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  1. You mean to say if you get Gronkowski, Gonzalez, Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu in the 1st round you'll pass...

    This.

     

    It's not that TE and S are not important, it's that there are fewer difference-makers at these positions.  If you get a crack at one, they are worth what the elite players are worth at the other positions, or at least they should be.  Having an elite versatile S right now is enormous for a defense.

  2. Maybe somebody moves up for Sammy, but the Jets have two third rounders and it's a deep draft for receivers.  It seems like a good time to hold on and get as many good players as you can.  The Jets do need an impact player on offense, but a QB is where they should be looking if they are considering moving up.  Get a QB that can really play.  That's how you level-jump the offense.  

     

    If you look at what the Jets will have in terms of picks, maybe a smaller move or a few smaller moves is more likely than a significant move up in the first round.  They could use a few later picks to move up in the second to land a particular QB or WR.  That would certainly make sense if the right player is slipping.  They could also look to move their 4th rounder up into the 3rd or something along those lines.  

     

    Teams like Detroit are already expressing a desire to add picks.  The Jets could have as many as 12 heading into the draft.  I'd be really surprised if we aren't involved in some kind of deal.

  3. No second round WR should ever expected to be in the same class as arguably the best WR prospect in draft history currently on a HOF pace. People were calling Thomas a bust after his first season, and he didn't exactly light the world on fire in his second. He was still better than Hill. 

    Demaryius blew his achilles.  Big factor in how long it took him to break out.

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    Ah, I stand corrected. So he only needs 73 more catches to match what McCoy did for Vick in the only season he ever completed over 60% of his passes.

    Is it really reasonable to hope for a combination of Vick's best season passing and best season rushing, combined, with the Jets -and all their amazing weapons- at the age of 34?

    I would submit that, no, it is not reasonable.

    And even if it were (but it's still not), bringing in a scumbag like Vick to produce less thru the air than Mark Sanchez has proven capable of just seems like a really, really bad idea.

     

    I don't like bringing in more vets at QB.  It's a waste of money given the Jets' situation.  That said, if i was going to bring one in, it'd be Vick, who Mornhinweg knows well.  That would be going for lightning in a bottle, but it does have some upside if Vick has a good year and stays healthy.  A risky bet to be sure.

     

    If I am the Jets, I am paying things forward as much as I can.  Keep opening the cap window as you build from within and develop talent.  That should allow you to keep the key players like Wilkerson and it should allow you to make the key moves you'll need to make when you get your team close.

     

    Don't leap back into salary cap hell just because you can.  Be patient.  Time the rebuild to dovetail with Brady's decline, which is coming soon.

  5. Don't go s***** off Indy just yet, gents.  

     

    They aren't PAYING Andrew Luck like a stud QB yet, so things look great.  Meanwhile, they traded their first rounder for a RB that will need to be paid around the same time as Luck, which was stupid.  They will have significant cap problems soon enough and they have issues onr their offensive line and some holes on the D too.  They need that cap space just to fill in those blanks.

     

    Indy still needs to be smart if they are going to win more than they have.  If they did not have Luck, they'd be a doormat.

  6. Maybe, or was that Vick just improvising with Jackson, Maclin and Celek? I like some of the shots he was taking last year until he lost complete faith in Stephen Hill. My thinking to take Cassell over Schaub is that Cassell has the stronger arm and we don't have an Andre Johnson to bail Schaub out.

    You don't get either one of them in my opinion.  Don't waste precious money on older QBs.  Add guys who you think can actually move the needle.  There are a lot of good QB prospects in this draft.  My goal would be to either add a stud early or to play the numbers game and add two with mid-to-late picks.

     

    No has-beens for a rebuilding team.  Give Mornhinweg as many talented prospects to work with as you can.

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    New one….

     

    http://rotobahn.com/scouting-report-odell-beckham-jr-wr-lsu/

     

    Scouting Report: Odell Beckham Jr., WR, LSU
     

    NFL ready

    By: Pete Davidson : February 08, 2014 9:46am

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    Odell Beckham Jr. is a player we really believe in. On paper, he’s not the best receiver in the 2014 class, but we’re leading with him just to underscore how good we think the former LSU Tiger is. He reminds us a lot of both Randall Cobb and Percy Harvin as a receiver and as an athlete.  While he’s not likely to play snaps at tailback as both Harvin and Cobb do at times, he is a very good open field runner and kick returner.  Though he’s had a few stretches where he dropped some passes, Beckham Jr. has perhaps the best hands we’ve seen since we scouted Michael Crabtree. He can make circus catches and the tough catches in traffic too.  We suspect he’ll be very consistent as a pro.

