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  1. teams need at least 3 QBs on the roster.  signing someone like hoyer does not mean morgan won't get a shot to compete for the backup spot.    but at the least, it gives the jets at least 1 QB who has actually played a snap in the nfl on their roster.

    geez - jets fans will complain about anything.  

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  2. i posted this in a different pitts thread, but i believe at the same time i was putting this together, the darnold trade happened and that thread dropped down the board.

    since this thread seems to reviving the concept of adding pitts (here giving up a significant amount of assets/draft capital to go get him), i thought the below was applicable.

     

    TEs drafted in the top 10 since 2000 (I expanded it to 10 since a list of the top 5 is blank)

    2019 - TJ Hockenson (8)

    2014 - Eric Ebron (10)

    2006 - Vernon Davis (6)

    2004 - Kellen Winslow Jr (6)

     

    Now for those that consider Pitts more of a "receiver", here's the list of WRs taken in the top 6 since 2000 (expanded to top 6 to add julio jones).  

    2017 - Corey Davis (5)

    2015 - Amari Cooper (4)

    2014 - Sammy Watkins (4)

    2012 - Justin Blackmon (4)

    2011 - AJ Green (4), Julio Jones (6)

    2007 - Calvin Johnson (2)

    2005 - Braylon Edwards (3)

    2004 - Larry Fitzgerald (3)

    2003 - Charles Rodgers (2), Andre Johnson (3)

    2000 - Peter Warrick (4)

     

    Even here it's not a tremendously impressive list considering we are talking 21 years of draft history.  There are possibly 4 eventual hall of famers on the list, but I don't think any of them have actually won a super bowl, let alone had any meaningful and prolonged playoff success.  I guess Watkins has a ring, but that's on his 3rd team as a role player, not a stud WR.

    so i guess maybe if pitts turns into the next calvin johnson or larry fitzgerald, aj green or julio jones, maybe he's worth a top 5 pick.  but to give up all the draft capital to get him???

  3. 55 minutes ago, STLuLu said:

    It's obvious you lack the knowledge of the power of bycott though out history. The civil rights bill didn't happend because of Dr. Martin L. King's articulant and powerful speeches, it happend because of the power of boycotting. The NBA players forced an owner out of the league just by threating to boycott the playoffs so how can you say owners don't care? So what that you didn't buy any merchandise. If you watched any Jets game last year then you still participated in lacing the owners' pockets.

     

    lol at attempting to equate protests over civil rights or BLM with protests because your team has been poorly managed.

    and no, the owners don't really care if you watch the game.  they have huge national tv contracts that pay billions and billions of dollars.  a handful of miffed jets fans ain't changing that 

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  4. Just now, kevinc855 said:

    Not saying I make this trade but this forum downplays every position on the field

     

     

    study the nfl draft and tell me how many teams are picking TEs, RBs, box safeties, and even WRs with top 5 or top 10 picks?  not many.  and then look at the best RBs, TEs, and WRs across the league and you will see that most of them are not 1st round picks, let alone top 5-10 picks

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  5. 4 minutes ago, JiF said:

    whoa, that much?  I dont really get the draft value thingy, I'm bad at the math, but when I look at the chart it's saying 23/34 would get it done.

    i just picked one at random via google search

    https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=nyj

    #4 = 1800

    #23 (760) + #34 (560) = 1320

    generally speaking, future picks discounted by a round, so next year's #1 = this year #2.  the 10th pick of the 2nd round this year is 480, which is the differential above.  we have 2 #1s next year, but it probably would take the lower of the two (assume seattle since they assumedly will still have russell wilson this year and have a better overall team).

    so that's the ballpark

     

    flip it around - if the jets had the #4 pick, would you trade it for a late 1st/early 2nd?

     

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  6. 1 minute ago, JiF said:

    1 year for sure, I’m being hypocritical there but he’s a freak and I like that.  I’ve never harped on weak opponents, probably the least of my concerns.

     

     

    fair enough.  and perhaps i confused you with different posters who discuss him playing "sisters of the poor"

  7. 1 hour ago, JiF said:

    I think the biggest thing here is probably the Wilson preference.  It's just frustrating.  If we were talking about taking Justin Fields or even Trey Lance, I'd probably have a different tone.  

