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  1. I gotta admit-- from his resume, I didn't think he was qualified to hold a clip board. As an aside, I'll bet Joe Flacco is pretty happy. At this point in his career, and the attitude he probably had when he signed on with the Jets, he'd probably be thrilled to never have to step onto the field on game day.
  2. It was only a matter of time before those who believed that it was unnecessary to have a veteran QB on the team were proven wrong.
  3. Well, from the interwebs: "In order to keep the football pitch in optimum condition, there are two different surfaces – a Desso GrassMaster hybrid grass pitch for football, and a synthetic turf surface underneath to be used for NFL games, as well as concerts and other events." I assume "football" in this context refers to what we call soccer.
  4. I think they all go out to the pub the night before, drink warm ale, and are still slightly drunk the next morning. Couple of bangers for breakfast, and they're good to go.
  5. That relationship is actually touched on in the Bleacher Report article. That article covers the full range between vets who felt threatened by the competition, to guys like Tyrod Taylor, or Ryan Fitzpatrick, who will compete for the starting job, but also do everything they can to help the rookie develop, to guys like Josh McCown, who literally considers himself a vet mentor for hire. McCown goes as far as to follow the rookie draft classes to see where he might latch on in that role. (He's available, btw) I think Brian Hoyer fits that mold, as well. The main takeaway from that article is that it falls on the GM, and coaching staff to build an environment where the rookie can succeed, and the "quarterback room" is an extremely important part of that. As much as it pains me to say it, (ugh...) I think the Patriots* have done an excellent job of that with Mac & Cheese. And, obviously, the Jets have not. If Mac & Cheese, with his low-velocity dad-bod, had been drafted by the Jets, he might be dead by now.
  6. Well, I could say there are lots of young QB's who failed despite showing up for practice, and it would not be a valid argument against showing up for practice. But here are several articles describing the efficacy of vet mentorship: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850518-life-in-an-nfl-quarterback-room-how-the-prospect-mentor-dynamic-really-works https://247sports.com/nfl/chicago-bears/Article/In-a-critical-offseason-Chicago-Bears-veterans-mentoring-rookies-is-crucial--148089786/ https://www.foxnews.com/sports/patriots-mac-jones-cam-newton-mentorship https://torotimes.com/2021/06/04/texans-davis-mills-tyrod-taylor-mentor/
  7. You actually consider "lots of young QB's who failed despite veteran mentors on the sidelines" as anecdotal evidence that vet mentorship has no value in developing a rookie? You're being serious?
  8. Quantify? No. It's a non-sensical request, because you can't say definitively what would have happened had any of those quarterbacks been left to run an NFL offense, as rookies, without the support of an experienced QB on the sidelines. (Although, we can certainly see how poorly Zach Wilson is doing, left spinning in the wind). What we can do is qualify how vet quarterbacks help develop their rookie counterparts. You can see it with your own eyes on game day, when the two quarterbacks are sitting on the sidelines going over the previous series on the team iPad. Imaging being a rookie quarterback, going three and out, and then immediately afterward having an experienced veteran showing you images of the plays you had just run, and showing you what went wrong, what you could have done differently, what tells the defense had shown that you missed? dbatesman above used the example of Brian Hoyer, because he is currently filling that role for Mac Jones with the Patriots*. Hoyer has thrown over 1,500 passes in 70 games over 12 years. When Mac & Cheese walks to the sideline after a series, who do you think would have better insights into what had just transpired on the field? Hoyer, or Mike White, who has not played a single snap in a regular season game? I'm absolutely stunned with the assertion that such real-time insights would not have any value for a rookie quarterback's development, and that isn't even touching on the value of a vet mentor during practices. And literally, for all the world to see, is the perfect illustration of exactly how not to develop a rookie quarterback in what the Jets are doing with Zach Wilson. Mind-boggling.
  9. I didn't address your question about "Hoyer being worth five-plus TDs per year," because that is the straw man you are pursuing. Such a number is an un-knowable quantity. It's purely speculative. That being said, if Wilson were being properly developed, then yes, he would make more TDs. That seems blisteringly obvious. It also seems blisteringly obvious that having someone like Hoyer going over the immediately previous plays, coverages, defensive looks, etc. is valuable information for a rookie quarterback who's learning on the job. Do you think such knowledge might lead to more TDs? I certainly do. And if you don't understand why such knowledge would be valuable, or why someone like Hoyer would have a better understanding of such things than Mike White, or what the hell QBs are doing when they're going over images on the team iPad between series, then there's really no point in going any further.
  10. "A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one." (from Wikipedia) Be that as it may, did you even read the post you're responding to? Like the part where I write: "with Hoyer on the sidelines going over the looks the opposing D was showing, how to recognize their coverages, how they pressured him, and how to better avoid it, etc?" Do you honestly think that sort of knowledge isn't useful, during a game, to a developing quarterback? Seriously?
  11. You should hang around until next season. Jets will get the first overall pick in the '22 draft. That should be exciting.
  12. Well, there is that all-but-guaranteed first overall pick in '22...
  13. Jeesh... dark days when Jets fans are pining for Rex Ryan.
  14. Straw man argument. The question should be: Would Wilson be developing better with Hoyer on the sidelines going over the looks the opposing D was showing, how to recognize their coverages, how they pressured him, and how to better avoid it, etc? Or, perhaps it's better to have Mike White sitting there with nothing to contribute? Seriously, you're just being stubborn. Your argument of "eh, the vet probably doesn't matter..." is in direct contrast to every other rookie quarterback being developed in the league for as long as I can remember. And to your straw man argument above-- maybe if Wilson had Hoyer's support on the sideline, he might have made a touchdown in the last two games? Maybe a couple fewer sacks? Maybe a couple fewer interceptions?
  15. Late Nate Peterman could now be considered a vet, I suppose. He couldn't be in '18. Honestly, I've never seen a rookie quarterback asked to start a season with less support, on the field, or on the sideline, than Zach Wilson. And watch which QBs from this class develop, and which ones bust. You don't think a vet presence would help Zach Wilson? I think that's crazy. After three games, Mac Jones is head and shoulders above Wilson. Obviously, Jones being surrounded by veterans throughout the process is not the only reason he is progressing. It's just another part of the formula that the Jets are ignoring.
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