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  1. 1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

    As far as Fields game against Indiana, everyone has bad games. Look at Lawrence's game against LSU in 2019 season. 

     

    yes, comparing a game against a so-called "basketball school" (your words, not mine) and a game against the NCAA champion is definitely an apples-to-apples comparison 😁

  2. 1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

    You are hanging your hat against 1 so-so USC team and a bad Vols team in a non-discript year for Wilson. 

    As far as Fields game against Indiana, everyone has bad games. Look at Lawrence's game against LSU in 2019 season. 

     

    i'm not hanging my hat on anything.

    i am saying your comment "One year wonder, played against sub par competition,  never faced a real pass rush and the one game he did, he lost. I could go on" is factually incorrect.

    the rest of this back-and-forth is you refusing to admit that your statement is factually incorrect because like many interwebz arm-chair GMs, you need to always be correct, even when the FACTS say otherwise.

    opinions are fine.  everyone is entitled to their opinion.  you liked fields better - that is fine.  i won't argue your opinion.  JD and apparently a handful of NFL GMs disagreed.  doesn't make them right either, at least at this premature juncture.

    but facts are facts.  wilson played more than 1 game against good teams and he beat at least 2 of them (winning record from power 5 conference).  what you said is incorrect.

     

  3. 6 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

    Can you pull out any more irrelevant things? 

    Bowl games? Who doesn't  go to a bowl game?

    Iowa beat that powerhouse USC team in the Holiday Bowl by like 3 TD's

    The Vols played Indiana in the Taxslayer Gator Bowl. Yes,  the Vols played a school better known for Basketball in its bowl game.  

    Mean while Fields played Alabama in the National Championship game. 

    and cardelle jones won a national title for ohio state.  means nothing in terms of professional careers.

    i am not questioning the competition fields played vis-a-vis wilson.  fields played on a better, more talented team, and he played against better, more talented teams.

    this is what you said:

    One year wonder, played against sub par competition,  never faced a real pass rush and the one game he did, he lost. I could go on

    i responded that he actually played for 3 years, including beating USC and Tenn in 2019.  not sure why you feel the need to argue a fact.  this is a fact.  he did face power 5 conference teams and a real pass rush in more than 1 game.  you just refuse to admit that his track record includes more than the 2020 season.  

    btw - justin fields against indiana in 2020 (18/30, 300 yards, 2 TDs, 3 Ints) - yes, 3 Ints vs a school better known for basketball (which in and of itself is just an idiotic thing to say)

  4. 36 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

    If Wilson last season were similar to his first two, Wilson is trying to make a deal as an UDFA. Last season is why he was drafted. Nobody even knew who he was before last season nor did anyone care.

     

    ok, i'm not disputing that.

    it still doesn't mean we can't look at his performance against teams like USC and Tenn in 2019.  you said he didn't play anyone.  i showed he beat two power 5 teams, both of which had winning records and went to bowl games, in 2019.  but since it didn't happen last year, you don't count it.

    both can be true - he was drafted very high because of his 2020 performance AND he has a track record that is more than 2020, including wins against USC and Tenn in 2019.

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  5. 30 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

    Apparently you don't  know what one year wonder means. 

    If Wilson was not a one year wonder, nobody was. 

     

    yes, wilson had an extraordinary year his final season, showing great improvement over the prior 2 seasons.  that doesn't mean we just disregard what he did in the prior seasons.  one year wonder is a lazy term, primarily used by people pre-disposed to disliking wilson (or better said, those who wanted someone else).  he actually has more experience than fields, jones and lance, but apparently since those happened before 2020, they don't count for the one year wonder crew.

    yes, he played a weak schedule in 2020.  and in 2019, he beat both USC and Tennessee.  do we just ignore these performances and only evaluate what he did during his "one year wonder year"?  i'd be willing to bet the jets (and other teams) looked at all his game film, not just 2020.

  6. 12 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

    First, that changes nothing about what I wrote, secondly, the Vols suck. They are capable of losing to anyone. I don't  know  so much about USC but it looks like they had a bad game more than Wilson lighting them up as he did to everyone last season.

     

    you said he was a  1 year wonder.  not true.  he played 3 years.  he actually had more pass attempts (837) than any of the other 1st round QBs except for lawrence.  more than fields (618), more than jones (556), and certainly more than lance (318).

    you also said he played no one.  not true.  yes, he had a soft schedule in 2020 due to covid recking their schedule.  but he had played against some power 5 schools and beat both USC and tennessee in 2019, both of which went 8-5 that year.

  7. 12 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

    And Elway is his boss. He hired him. You don't  think he was in his ear about that pick?

    no, elway was "kicked" upstairs.  it was the owners way of not firing a legend.

    paton is someone who turned down many, many opportunities to become a GM.  i find it hard to believe after being approached probably a dozen times, he finally decided to take a job being john elway's yes man.

    here is elway on draft night:

    https://www.nfl.com/news/john-elway-s-mile-high-torch-pass-inside-the-first-denver-broncos-draft-run-by-g

    It was time to live in the here and now. There was a flurry of activity as the team's 10-minute window opened, with Fields still on the board and three teams phoning with trade-down offers. The situation called for a steady hand -- and the owner of the most righteous right arm in the Rocky Mountains reclined in his upper-row seat, flashing an unruffled grin and taking it all in.

