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  1. On 10/19/2020 at 12:08 PM, Fantasy Island said:

    Douglas is Idzik 2.0, Gaze will be here as long as Bozo Joe is.  Because any sane owner would have fired Gaze this morning.

    Gase is being fired right after the season ends. I keep saying the next day. It will probably be announced that night.

  2. Marty Lyons called in to JetNation Radio to discuss his new book, the foundation and the NY Jets. You can listen to the interview and please check out the excerpt below.



    Excerpt from Chapter 3 of If These Walls Could Talk: New York Jets by Marty Lyons and Lou Sahadi

    Permission statement:

    This excerpt from If These Walls Could Talk: New York Jets by Marty Lyons and Lou Sahadi is reprinted with the permission of Triumph Books.  For more information and to order a copy, please visit Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Bookshop.org, or www.triumphbooks.com/WallsJets.


    Chapter 3 – My Rookie Season in the NFL


    Back in 1979 there was no combine for the players to attend. You

    worked out on your own, and if an NFL team had interest in you,

    the team would fly you in for a private workout and physical. I stayed

    around the campus of the University Alabama and worked out with

    Barry Krauss, Rich Wingo, and Tony Nathan. We had a routine of running

    in the morning and lifting weights in the afternoon. I went for

    physicals with the Jets, Cleveland Browns, Buffalo Bills, and the Tampa

    Bay Buccaneers. I actually thought my best chance of being drafted was

    with the Browns. Looking back, those days of working out with Krauss

    and Wingo were unbelievable, intense, and competitive. Between the

    three of us, no one wanted to come in last.


    Out of all the players drafted into the NFL out of Alabama in 1979,

    Wingo had the most productive year. With the Green Bay Packers, he

    was named NFC Defensive Rookie of the Year. His career would be cut

    short because of injuries, but he found a bigger calling when he turned

    his life over to Jesus Christ. He was a wild man in college just like the

    rest of us. But when he became a reborn Christian, he became a mentor

    to me. While I was still finding my way through life, Wingo had found

    his platform and purpose. Throughout my life I have been blessed with

    good friends, and none are more important than Wingo.


    The draft wasn’t covered like it is today with all the ESPN coverage

    and whatever. My oldest brother, Jim, actually called me to tell me I was

    drafted by the Jets before the Jets did. I called my parents and my high

    school coach, George O’Brien, and jumped a plane to New York filled

    with excitement but also filled with anxiety, not knowing what to expect.

    Being a first-round draft choice, expectations were going to be very high

    from both the Jets’ side and also from my side.


    The first day of rookie minicamp was pretty typical with physicals,

    testing, and photos. I remember the Jets wanted a picture with

    the rookie class, and then they wanted a separate picture with myself;

    Mark Gastineau, the Jets’ second-round pick; and the head coach, Walt

    Michaels, with Walt in the middle. He looked at Gastineau and myself

    and said, “The name of the game is get to the quarterback.”


    That was the entire conversation. There was no “welcome to the New

    York Jets.” Just get to the quarterback. Coach Michaels was old school.

    He was all business and not a lot of talk. That’s what the NFL was all

    about. It’s a job. You get paid to play football. Training camp was tough.

    All the rookies, free agents, and some of the returning first-year players

    reported about two weeks before the veterans. Practices were long and

    demanding. The Jets were changing their defense from a 3-4 to a 4-3,

    meaning they were adding a defensive lineman up front. I was expected

    to start right away. Playing defensive end was a challenge. I really didn’t

    have the speed to turn the corner and get constant pressure on the quarterback.

    The one thing I learned in college, however, was technique. But

    technique would only carry you so far in the NFL.


    The real highlight of the rookie camp was Gastineau, the second-

    round draft pick out of East Central Oklahoma. He had the speed

    to get to quarterback and would get the crowd going by doing a sack

    dance afterward. He was exciting, but camp took a twist when the veterans

    reported to practice a few days later. Guys like Greg Buttle and Joe

    Klecko were going to be on the practice field. Hell, both of them would

    be in the defensive huddle, telling us what to do. I was very fortunate that

    Richard Todd was the Jets’ starting quarterback in 1979, and we were

    teammates at Alabama. When Todd was a senior, I was a freshman. So

    he took me under his wing and showed me the Big Apple. Surprisingly,

    the other two quarterbacks the Jets had were also from the SEC. Matt

    Robinson went to Georgia, and Pat Ryan went to Tennessee.


