft. Griffin & Brown get cut. Yeboah to the PSquad

    OL: 9

    Becton, Vera-Tucker, McGovern, Van Roten, Moses, Fant, Feeney, Clark, Andrews. Lewis gets cut in favor of more versatile interior linemen (Feeney, Andrews). Yes, I'm projecting that we sign Moses. Hoge, Hermanns, & Saltes compete for PSquad spots with Kaufusi.

    Total Offense: 24

    DE: 5

    Lawson, Franklin-Myers, Huff, Curry, Blair. Zuniga is fighting for his life, as is Kyle Phillips, and those last three spots are up for grabs. But Saleh loves Blair. They could try to shove Huff to the PSquad. Hamilcar Rashed to the PSquad

    DT: 5

    Williams, Rankins, Fatukasi, Marshall, Shepherd. Dwumfour to the PSquad and Shepherd is holding on by the skin of his teeth; he's probably the first cut if they need a spot elsewhere.

    LB: 5

    Mosely, Davis, Nasrilideen, Sherwood, Eifler. Cashman is a tough cut but the kid is never healthy.

    CB: 6

    Hall, Austin, Jackson, Guidry, Dunn, Carter. Whooo ... some tough cuts here. Echols and Pinnock to the PSquad, but the only CB who is pretty much guaranteed a roster spot is Hall. This competition will be fun to watch, and there may be some special teams spots open for these guys.

    S: 4

    Maye, Joyner, Davis, Bennett Jackson. JT Hassell is a tough cut and may take Jackson's spot.

    Total DEF: 25

    ST: 4

    Hennessey, Mann, Naggar, Hardee. Yep, Ficken gets cut. Hardee makes the roster as the ST ace.

    Thoughts?

    Other than TE, the offense is a playoff contending unit *IF* Wilson does well his first year out.  The defense is fair but unimpressive at the first and second level and potentially horrendous at the third level.  

    The Jets really look like an "offensive" team again. 

  13. 8 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    No, he went 4-12 his last year here.  And in that 8-8 season (2013), his team was outscored by 97 points.  6th worst in the league.  That was a fraudulent 8-8 record of the highest order.  One of the least competitive 8-8 teams of all time, if not the least.

    I stand corrected regarding 2013.  And... No such thing as a fraudulent record.  No such thing at all.  

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