    This would not be John Elway's call to make, and the legendary quarterback and accomplished executive felt completely at peace with that unfamiliar state of affairs.

    "I still got a little nervous in that room," Elway said late Thursday night, after the Broncos had stayed put, passed on Fields and selected former Alabama cornerback Patrick Surtain II. "But it was nice to be where I was, and it felt right. After 60 years, for the first time in my life, I was glad I wasn't the guy pulling the trigger."

    {snip}

    Last December, toward the end of a challenging and emotionally draining season, the 60-year-old Elway decided the time had come to step down and hand the keys to the franchise he loves to someone new. With CEO Joe Ellis' blessing, Elway kicked himself upstairs (his new title is president of football operations) and initiated a search for his successor.

     

     

     

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  8. 7 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

     

    As for Denver, Elway is one of the worst GM's in the league. I have no idea why he still has a job. 

     

     

    elway is not the GM.  they hired george paton this year, a man who twice turned down requests by the jets to interview him for a GM opening

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  9. 3 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

    You really opened Pandora's box here.

    Wilson has as many Red flags as any QB I have seen. One year wonder, played against sub par competition,  never faced a real pass rush and the one game he did, he lost. I could go on.

     

    you do realize that wilson played 3 years.

    in 2019 he beat both tennessee (19-29, 232 yards, 1 TD) and USC (20-33, 280 yards, 1 TD).  granted these aren't earth shattering numbers.  but he beat 2 teams with decidedly more talent

  10. 4 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

    I wasnt calling you a troll.  You give hard hitting content.  I was referring to me as the worthless troll..sorry if that was not clear. 

    thank you for clearing that up.

    i agree. 

    see, we CAN agree on something 😎

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  11. 45 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

    ^^^yet another JiFapono groupie who found a reason to respond by attacking the poster even though he's a worthless troll

     

    is this the part where i'm supposed to post something about in advance of the coming board clean-up, i am reporting this post

    (and for the record, i am not reporting it (is this something people actually do?), but find it funny how you've made such posts a few times running to mommy)

  12. 7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

    They traded him away because they already had Mark Andrews. He would be an immediate upgrade at TE for us. 

     

    hurst and andrews were drafted in the same year (hurst R1, andrews R3).  2 years later, the ravens traded him away (got a good return, so can't blame them).

    a year after acquiring hurst, the falcons drafted pitts; granted an elite TE prospect.  now they are looking to move on from hurst.

    so while it's no shame to not be considered as good as andrews or pitts, it is interesting to note 2 teams using valuable draft capital on hurst, only to move from him within 2 years.

    now he's better than what the jets have in house, so i'm not opposed to getting him for what i assume is a cheap cost.

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  13. 3 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

    SF also fully intends to not start tray lance

    and?

    they still drafted him over fields

    lance isn't ready to start in the nfl.  i think most agree on that.  but the point is despite what pete prisco thinks, fields was the 4th QB taken and a bunch of QB-needy teams passed on taking him.

    now this doesn't mean he will be bad, or worse than the QBs taken before him.  he could be the best of the bunch.  no one knows at this point.

    but just because pete prisco and a bunch of other people like fields more means nothing.  he may not be right, but i will go with nfl GMs, 2 of which took a QB not named justin fields (i'm excluding lawrence) and 3 or 4 of which chose not to take fields despite needing a QB of the future

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  14. well the jets front office has guys from baltimore, who probably scouted hurst.  of course, baltimore also traded away hurst.  but at the least, they would have some insight into him.

    for a late round 2022 pick, i'm all in favor of trading for him.  he's solid, but didn't really step up in atlanta like many expected (including me who took him in FF - my mid-season trade for waller helped me make the finals)

  15. 11 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

    Yeah, that's an all timer.  Especially since we know half the board could have done a better job then those dudes but I'm used to the onslaught.  It was no different when I was pro Watson/Mahomes and half the board was telling me their bust/4th round picks and they either still believed in Hack, liked Trubisky better or wanted to wait for Darnold.  Let me repeat, these same dues railing on me this year preferred; Hackenberg, Trubisky and Darnold over Watson/Mahomes.

     

     

    yeah, you're definitely not the type to make "i was right, you were wrong" posts years later... 🙄

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  16. thanks to the OP for posting this.  love reading such insight into the process.  

    wilson may or may not be the answer.  i'm sure we all hope he is.  but it's great to read the efforts the staff went through in coming to the decision.

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  17. 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

    No your point is to crash the Wilson thread and ruin it for others 

     

     

    actually, it's to stake out a position beforehand, whereas if wilson doesn't succeed, he can claim he was right.  and if wilson does indeed succeed, he will claim he's a jets fan like all of us and he just wants whats best for the team

    win-win for him

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  18. 1 hour ago, JiFapono said:

    You mean to tell me, that Zach Wilson described a Football play and the coverage associated with the call???????????

     

    Tim And Eric Mind Blown GIF

     

    out of curiousity, in forming your infallible opinion on the QB class, how many zoom calls did you conduct while watching coaches' film? (initial post edited as it made absolutely no sense)

  19. 5 minutes ago, undertow said:

    Why are people saying we took 2 safties when we took a LB and a corner?  lol

     

    because they read it on a draft website, know absolutely nothing about the players, didn't scout them, and don't know what the jets plan is for them.

    but since there is an aversion to safeties, they freak out.  

    would be funny if AVT gets listed as a safety... 😎

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