    Everyone believed in having a routine. Rookies lifted first and got

    treatment second. Rookies got in line to get taped for practice. Veterans

    didn’t have to wait; they just cut the line. I couldn’t really complain about

    guys cutting the tape line. I just had to outthink the veterans. So after

    the first morning practice, I would get iced down, take a shower, and get

    taped before I went to lunch. It made it even easier for me to take a nap

    and come over a little later for the afternoon practice.


    One of the first veterans I met was Klecko. He was nothing but a

    big hunk of muscle. He stopped me as I was leaving the weight room

    and asked me where I was going. I told him I was going home. He asked

    me if I lifted, and I replied yes. Then he told me that I needed to get

    stronger to play in the NFL, and I couldn’t leave the complex until he

    did. I replied okay and started to walk off when I heard Klecko bark out,

    “Where are you going? Didn’t you hear me?”


    The bark was pretty loud, and I knew I didn’t want to feel the bite

    so I went back in the locker room, changed, and went back in the weight

    room. That day created a friendship that has lasted more than 40 years.

    Back in the ’70s and ’80s, veterans didn’t talk with rookies much. It was all

    about loyalty. There was a good chance that one of their friends, another

    veteran player, would be cut if draft choices made the team. Klecko was

    respected by every player on the team. And that 1979 team had a bunch

    of leaders on it. On the defensive side of the ball, we had guys like Buttle

    and Abdul Salaam. They gave the pregame speeches, and those speeches

    were classic. On the offensive side of the ball, there was Todd, Clark

    Gaines, Marvin Powell, and the old timer, Randy Rassmussen. He was

    the only player left from Super Bowl III when the Jets beat the Baltimore

    Colts. Rassmussen taped his hands up and held you even in a walkthrough

    practice when you weren’t even in pads.


    One of the smartest guys on the defense was Buttle. He knew the

    entire defense. He knew where everyone was supposed to line up and

    what everyone’s responsibility was. Buttle was an All-American in college

    from Penn State, and his knowledge showed. If you don’t believe

    me, ask Buttle himself.


    During training camp the veterans had a tradition where they took

    the first-round pick out for drinks and then stuck them with the tab.

    There were several bars across the street from our training facility: Bill’s

    Meadowbrook, the Salty Dog, and, of course, Buttle’s. That one was

    owned and operated by Buttle, our starting linebacker. He was very generous

    at his bar. We ate and drank for free as long as we tipped the bartenders

    and waitresses. About seven of us also went to the Salty Dog for

    beers, shots, and a lot of laughs. I guess the veterans got the final laugh.

    When I excused myself to use the restroom, I returned to the bar, and

    everyone was gone. The bartender laughed and gave me the tab. He said,

    “The guys said, ‘You were buying today.’” The bill was a couple hundred

    dollars. I paid it, didn’t complain, never said “thanks, guys,” and just

    moved on.


    In the years to follow, I was in the middle of some of those future

    first rounders picking up the tab. Some, if not all, were a lot more than

    what I paid.


    My rookie season roommate was kicker Chuck Ramsey. He was a

    great guy, but to this day, he probably still has his first Holy Communion

    money. I remember we went out for breakfast one morning, and the bill

    was like $23. “It’s $15 a piece, which would leave the waitress a $7 tip,”

    I told him.


    Then he started up. “Wait a minute,” Ramsey said. “You had three

    eggs; I only had two. You had orange juice. I didn’t, and you had English

    Muffins, and I had toast.”