    He’s a quarterback’s dream because while he’s a reliable receiver, capable of making the tough yards and the big plays, he’s also a smart instinctive receiver, who knows how to work back to the quarterback when plays break down. Odell is going to be some QB’s security blanket in the near future.

    I hear some people questioning Beckham Jr.’s speed, but we see plenty of it on film. A poor combine could hurt his draft position a bit. Then again, if Beckham Jr. runs well, he could end up being drafted in or near the first round, which is where we have him rated now.  The other obvious knock on Beckham Jr. is his lack of prototypical size.  It's a factor and it's why receivers like Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans will almost assuredly be drafted in front of him.  Still, as currently listed, Beckham Jr. is big enough to make a big impact with his skill set.

    Odell showed nice growth as a collegian--getting better each year and peaking as a Junior in 2013. We see him as a receiver who can play right away at the next level, but also as a player who will continue to get better. You hear the term “play-maker” a lot. That’s what Beckham Jr. is. Here’s a breakdown of Odell’s attributes.

    • Hands - I’m starting here because this is his calling card in our view. We love the way this kid catches the football. He tracks the ball extremely well and has outstanding concentration. He had some problems with drops at times and often on easier balls, but we really like the way he catches the ball and we expect him to end up being very dependable as a pro.
    • Routes - He’s a solid route runner, but this is an area where he can get even better. This is a trend we see with LSU’s recent receivers for what it’s worth. Beckham shows excellent poise when plays break down and, as I mentioned, he knows how to work back to the quarterback.
    • Running ability - This is an important one, because Odell can make people miss and he’s got good tackle-breaking ability for a man his size. He is dangerous in the open field and makes high quality cuts. This is very apparent if you watch him in the return game, which is another area where he can help a team at the next level.
    • Defeating the jam - We see this as another key strength. Beckham Jr. is diverse in this area. He can use his outstanding quickness and agility against bigger defenders and he can use his strength and physicality against smaller ones. Playing press against this kid is a risky move. This will help him in terms of making the jump to the NFL.
    • Play making ability - Beckham has a knack for making big plays and he can do it by beating his man as well as making defenders miss after the catch and in the open field. He has excellent body control and concentration. As I already mentioned, he tracks the football very well. This all helps him in contested situations, where Beckham is effective despite being a shade under six feet tall. He plays bigger than he looks.
    • Flexibilty - He may be seen as a slot receiver by a lot of analysts, but his ability to beat the jam and his athleticism will allow to play both inside and outside, like Greg Jennings or Julian Edelman. As mentioned, Beckham can also help teams in the return game, so he can squeeze a lot out of a roster spot and make a wide range on contributions as a rookie.
    • Speed - We’ll have a better idea of just how fast Beckham Jr. is after we see him at the Combine, but we think he’s plenty fast enough for the next level and we expect him to run well under 4.50. He looks 4.45 or better on film, but that’s just a guess. The bottom line is that film doesn’t lie, especially for guys who plays in the SEC. This kid has excellent functional speed in pads with the rock in his hands.
    • Intangibles - Beckham Jr. has no negatives off the field. Both of his parents were standout athletes at LSU, with his father starting at tailback and his mother earning All-American honors as a sprinter. It seems sort of unfair from a genetic standpoint, and it could explain why Odell is such a confident athlete and why he competes so well. This kid is a coach’s dream too.

    Here’s a decent highlight reel of Beckham Jr. that has a little bit of everything.

    We’re as sold on Beckham Jr. as we were on Cobb and Harvin when they came out. Hopefully, Odell doesn’t get drafted by a team that will use him as a 4th receiver in his rookie year as Cobb did. Of course, Cobb did very well over the long haul because he gets to play with Aaron Rodgers.  Beckham Jr. would make a ton of sense for a team like New England if they lose Julian Edelman in free agency.

    We’ll hold off on proclaiming big redraft value for Beckham Jr. until we see where he’s going to be playing his games. We will almost certainly be recommending him as a long term option, but if he lands in a place where he should start right away, like Carolina or Washington, we’ll be really excited.  There's little doubt in our minds that this kid has a future as a fantasy asset.

    This scouting report will be updated after the Combine.

    e-mail: pete@rotobahn.com

  8. Completely agree.

    If the Jets, sitting at #18, have a list of 13 players they have rated well above the next tier, they should be looking to make the small move up to get one of those players they've tabbed as elite. If they can't make that move, and have a similar list of 13 players in their next tier, they should be looking to move down -add a pick- and still take a player from that group.

