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  1. Dude you can't be this ignorant. I'd rather just think you're heartless, which means the following will have no impact on you, but I'll post it anyway: There has been a rise in the number of minors contacting the National Sexual Assault Hotline to report abuse. That's according to RAINN, the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, which runs the hotline. By the end of March, with much of the country under lockdown, there was a 22% increase in monthly calls from people younger than 18, and half of all incoming contacts were from minors. That's a first in RAINN's history, Camille Cooper, the organization's vice president of public policy, tells NPR. Of those young people who contacted the hotline in March, 67% identified their perpetrator as a family member and 79% said they were currently living with that perpetrator. In 1 out of 5 cases where the minor was living with their abuser, RAINN assisted the minor in immediately contacting police. "As a result of looking at the information that we had from those sessions, it was clear that the abuse was escalating in both frequency and severity," Cooper says. "So a lot of the kids that were coming to the hotline were feeling pretty vulnerable and traumatized. And it was a direct result of COVID-19, because they were quarantined with their abuser. The abuser was now abusing them on a daily basis." You must have an interesting definition of "integrity" . . .
  2. WOW -- nice to know all the suffering out there is just "peripheral consequences" to you. I mean hey, as long as you didn't lose your job, and your wife/kids aren't the ones getting beat up, and you don't know anyone (to your knowledge) attempting suicide, we might as well grab the chips and go back to the TV, amirite?
  3. Let's play a game. We'll look at your post and see how many words describe what you wrote: deflection -- yup, who cares if others are suffering, THIS IS A COVID ARGEMENT GOSH DARN IT!!! false choice -- definitely, I mean how could millions suffering hold a candle to thousands dying? opinion -- textbook definition ignores reality -- says the person who has ZERO proof that all these COVID deaths were poor unaccountable souls who did everything they could to fight the disease but just couldn't overcome those meanies who didn't wear a mask at Spring Break crux of the problem -- well, if millions suffering doesn't ring any bells for you, then yeah I'd say that's pretty accurate absurdity -- I used to think so, but I'm so numb to it after 6+ months that I just end up writing sarcastic responses and calling it a day . . .
  4. Your assumption that "excess deaths = COVID deaths" is just that -- an assumption. You don't think there was more mental stress the past few months than before? Less availability to get to the doctor? Less help for the most needy? Our entire world is different now than the past few years, why would a direct comparison be appropriate? Add that to the fact that I've had multiple doctors tell me "if they had COVID in their system, they're listed as a COVID death" and I guess I just can't buy the idea that 200,000 people slipped through the cracks. In regards to the virus "raging unchecked", I don't understand how it's been here 6+ months and <2% of the nation was affected (.0006 death rate). Does that really describe a rage? You say less would have died if they "shut everything down for two months", I say we'd be in a MUCH worse state as a nation, and those same people you "saved" in April would end up dying in August anyway. I agree the answer is in the middle somewhere (I begrudgingly wear my mask whenever required). But there are A LOT of hurting people out there who have no voice at all because society has decided they have to care about someone else's health more than the person himself . . .
  5. Thank you for the civilized discussion. I'm not sure where you live, but I'm in NJ and things are definitely NOT up and running. Our daily death toll can be counted on our fingers, but we're still acting like we're one step away from distaster. Our leaders are consciously choosing to hurt the masses, then saying "but we have no choice!" I (and many others) do not believe that is the case. I'm all for wearing masks, sanitizing etc. I just believe opening up more of the country would be a MAJOR blessing to many people, while not posing a serious threat to those who take proper precautions. We'll just agree to disagree and go back to suffering through another Jets season (unless they wear those helmet decals, which is another debate altogether) . . .