    Maybe he had a point. Maybe it was just another veteran trick for me

    to pick up the entire check, or maybe Ramsey was just cheap. I went with

    option two and three, though he was serious and convincing. I picked up

    the entire check, and that was the first and only time Ramsey and I ate



    After my rookie season, my next roommate was Kenny Schroy. To

    this day he is one of the most loyal friends anyone could ask for. The

    Jets went 8–8 my rookie season. We opened up at Shea Stadium against

    Cleveland. Early in the game, I was playing defensive end when the tight

    end came to my side. The No. 1 rule was not to get hooked by the tight

    end and to make sure to hold the edge. My old college teammate, Ozzie

    Newsome, was the tight end. I lined up in a wide nine position to hold

    the edge when Newsome looked up and said, “What’s up, homie?” I

    started to reply. Then the ball was snapped, Newsome hooked me, and

    the running back ran for about 15 yards around my side. Lesson learned:

    hellos are for after the game not during the game. Newsome is in both

    the College Football and Pro Football Hall of Fame. He was a great

    football player, but he’s a better man.


    The next week we didn’t play any better, losing to the New England

    Patriots 56–3. Yes, this was the NFL, and this was the Jets at our worst.

    The score was 35–3 at halftime, and the fans in Foxboro were outright

    nasty. The front row of the stadium was so close to the bench that the

    fans seemed like they were right on top of us. They called our mothers,

    wives, and sisters by every name in the book. I couldn’t believe how creative

    they were. Some of the comments were outright funny. The more

    points New England scored, the louder they got. Buttle gave the best

    advice: “Don’t acknowledge them.”


    After the game the locker room was bitterly quiet. What was someone

    supposed to say? We sucked. It was a terrible game by all, including

    the coaches. Once we got back to the airport, the flight attendants were

    standing outside the plane handing out a plastic bag with two beers in

    it. Wow, this was an eye opener. Beer supplied by the NFL after a game?

    Nice! The cool thing about this was when you became a veteran player,

    the routine continued, and you sat in the same seat every week, and the

    flight attendant had your beer on ice. So the motto was created: “win or

    lose, you always had your booze.”


    Somewhere in the middle of season, we were playing a home game

    when a fight broke out. I reacted by getting into the scrum and grabbed

    Klecko from behind in a bear hug and pulled him out. After getting back

    to the huddle, Klecko looked at me and said, “If you ever do that again,

    I’ll kick your ass right here in front of everyone. You either fight with me

    or leave me the fuck alone.”


    This was game-changing moment for me. This wasn’t college football

    anymore. If you got into a fight on the football field at that level, Coach

    Bryant would help you pack your bags and send you home. Fighting

    wasn’t necessary in the NFL, but it was acceptable. Good ol’ Klecko. I

    had a teammate who was going to make me a better player, a teammate

    who would always have my back. It doesn’t get any better than that.

  3. 14 hours ago, Bless you....Thank you said:

    You guys penciling in Trevor Lawrence with the number 1 pick are insane!!  When was the last time the Jets didnt win meaningless games to screw up draft position.


    We will beat the Pats once and the Chargers. Sam wont be the qb to lead us to our first winless season. Things never work out that well for Jets

    It is definitely early for talk of the # 1 pick.

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  4. 54 minutes ago, jetophile said:

    I keep disabling it and it keeps re-enabling itself. I'm sure this has something to do with ad tracking and analytics, but it's a little creepy . . . ? I had to 'SIGN OUT' of at least 60 past sessions, yet they are still visible only no longer 'SIGNED IN' after repeatedly going through a long list to 'SIGN OUT' of all of them. I have Chrome as my browser, which I will be changing out for good in the near future, but WTF. I hate the whole "this is to make your experience easier" explanation/excuse slinging by Google as a general bandage, but it's still a little rapey. 

    So what's the transparent answer on this? Thanks. 



    Not sure, it is a feature in the software.

  5. 1 hour ago, Spoot-Face said:

    Only five teams have gone winless in the NFL, with only two of them going 0-16 (the '08 Lions and '17 Browns). This thread won't be about whether you want them to go 0-16 (full disclosure, I do), but rather how likely you think they could go 0-16, by looking ahead at the schedule ahead and trying to pinpoint which games could surprise and end up in the win column.



    Week 7 vs Bills

    Should be an easy loss for us. The only deciding factor I could see to us competing is how healthy we can get in a week. With a returning Darnold, Becton, and Mims (plus Perriman), our offense could see a bump in production. Say what you will about whether Darnold is better than Flacco, outside of the Colts game, the offense with Darnold + Becton did outperform the offense without them (17, 13, 28 points scored with and 0 and 10 points scored without.) Not to mention that Darnold has a knack for playing better after coming in after injury/benching.

