Meddle
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What means you? What?
I like the depth at the skill positions in the draft. I'd rather use the cash to fill S or OLB or G versus WR, RB or QB.
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I don't think that's the choice. I don't think signing any veteran stops them from drafting a QB from the third round on. If they do it right, Simms will be in a death match for his job, too.
As soon as the best player on the board is a QB, I want them taking a QB. Geno's footwork is a mess, though he has promise if it can be cleaned up. I am not willing to count on that.
Personally, I would not sign any veterans. I want a depth chart full of young talent--all with a chance to be the solution.
Solve the QB problem. Use overwhelming force and make sure you get it done.
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Can we have an Alturrean Verner discussion in here, or should I create it's own thread?
I don't think he's the player we all have him made out to be. I'll try to find the article, but it shows he is best suited for off-man coverage, playing bail technique.
For his price-tag we can find a better suited DB for our defense. We need press guys. Sam Shields, Vontae Davis and Brandon Browner come to mind
How about Cro at a much lower number?
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The last triple option guy we drafted was Stephen Hill.
Pass
Big difference when it's a receiver. This kid can play. Hill was a huge projection and a project for sure. I would not give up on Hill just yet. Give him a second year in a decent offense. If he flops, then move on.
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Oh, and the OL is a solid place to spend as well.
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Ivory/McFadden can be a great duo with Powell as well.
McFadden is a feature RB.
Anyone who would say no to this is gay.
…. Or knows how to read an injury report.
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AKA: the free agency thread.
My targets, in order of lust:
1. Alterraun Verner
2. Geoff Schwartz
3. Louis Delmas
4. Jared Veldheer
5. TJ Ward
6. Garrett Graham
If they are going to spend, spending on the defense would seem like the way to go.
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Given the choice between this:
1. Vick
2. Geno
3. Simms
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1. Geno
2. Simms
3. Mettenberger/Garopollo/Carr
...you're infinitely better off long-term with the second option. Don't go chasing waterfalls, people.
Simms?
Simms!?
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You wore green so you could hide.
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Marion Grice, ASU
I like McKinnon's upside better. Is Grice totally healthy? Didn't do anything at the combine.
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Didn't we cut this dude last year? Oh wait, that was Tebow.
You actually see a similarity?
This kid will be a very good back. Just watch.
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What have the Italians ever won?
What have the Romans ever done for us?!
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This kid was a triple option QB at Georgia Southern, but he's got a serious future as a tailback in the NFL. I'd love to see the Jets steal him with a 4th rounder. He'd be their best RB eventually, IMO.
http://rotobahn.com/scouting-report-jerick-mckinnon-rb-georgia-southern/
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I guarantee you couldn't pick the back of your hand out of a lineup.
I have a picture of my hand in my wallet.
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"Dad, you should see him hit the beer bong. Dude is a god on campus. uh huh uh huh huhuhuhuhuhuhu uh hu."
So you place no value on being able to dominate a beer bong? Always be competing.
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Doesn't Vick have a serious turnover problem as of late? Isn't that the biggest concern with Geno?... I don't see us shelling out a fat contract to Vick.
A big fat contract would be a huge mistake. I assume we'd sign him to a one-year deal. Who out there is looking to give a multi-year deal to Vick?
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If that's what they want - we're hosed. Our defense is developing into a top 3 - it would be wise to build a consistently ok offense to go with it, not 45 points one week and zipsh*t the next.
Vick had some good moments with Mornhinweg's offense. I can see the upside, but I'd prefer to deal with the long term rather than clog the depth chart with older players like Vick. I don't want any of the available vets. Waste of roster space and money.
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I can't imagine Idzik going for it before Round Five, no matter how much Rex and his idiot scion bang the table for him.
Hey, Boyd in the 5th is not that bad. He's got some talent, but needs plenty of work.
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He'd be a decent bargain basement signing. He knows the offense like the back of his hand and he's a good 3rd down weapon. Must be cheap though and he'd be no lock to make the team.
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Vick gives you the lightning in a bottle factor. If that is what they want, then bringing him makes sense. Personally, I'd rather draft a few kids to compete with the kid we have. Make finding the long term solution at the position the top priority. Solve the longstanding QB problem and things can get better.
I'm not a big Geno fan, but he's got enough talent to keep developing him, but they can't make the same mistake they made with Sanchez. They must continue to develop the position. No Brunells. No Garrards. No sage without talent.
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Hey Meddle. Long time no speak! Hope all is well.
Very well, Max. I glad I found my way back over to this place.
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You need to be dead certain that they are that elite athlete, though. If they turn out to simply be an adequate starter, you're much better off with an adequate starter at WR or CB.
The position is changing. Traditional tight ends are tougher to value and have been risky propositions in the first, but if you are looking at players with Vernon Davis/Jimmy Graham skills, then using a first rounder makes sense. These are tight ends that can used anywhere in the formation.
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Alright. sh*ts and Giggles. Any clue when Gronk, Gonz, Reed and Troy were drafted?
HOF-bound Tony Gonzalez was drafted in 1997
HOF-bound Ed Reed was drafted in 2002
HOF-bound Troy Polamalu was drafted in 2003
Since them, the argument can be made that nobody of their "equal" had entered the league. To equate their play with that of TEs who weren't mentioned as first rounders until this year, or with safeties that may be the top of this class, but will still be available at 18, is ludicrous.
Notice I left Gronkowski out of the drafted list above? I did that for a reason.
Since Gonzalez entered the league, the Pats have drafted TEs, lots of them. Drafting the next Gronk (a second rounder btw) isn't as easy as you make it
1998: Rod Ruteledge
2000: Dave Stachelski
2001: Jabari Holloway
2001: Arther Love
2002: Daniel Graham
2004: Benjamin Watson
2005: Andy Stokes
2006: David Thomas
2006: Garrett Mills
2010: Aaron Hernandez
2010: Rob Gronkowski
Uh, yeah, you missed a few big producers, like Vernon Davis, Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Jimmy Graham and Antonio Gates. That's off the top of my head.
The guy's point was, as I understood it, that when you get a really good player at TE or S, it's not a waste of a first rounder. I agree with that. The TE position is an evolving one if you haven't noticed.
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Amazing what folks will get worked up over.
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Geno Smith is probably not the answer, so I would take Teddy or Johnny Football so fast it'd make your head spin.
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