  6. You can disagree with all you want -- just know you're disagreeing with facts: Increase in child abuse https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/28/847251985/child-sexual-abuse-reports-are-on-the-rise-amid-lockdown-orders Increase in Suicides https://www.rollcall.com/2020/08/05/pandemics-effect-on-already-rising-suicide-rates-heightens-worry/ Increase in mental health issues https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/the-implications-of-covid-19-for-mental-health-and-substance-use/ Increase in homelessness https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/15/coronavirus-could-make-tens-of-thousands-of-californians-homeless-according-to-report/ Increase in unemployment https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-many-u-s-workers-have-lost-jobs-during-coronavirus-pandemic-there-are-several-ways-to-count-11591176601 Those things may not matter to you, but they do to me. Rational people should realize you don't risk the welfare of MILLIONS just so THOUSANDS don't have to take proper precautions. And oh yeah, about how COVID deaths are counted . . . Dying WITH COVID vs Dying FROM COVID https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721
  7. So you're OK with women and children getting physically and sexually abused? With people attempting/committing suicide at alarming rates? With people losing their jobs, businesses, marriages and homes? With mental depression exploding all around us? With the most needy among us having access to LESS resources when they need them MOST? Don't bother answering -- I'm sure you're NOT "ok" with that. Who would be? But we know for a fact that these are but a few of the consequences of the path our leaders have chosen. What started out as "flatten the curve" has turned into "eliminate the disease", regardless of how impossible that is. If you think this virus is as contagious as they say, then those other countries haven't accomplished anything because they haven't completely eradicated it. It is only a matter of time before they have explosions again because 1 becomes 2, becomes 4, becomes 8 becomes 16, etc. etc. pretty quickly. The only answer to this that's fair to everyone is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Let people live their lives. Let them work. Let them go to school. If you're concerned about getting the virus, take proper precautions. If you don't, take responsibility for the reults. 3,000,000 people die in this country every year, and it's sad those deaths seemingly take a back seat if "COVID" isn't attached to the death certificate . . .
  8. Yet we should accept lost jobs, lost businesses, divorce, suicide, abused children, mental disorders and homelessness? No offense, but it's very insensitive to tell a guy to "get tough and adapt" when he doesn't know how he's going to feed his three children or keep a roof over their head. And if there's any lying over COVID deaths, it's because they are being OVERSTATED. People are dying of things like colon cancer (and even suicide) and counted as COVID deaths because it was technically in their system. They openly admit they are counting deaths WITH covid, not just deaths FROM covid. And no one seems to want to acknowledge that 1/2 the deaths were in nursing homes (NO correlation to whether society reopens or not). You're not weak for wearing a mask -- I'd argue it's a smart decision. But to ruin people's lives over it? I disagree that someone's ability to care for his family should take a back seat to someone else's desire to "feel safe" . . .
  9. Please explain? We've had this virus here for 6+ months, and to our knowledge < .02 of the population got infected (at least to the point of getting sick enough to be recorded). So is the virus nowhere near as contagious as they say? Or did people do a good job of keeping it in check?
  10. And they can't if they don't play football?
  11. I respect your opinion, so I'm sorry if it sounds like I don't. But you (and others) have tunnel vision on the mortality numbers (which is another discussion re death FROM COVID vs. death WITH COVID). But why do we completely ignore the horrific effect it is having on other areas of society? Millions of unemployed Increased homelessness Increased domestic abuse Increased child abuse (physical AND sexual) Increased suicide attempts/successes Increased mental health issues Increased divisiveness as a nation Decrease in ability to meet needs of most vulnerable We act like it's as simple as "just don't play football for a while". But there are MILLIONS of people suffering who have been stripped of any recourse to remedy their situation. As opposed to the COVID victims, who most certainly have the power to care for themselves more than they often choose to. People say "follow the science", but the science is exactly what's telling us that we're destroying a HUGE part of the population out of fear of what MIGHT happen to a much smaller one. My .02, which isn't even worth that much . . .
  12. I'm not glossing over anything -- I'm just using the CDC's own data to show how infinitely small the probability is of a healthy college athlete dying from this virus. If you want to change the argument to "but what about all those helpless people they may infect" that's your prerogative. But please at least acknowledge that half those deaths occurred in nursing homes -- I'm not sure why those people care if kids play football or not. In response to your closing question, I DO believe people are often responsible for catching COVID -- I admit I was. I didn't take all the precautions I could have and ended up in the hospital with double pneumonia. The difference I don't blame "someone else" for me getting sick. It's common knowledge we are an obese nation -- just because someone doesn't officially know they have diabetes, heart disease, compromised immunity, etc. is no excuse to not be cautious in today's environment.
  13. The average COVID death had 2.6 underlying conditions. Old? You're probably OK. Old with diabetes? Odds are in your favor. Old with diabetes and heart disease? Yeah, you should probably not go to a football game . . .
  14. By the CDC's own data, a college athlete has < .0002 chance of dying from this virus (and that's assuming they get it in the first place) Compared to a .001 chance of death just for being 20 yo https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html So I guess they should be 5 times more scared of getting out of bed in the morning than of dying from COVID . . .
  15. I'm assuming it would count as a forfeit? If both teams boycotted they'd both get L's? That may not be PC but it's not much of a protest if there's no consequence . . .

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