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  1. 1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

    Yes he was. For the level of talent though I felt he could have been much more. He certainly made enough money where I’m sure that doesn’t matter all that much to him.

    Maybe, but that's the story for like half the great players in our franchise's history.

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  2. 6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

    So can any great players be a Jet if they wanted?  Even if they stole the teams money for two years - or won a Super Bowls with rivals.  Where's the line?

    What if he was here for only two years? Great Jet?

    What if the last four years he was here he played Ole' rather than trying to tackle - instead of the two years he did it.

    The man sh*t on this franchise - and people want to glorify for it.

    You choose to want to glorify him - I say good for you.  But please do NOT tell me to grow up because I don't agree with you.

     

    He was a top 5 player in our franchise's history. That's how I judge it. You can scrutinize or obsess over every detail like a scorned girlfriend, but the facts are, he was elite and a great Jet. Everything else is just childish bullsh*t. Grow up.

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  3. 9 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

    Much better (sans the butthurt comment)

    Darrelle Revis will be and should be a first ballot hall of famer.  He chose to take an aggressive stance to make as much money as he possibly could - and that's fine - many players take this route and good for them.

    I do not begrudge him attempting to make the most money he can.  That is a decision for which I have no problem, but there are consequences to that action (like there are with every action)

    In his case - it's that he chose money over the fan base, over the team.  In the end he likely made $130mm over his career instead of a $120mm (guesses, but it's probably closer than that)

    He chose to take the mercenary route, many players do - and I have no problem with it.  But that also means he's not a Jet and doesn't belong in the Ring of Honor.  He's a great football, not a great Jet.

    Mangold surely could have made more money if he left in FA, Brick the same.   They made a choice to stay with the team and still made plenty of money.  Hence deserving of this honor that should be held for only the very special - that were great players but also chose to be great Jets.  

    That's simply not the choice Revis made.

     

    You gotta let that sh*t go. For the sport he plays, it's tough to begrudge him for it. How could he not be a great Jet because he tried to maximize his potential earnings? That's insane, and it's part of why I say grow up. It's childish and petty. It's taking away human agency and turning him into some type of play toy for your own amusement. He did nothing wrong. He didn't do anything criminal. You can't separate the sport from reality and the reality is most players don't have long careers. Getting mad at him for understanding that is absurd.

  4. 4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

    Plenty of guys who I think were better for longer. Revis is still only 36 and he’s been out since 2017.

    Doesn't matter what you think. How many were 4 time all pro? We can argue about what you think is a better type of career, but you can't argue that he was elite for a longer time than most CBs.

  5. 2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

    Very constructive addition.  

    He's a professional football player who did what he had to do to get paid the most amount of money. You root for a football team, and you're butthurt that he wasn't a loyal soldier (for that football team) who you'd quickly discard if he tore his ACL early in his career. Grow up.

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  6. 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

    Nice summary. Like when you actually dig in a bit his career is awfully short. He didn’t have that many great seasons. The great DB’s of the last 30 years or so had way more longevity.

    How many great DBs in the last 30 years had 4 All-Pro seasons? He was good/great/elite for a decade.

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  7. 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

    We can go back and forth with this forever.  So this is the last time I'll do with you but here's my position.

    Revis held out or threaten to hold out almost every year he was a Jet

    Revis's greed forced his way out on a trade

    Revis went on to win a super bowl with the Patriots.

    and all of that I would be okay with - but he then went on to steal the Jets' money for two years.  Signing a big contract and then deciding to be more of Matadore than a football player.  What he did those last two years should be absolutely disqualifying on its own - let alone everything that came prior. 

    I'll say it again, by putting Revis is ROH, Woody Johnson is showing a complete and utter lack of self respect.  

    Grow up

  8. 17 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

    Revis held out for 3 weeks of camp before signing his rookie deal.  He held out in 2010 for almost all of camp, missed all the preseason games and promptly got dinged when we are in the midst of a legit super bowl (failed) run.  Despite digging his heels in so hard on the rookie deal, he still held out long before it was up.  Before the 2012 season he made some noise that he wouldn't show to camp, but then did and blew out his ACL.  Going into 2013 he was in the last year of his deal and again making noise.  He was refusing a long term deal and ended up getting deal in Tampa in line with the largest in the league at any position.  He was a great player and I am fine with him being in the ring, but he held out twice (I guess only once was for a "new" contract) and was constantly squawking about his pay and making it an issue even when he was under contract.

    It's an unforgiving sport, and that torn ACL is exactly why he held out. 

    Some of ya'll act like these players are your play toys, and should take paycuts, and act like a good soldier. But as soon as they get hurt, or have a bad season, you're quick to discard them like they're trash. Revis did what he had to do, and I appreciate him for the elite level of play he bought to this team. He's a once in a generation type of player. He doesn't owe us anything else. I'm glad he's back and repping the Jets.

    Tf is wrong with some of ya'll, acting like we have had HOFers up the ass in the last 30 years. We can't get picky with who we "accept" lol

  9. Happy for him. He doesn't deserve all the sh*t he's taken when he was part of two of the best season's we've had in like a 20 year period. He wasn't the reason we lost those title games, either. Glad he's back.

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  10. 9 hours ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said:

    - Interesting take on Zach being expected to do more "advanced stuff" than the other rookie QBs. If the JETS play book is more intricate, ZW will have a better take on it this year and an even easier time with the advanced stuff. 

    I think this was the most interesting point. Zach was thrown into the wolves. He knows what he's dealing with and what he will deal with, while some QBs are surprised by year 2 and 3 and that's why they regress. Hopefully this strategy has him ready this year.

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  11. As much as I love our draft and I wouldn't do it over again, obviously, I miss all the buzz, news, rumors and sh*t before it. Other than fat Zach Wilson and our new players practicing, is there anything interesting at this point of the offseason?

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  12. 41 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

    If these other tams had these guys so highly rated, why didn't they pick them? 

    We hear a bunch of squawking that the Bills were ready to pick Hall in the first, but they traded up for Elam ahead of Hall and Johnson.  Obviously they had Elam rated higher, no?  Would Jets fans be peacocking around if we'd picked Elam? 

    Yes, we would. I'll peacock all day

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