    Still, this Bills team is a legit Super Bowl contender, with a strong defense, strong supporting cast on offense, plus this isn't the Josh Allen of last year. I don't think they're sweating this game. Fairly sure we lose.

    Week 8 @ Chiefs

    Yeah, what do you think? We could hire Sean Payton, trade for Bell back, trade for JuJu Smith-Schuster, get 100% healthy with even Mosley coming back, and we're still gonna lose this game. Handedly. I'm supremely confident we lose this game.

    Week 9 vs Patriots

    This game, surprisingly, is the first game where I'm starting to wonder if we could pull out a win, but this is 100% dependent on where the Patriots are at in the standings. You might think I'm crazy, but bear with me here. Now, I know it's kinda early for this, as a lot could happen with 11 weeks to go, but let's assume that the Bills win the division. As we're sitting now, the two wildcard spots would go to Baltimore (5-1) and Indy (4-2). The Patriots are sitting outside that at 2-3. Should they happen to lose their next two games (49ers and Bills), then they'll be at 2-5 heading into our game with their window for a wildcard spot closing. Keep in mind, they just lost to Denver. Belichick, while a devious, lying, cheating, repugnant, characteristically abrasive, and a probably morally bankrupt sack of sh*t, he is also a pretty smart guy. Almost evil genius level. I have no doubt that he sees the big picture, and if he sees the playoff window closing, I wouldn't put it past him to start thinking about draft order. Theirs and ours. No doubt he'd love to **** with our chances at the #1 pick.

    It's still kinda early to count them out of it, though, and if Bill is still in playoff mode, he absolutely destroys us, no matter who the QB is.

    Week 10 (Bye Week)

    Now, going 0-9 into the bye week would have me feeling pretty confident we're going 0-16 and getting the #1 pick, but what happens this week is absolutely crucial. Do the Johnsons finally pull the trigger and fire Adam Gase, thus galvanizing the players and giving them something to play for? This, in my opinion, would be a mistake, especially going into weeks 11 and 12 which are the last two truly winnable games left on our schedule.

    Week 11 @ Chargers

    Not having watched the Chargers this season, but going off their current 1-4 record, I may be sweating going into this game, especially if Adam Gase has already been fired. If he's still the head coach, I'd feel more confident about this being a loss. I have heard that their young QB Hebert looks pretty good though, and this Jets team has yet to meet a QB who couldn't beat them. And we are traveling, so that's a detriment/bonus. This game will look a lot clearer once we get closer, but I'm putting this one at 60/40 right now, in favor of a loss. Losing this game would, imo, be a strong indicator of how we'll perform not only in the next game, but for the rest of the season.

    Week 12 vs Dolphins

    A 0-10 record going into this game should all but portend another loss, but it's still the last remaining possibly winning game left. Much like the week 9 game against the Patriots, a strong factor in this game would be where the Dolphins are at. If fighting for a playoff spot, I could easily see Fitz dominating us en route to what I believe would be his first ever playoff game (still? lol) On the flip side, say they are out of it, or bad Fitz has finally reared his ugly beard, and they send Tua out there to play the rest of the season to build some confidence. This Jets team would probably be the perfect opponent for him to do so. And, doing so, in their case were they just drafted who they think is their guy, may be more beneficial than just losing out. Besides, they have Houston's first rounder, too. Again, about a 60/40 split in favor of us loosing.

    Week 13, 14, 15, 16

    At this point, an 0-11 record would all but guarantee a sweep in the next 4 games (vs Raiders, @ Seahawks, @ Rams, vs Browns). Our team is completely demoralized, and has nothing to play for. If we couldn't win Weeks 11 and 12, with or without Gase, I don't see these 4 games as possibly winnable.

    Week 17 @ Patriots

    Week 17; the final game against the Patriots. This is a wildcard game, much like the first against them, but by this point we will know if Bill Belichick has anything to play for, whether that be getting into the playoffs, or a higher, more favorable seed. If neither of those outcomes are in play, than I absolutely see Belichick pulling his starters and having his team come out flat against us to **** us out of Trevor Lawrence and the #1 pick. For this reason, I am -- and I never thought I'd say this -- rooting for the Patriots to be in playoff contention. I want Bill to want to win -- nay, I want him to need to win this game, because if he does, then this Jets team can't stop him, and a 0-16 record is in our hands. Rejoice, or vomit, the choice is yours!



