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Tranquilo

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  1. 9 hours ago, Waka Flocka Flacco said:

    You guys are extraordinarily defensive about draft grades and you need to chill the f out because they're draft grades.

    No one is talking about draft grades. We are talking about what he said. Maybe you haven’t seen the video either? I can comment on that if I ******* feel like it. You don’t have to tell me I don’t have to agree. Instead, you can just mind your business if you’re not going to have a convo about it.

    Some people here think they’re the conversation police or some sh*t. 

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  2. 44 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

    I didn't watch this schmoe's video but I watched some of the others.  I find the whole thing a joke.  How can you rank players before they play?

    Johnson dropped because he interviewed poorly and teams had issues with his attitude.  Hall is a day 2 Rb.  plenty of performing rushers come from  later and likely will this season.  Wilson seems fairly clean but I don't know any of these WR ranked top 10.  

    They are outliers?  So what?  Plenty of people liked the Jets draft, myself included.  Did everyone have to?  Will we lose any games because our high draft grade wasn't unanimous ly A+?

    I can criticize him for his awful take and misunderstanding of the process. Are you his ******* wife? He’s wrong. The Jets traded up for better players and still came away with 7 players. They should not have drafted Malik Willis in the second round and I rather draft a player who will play than a DE that won’t see the field. Do I have to agree with him? 

  3. 25 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

     

    Once again.  They are grading the process.  He traded up and left us with less picks than he started with.   Not sure why that is a controversial take or why you'd want to argue against that simple fact 

    PFF likes the trade down.  as a process they find it superior. They probably liked moving down and ending up with Mims Morgan and Clark.  Was it the right move?  Obviously not but kind of tough to whine about.

    These dudes are the outliers at PFF. Mostly everyone else at PFF say the Jets had a good draft. They’re misunderstanding the process. Trading down is not the only thing that matters in the process. And in fact, if you watch the video, you’d see that he also had issue with who they picked. So more than just process. Anyway, like I said, they’re outliers. 

    https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-draft-grades#NYJ

     

  4. 7 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

    Again, not sure why this bothers anybody.  

    These PFF nerds are grading the process.   Can't grade the players yet, no matter how excited everybody is about how many "starters" we drafted.

    AVT didn't play as well as you all think but I am hopeful he will be a cornerstone.    They traded #23 (760 points) #66 (260) and #86 (160) for #14 (1100) and #143.(34.5).  AVT is a guard.  The fact that he can be a crappy tackle is not that big a deal.  He can play multiple positions?  How many positions could the guys we'd have drafted at 23, 66 and 86 have played?

    You trade up and you can't miss.  Hit your targets and you are fine.  I don't have a problem with trusting the scouting, especially with all the extra picks we had.  Still, as a process it isn't something you want to continually be doing.  That is what pff is saying and why you all hate Mike T.

    But, extra picks part provides more context. The Jets still made 10 picks in 2021 and 7 more picks this year. They’re not trading up and losing players in the process. This year they consolidated and made their picks in the top half of the draft. If they were trading up and coming away from the draft with like 4 players, I’d see that argument. 

  5. 2 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

    Doesnt surprise me that he admitted that. 😂 I listen every now and then to the PFF Forecast podcast and I’m like - do these guys even watch football? They love betting more than anything.

    There are really 3 areas of PFF. Guys like Mike Renner do less analytics and more actual scouting. George and Eric are basically trying to figure out what are the best bets to make (ie looking at spreads etc). Then you have a guy like Steve Palazzolo who has a more generic role. Steve thought the Breece Hall pick was fine. “PFF” gave us an A- grade for our draft. That’s likely heavily influenced by Mike Renner. George is probably kicking rocks somewhere.

    Ian Hartitz is cool.

    Think this is the only tweet he's had on this, other than fantasy related stuff:
     

     

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  6. 1 minute ago, slats said:

    How was the total value lost possibly a fourth round pick when he traded two third round picks to move up?!? 
     
    He’s inexpensive as a rookie, but really not so much for an average starting guard. And that goes out the window if he plays well. As a first round pick, he’ll be looking at Scherff money with his next deal. Jets can fifth year option him then tag him, and that gets pricey, too. It’s a low value position that they paid, and will pay, a lot for. 
     
    Cool, lots of OL play multiple spots on the line. 
     
    I don’t have a major issue with it, he’s a Jet now and I’ll root for him. But I said it at the time the Jets drafted him that I didn’t like the trade, and that he’ll be difficult to sign to a second contract. That hasn’t changed. 

    Because we got a pick back. Someone posted the value chart a few pages ago.

    If he's really good next year, his next deal won't come for a while anyway. 

    Not many of them can play tackle well, too.

    If you don't have a major issue with it, you're just being difficult for no reason. Just cause you said it at the time, doesn't mean you have to die on this hill. If he's difficult to sign a second contract, we can replace him. In the meantime, we have 5 cheaper years with him than an old ass out of prime Scherff. 

  7. 1 minute ago, slats said:

    I don’t want to harp on it, because I’m perfectly content as long as it works out (and it seems to be). But taking a guard in the top half of the first round is already a poor value decision, trading two third round picks to get there in the first place makes it significantly worse. It’s in the same vein as trading up for a RB in the second, it’s all to help the young QB, but the RB is much more help for much less. Especially if Hall is the stud his tape and testing suggest he will be. Starting caliber guards can be had in free agency. We got a good one this year. 

    AVG has a few things going for him that those free agent available guards don't (and added context, we tried signing a few last year, and they all went for big money)

    1. Young
    2. Doesn't cost a lot
    3. Plays multiple positions.

    The total value lost was around a 4th round pick. I think it's worth it.

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  8. 42 minutes ago, slats said:

    Jet fans love their OL, and they love AVT, but that was not a good trade. I’m okay with anything that turns okay in the end but, he’s right, that was bad process there. 

    I disagree. These trades don't happen in a vacuum. There's too much context that's missing in this analysis. And he's also being intentionally vague about what the value of the pick really was (wasn't 5-10, more like 10-13).

    Agree to disagree.

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  9. 7 minutes ago, ryu79 said:

    Fathom how obnoxious this dude is: he openly explains his issue with the draft isn't what we did but rather the things we said we considered but ultimately didn't do...

    So he is down on the Jets draft because of impulses the org had the discipline to reign in and ultimately achieve later on with better value. 

    That's completely arbitrary and non data based for a guy leading his click bait with a scatter plot that ultimately has nothing to do with his line of criticism. 

    It’s absurd. 

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