     

     

     

     

    trey lance?  for a guy that's been harping on "one year wonder vs. crap opponents", how can you also say you'd want trey lance?  i understand the skepticism on wilson.  but to then advocate for a guy less proven who didn't even play in DI, that's seems awfully inconsistent

  8. 31 minutes ago, JiF said:

    Excuse me, but who the **** are you?  Get off your high horse and put me on ignore. 

     

    i'm a poster on a message board just like you, pal.  if you don't like my posts, you also have the ability to put me on ignore.  it seems you are good at dishing it out, but not so good when it comes back in your face.  i know that is very troubling and will have a tremendous impact on your life...

  9. 1 minute ago, JiF said:

    I'm sorry for saying my opinion on Zach Wilson was fact.  It feels fact to me.  I know it's very troubling and will have a tremendous impact on life.

     

    The green arrow up, is rep. Meaning, I appreciated the post.

     

    and you wonder why people think you are being a sarcastic tool

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  10. 14 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    That is incorrect.

    I think JD made this move because he doesn't believe in Darnold, and he does believe in Wilson, period endstop.  

    I ALSO believe it happens to be the best move for JD's job security for the long(er) term.

    With Darnold, the Jets must compete in 2021.

    Without Darnold, pressure is off, we suck....oh well, rookie QB, what did we expect.  

    Already we have posters excusing 2021 as a lost/wins-don't-matter season.

    Had we retained Darnold, wins would have mattered.

    It's really that simple IMO.

     

    being in only year 3 of a 6 year contract, i don't think there was any way in hades that JD would be fired after the 2021 season.  he may have been on the proverbial hot seat, with the press and fans leading the pitchfork and lantern brigade.  but i don't think that rolling it back with same (assumedly while also trading back and adding more draft picks), would have potentially led to JD's firing after next year.  he's under contract through 2024 and i can't see the johnson's (or any owner) dumping a GM in year 3 of a 6 year contract.

    so in the end, JD's long-term job security is tied to getting his NEXT contract (he's already getting paid through 2024).  this decision, probably more than anything else JD has or will make, likely will have a greater impact on that job security.  

  11. 1 hour ago, JiF said:

    So Greg Knapp is in charge of developing Zach Wilson?

    Awesome.  I feel very confident now.

     

    obviously tone is lost on the internet, but this seemed like a sarcastic comment.  maybe i was mistaken.  only you know the answer...

     

    42 minutes ago, JiF said:

    And I asked a clarifying question, gave you rep and said I feel confident now. .  I kind of forgot Knapp was on the team.  He's been around forever and could be a good mentor.  Gives me more confidence in the set up rather then a rookie CS taking it all on himself. 

     

  12. 32 minutes ago, JiF said:

     

    So that being said, stop with your childish name calling expert this expert that bull sh*t.  We're all here, talking, I'm having a conversation with you and being respectful.  Sorry if the way I present my opinions offends you but rest assured, you're coming off the same way sweetheart.  I'm treating you respect while you attack me like you're the moral authority on how I'm allowed to post my opinions on the interwebz.  And yes, I will sit here confidently and say that me and numerous other posters on this site could have run the Jets better then the ones in charge over the last 10 years because it's been a ******* clown show.  You're not getting paid either, homeboy, so should we all sh*t on your opinions?

    Now tighten up, get with the program or have a nice ******* day. 

     

    that's lovely and all.

    now if you can find any post on mine where i make declarative statements, calling my own opinion a FACT, then maybe it would be an apples-to-apples comparison.  in fact, i will readily admit that i am in no position to offer any opinion on these prospects.  i'm not sold on wilson, although i'm equally not sold on fields or jones (and know almost nothing about lance).  the only one i really watched in any way was fields (being a big 10 alum).  i had hoped it worked out with sam, but think it's probably best for all to move on.  

    what i find troubling is self-assured people who think they know all the answers and try and present it as fact.  it's not.  it's your opinion, which you are more than entitled to have.  i'll never attack a person's opinion.  i may question stated facts or assumptions made in drawing one's opinion, but i respect everyone's right to have and state their opinion.  but please call it such, not a FACT.