    Flexibility is definitely key.

    Exactly.  And, there's absolutely a stay-and-draft scenario too.  

     

    One thing that all the extra picks allow (I am assuming 5 extra …. a 3rd for Revis plus 4 relatively late comps), is a key move up here or there if you spot a slipping value.  

  9. And that's a big reason for him being gone.  The Jets cannot afford to blow off picks in order to move up for a specific player.  Look at the contributions of guys that Seattle got in the mid and late rounds.  Depth is the name of the game.  No more trading up -- just draft solidly in every round.   By the same token, I do not want to play games and trade down either, at least not in the top half of the draft.

     

    Not a good way to maximize value.  Strategically moving back or up when a good deal is there to be made is good business.  Just don't have a dolt like Tanny making the deals and picking the players.

     

    If you have a lot of guys on the board that you like at any point, then trading back can be a no-brainer.  You can get the same level of player and add selections in doing so.  Win-win.

     

    Any good philosophy on running a team has some flexibility built-in to take advantage of opportunities.  Seattle is both conservative and opportunistic.  They paid large for Harvin, for example, and gave up a premium pick.  They also draft well.

     

    We need to be all those things, not just conservative.

  10. That's the way I suspect he does business. He seems like more of a slow and steady wins the race kinda guy than one who'd trade multiple high picks for a huge question mark. If a guy he likes drops out of the top ten, maybe then I could see a move. I definitely do not see him trading anything remotely close to next year's #1 to move into the top three. No way.

     

    I hate dealing up, but QBs are the exception.  That assumes you have a real QB available.  Sanchez was fugazi.  These guys are not.  My problem is that I don't like Geno enough and I want a legit QB.  There are no vets with that kind of upside out there, so it's the draft.

     

    I agree with you on Idzik.  He's conservative, which is pretty much what I want.  I liked his approach last year for the most part.  They did some much needed austerity and played the comp pick game well.  They should have a lot of picks this year due to that and the Revis deal.

     

    My big concerns are that they did not make very good picks last year apart from the great one, and that we still have no solution at the most important position.

     

    I think Manziel would go nuts in Mornhinweg's offense, but since we both doubt Idzik would do make that move, I think the best we can hope for is that they use one of their natural picks on a QB.  Maybe they'd go for a modest trade up if a guy like Carr slipped into the teens--assuming they like Carr a lot.  He'd be an interesting QB in MM's offense.  That kid can make any throw imaginable.

     

    There are some other QBs that I like if they hold off until round two or later, like Garoppolo, Mettenberger (recent ACL surgery )and Fales.  There are also some solid guys to target late like Dustin Vaughn and Stephen Morris.  Hopefully they continue to address the position one way or another.  This is a very good year for receivers and quarterbacks.

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    Good to see you, man! Hope you're moving in. :)

    It's too easy to predict doom and gloom with the Jets every year. I prefer to buck history. I look forward to seeing what your would-be hero does this offseason.

    I'll try to be around when I can.  Do I even want to know who Shane wanted?  Matt Leinart?

  12. What? Its impossible to move to ahead of Cleveland in this draft or to move up to #1 with the firepower we have. We cant tarde our #1's this year a #1 next year and a #2 this year or next to get to where we want to be? You said you would do it to get a FRANCHISE QB, did you read the review that was written on Johnny Jet? They absolutely love the guy, both from a physical , and intangible fashion. You said you would do it for a franchise QB, well, here is one in every sense of the word. Just do it IDZIK.

     

    I said that I doubt Idzik has the stones.  That's a comment on the likelihood of it happening.  

     

    I'd love to move up for Manziel or Bridgewater and I'd give up next year's #1 and then some to do it.  Everything would look better with a legit QB.  I'm in.

  13. Health smealth.  It seems like all of our guys caught the injury bug last year.  He needs off-season work to refine his technique and to learn how to react; not get caught thinking on the job. 

    Sure.  But he's been an injury guy.  Hopefully he gets stronger in the offseason program.  I expect him to get better on the field, but he can't help from the sidelines and with no Revis and no Cro, we can't have Milliner out.

  14. The Jets need everything on offense. They need those score from anywhere on the field guys, and they need those extend the drive guys. They also need help on defense. This is why the Jets need to go BAP in the draft, especially in the early rounds. They need everything outside of maybe the DL.

    Agreed.  Draft the best players that you can use.  Rex scrambles well of defense, so there's no need to reach for a particular position.  Get players that will make a difference.

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