    Possibly winnable games: Wk11 @ Chargers, Wk12 v Dolphins

    Wildcard games: Both Wk9 & Wk17 against Patriots, contingent on Belichick's motives

    For those who want to tank: rooting for Patriots and Dolphins to push for playoffs to give them a reason for beating us late in the season

    Hey did you write this? This is great.

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  6. 2 minutes ago, SAR I said:

    If you have inside scoop I defer to your knowledge.

    If not, I see this as a perfect storm and lucky timing where we've got an unpopular coach to do the dirty work and a two year period where season ticket holders aren't on the hook for a dime.  We can complain, but there's little risk to the Jets of a fan revolt.  In 2022 we come out of this shiny and new, young players we've drafted, franchise quarterback, maybe Gase maybe not.  But I don't see us firing him when there aren't going to be fans in MetLife next year whose feelings Christopher needs to account for.

    SAR I

    No, I definitely don't have an inside scoop. All I have is a television lol.

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  7. 3 hours ago, kmnj said:

    robby is leading the league in wr yards -that is right folks  and is tied for second in catches-but dont worry folks  our gm brought in Perriman to take over and boy has he shown how great he is--money well spent there-

    we went from a "one trick pony" to a no trick pony made of glass that has no hands




    Good for Robby, I didn't think he had it in him. He is so small I was concerned he wouldn't hold up. He worked hard, matured and is setting himself up for a nice pay day.

  8. I like how the reports always preface things with the Johnson. He's a good man.

    Guess what?

    I don't care. He's a terrible owner, or the brother of a terrible owner. That is great that he is a good way. Awesome for his charity.

    I do a lot of charity work, they don't discount my tickets or PSL bills. So none of this matters.

    They always put in he is a good man so they can stay in good graces.

    Stay on topic. Change is needed. The Johnsons need to stop being the one making football decisions. Until that happens nothing else matters.

  9. 25 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    Overpaying is a sign of a poor GM.

    Gettleman is a poor GM.

    I don't want Douglas to overspend, because that's a big reason we got in this mess in the first place.  It only leads to acquiring a bunch of mercenaries who mail it in the moment they get paid.

    @wilkerson96 I think he is talking about you.

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  10. 1 hour ago, Adoni Beast said:

    I really think people need to rewind and remember the negotiations Douglas had before he took the GM job.

    - He said no initially. Not interested. Why? He didn’t believe in Gase and knew the roster was horrendous. The initial offer was reported at a normal/reasonable 4 years.

    - He only accepted the 6 year deal. He knew going in Gase wasn’t his guy, but that Gase was just hired and would probably be there for a couple of years. 

    - This is Douglas cleansing the team of everything, old players, old contracts, and more importantly the coaching staff. 

    - I’m fairly certain JD didn’t expect us to go 0-16 and/or get the 1st pick after this season, but he sure as hell traded Jamal Adams for the ammo to possibly trade up for a once-in-a-decade generational QB prospect in case Sam was just meh or worse. 

    Joe Douglas learned from some of the best GMs, who had a heavy hand in all football matters. He’s going to build the team his way, on his timeline, from top to bottom - players and coaching.

    He wasn’t taking this job to try to win with what was already here. The only one he probably had hope for was Sam, and even him he seems to be lining up to draft his replacement. At least he has the balls to do what no one here since Mancini has done, rip it down and build it up how you want to.


    I agree with this, he wasn't trying to go 0 and 16 but he knew this wasn't a good team. He knew this wasn't a playoff team, otherwise you don't trade Jamal Adams.

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  11. 56 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    Laugh it up, I'm right most of the time, and happy to put my posting record against anyones in terms of accuracy or predictions.  

    You are at 86% which is good, very impressive. But that means there are posters that are more accurate.

    I didn't mean to chime in with this and tip my hand. But we are big into AI here so we have a bot compiling the stats much like mangers do in baseball. We just need to know your tendencies so we can tell the 3rd baseman where to play when you are typing lol.

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