  13. 19 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    Darnold in Carolina is almost irrelevant now to JD.  Someone elses guy, was a bust here, etc.

    Wilson flopping (if it happens) will take three years, just like Sam did.  Maybe four.

    It's absolutely apt.  There is no scenario where JD lowered his short term job security via this move.  Whereas keeping Darnold, not drafting a QB, and it not working out would have had JD on the hotseat in 2022,

     

    JD has plenty of job security at this juncture.  the decisions he makes this off-season will impact how much job security he has in the future.  this includes his decision to stick with or move on from darnold (and yes, darnold theoretically succeeding in another uniform after JD shipped him off will definitely impact JD's job security), and now that he has made that decision, who he drafts to replace sam will impact his future.  all decisions he makes impact his future job security.  it's the nature of the beast.  granted some decisions have a larger impact than others.  but you are being naive if you think his bosses will just shrug off any success sam has elsewhere (hypothetically) after JD made the call to move on from sam, especially if JD's hand-picked successor flops (also hypotehetically).

    perhaps i am reading you incorrectly, but it seems to me you are phrasing it this way in part to make it like JD made this move to enhance his own job security.  i think a better reading is JD made this move because he thinks it is in the best long-term interest of the jets.  JD has a 6-year contract.  he's getting paid the full amount regardless of what happens from here on.  but his long-term future is linked to the jets' long-term success.  unless he is a complete moron, he is making moves he thinks best benefit the jets chances to win on the field, rather than making moves that buy him another year under a contract that already guarantees him payment.  if his plan works and he builds a sustainable winner (however his bosses define that), he will get an extension/raise.  if it doesn't, they will part ways somewhere down the line, another GM in the jets' trash bin.

  14. 48 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    He just bought himself three years at least.

    As was discussed at length already, this move (toss Darnold, draft a rookie) is the "safe move" for an NFL GM.  He now has at least three years he might not have gotten if he stuck with Sam.

    Hopefully he made the move for the right reasons, but unquestionably it's the right move for his own job security.

     

    if wilson flops and darnold shines in carolina, it will not have been the right move for his job security.  so i don't think the word unquestionably is apt, even if this represents your personal opinion

  15. 27 minutes ago, JiF said:

    So Greg Knapp is in charge of developing Zach Wilson?

    Awesome.  I feel very confident now.

     

    no, there is an entire offensive coaching staff there to coach up and develop the players. i gave you one example of a very experienced offensive assistant who has worked with multiple pro bowl (and hall of fame) QBs to rebut your ridiculous claim that nobody in the building knows how to coach and develop a QB.

    i get it that they don't have your level of expertise in evaluating and coaching QBs at the nfl level (you being an internet expert and all and guys like knapp only having coached multiple pro bowl QBs).  but maybe, just maybe, we should give these guys a shot before literally calling it a fact that they will fail.

    i'm kind of confused here.  are you complaining the jets traded away darnold or that they will draft wilson or that you don't approve of the coaching staff?  or is it a poo-poo platter from all of the above.?  do you think there is a QB in this draft that doesn't need coaching and development?  do you think darnold, if he wasn't traded, didn't need coaching and development?

    or are you just some internet poster who complains about pretty much everything and is so self-assured in your own football smarts that you think you know better than all these people who actually get paid to evaluate and coach players?

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  16. 44 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

    Yes. I’m going to say that quarterbacks who played in those conferences faced better pass rushers on every down than Zach Wilson has ever seen in his life.

     

    they also have better linemen protecting them, throw the ball to better receivers, and hand the ball off the better running backs

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  17. 1 hour ago, JiF said:

    Wilson is fools gold, that's a fact.

     

    is it a FACT?

    wilson is really iron sulfide?  pretty impressive for a sulfide mineral to be able to throw a football 60 yards on the run.

    or are you saying it is a FACT that wilson will not be worth the investment the jets are making in him?  because if you are so prescient, why the hell aren't you running the team?  for that matter, with your ability to see into the future, why don't you own the team?  one would think someone able to foretell the future would have made billions of dollars by now and if said person were such an ardent football fan, he would have used his fortunes to purchase and run a football team.

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