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  1. What the hell is this criteria that a HC has to "handle the media".

    Hey, it's all wins and losses, but there's little question that we saw a nervous coach up there at the podium. I think the fact that he NEEDED water shows the point I was trying to make.

    If the press was inconsequential, then why was he so nervous? He's a human being and human beings don't mix well with the NY media.

    Anyway, if he wins. it won't matter. Just win baby.

  2. This coming from a guy who's been hard on Martin for a couple seasons.

    Him showing up at the press conference today was a class move. All class.

    A HOF who knows he's pretty much coming to an end to show up and support a new coach who's only 34 years old pretty much confirms the type of person this guy is. Im sure it meant a lot to Mangini to have the confidence from a vet such as Curtis.

    Nice move Curt.

    Not exactly a poor move in terms of self preservation either.

  3. Didn't take barely one day before somebody broke out "Mangina". You must be very proud of yourself, Girlyfish. Such class!

    We had 4 years of a silver-tongued idiot.Did you learn anything from that, i.e., talking your head off doesn't necessarily translate into coaching brilliance? Mangini trips over a few words, and he sucks-very logical.If you're looking to be negative on the day Mangini's hired you're hopeless.

    I like him. I'm giving him a chance. And I'm hopeful.

    The proof will be in the play.

  4. The media hates Bellichick. They cannot stand that Parcells and Bellichick don't allow assistants to speak to the media at all. Parcells is so friendly with Fatcessa that he owns horses wtih him and vacations with him, and has been on his show about 4 times total. Shanahan literally reads the NFL guidlines and does no more. Joe Torre went from Clueless Joe to HoFer. And the reason all these guys get good press even thoguh they are often unpleasant to deal with is WINNING. And even guys in the media will tell you as much. Do that and everything else takes care of itself.

    And Mangini should get a 1 season honeymoon because the media darling shat the bed so completely. In fact, any coach spending 2 hours of a workday taling to the media as Edwards did isn't doing his job. If Mangini's big worry is spending his a good chunk of his day talking to Peter King, Cimini and Canizzaro, the Jets picked the wrong guy.

    There's no way this guy is going to spend that kind of time and that is good. It's just a question of composure and experience. It is new for him. Belly can hate the media all he wants, he is carrying a big stick.

    The NY media has turned on Larry Brown already to some extent and he's clearly rebuilding.

    Bradway even went to lengths to start the process of protecting Mangini if you listened to all his PC last week. He said, very clearly, that he will be taking a bigger role with the media. I think we know why now.

    You are right that it is ultimately about how well you coach, but in this city, the media is a burden and you can look at history for your proof.

    Mangini's knowledge and acumen is proven to a large extent. How he handles tough questions under hot lights is a complete unknown. I'm not saying that he should be a suck up. Just that he avoids the media pitfalls that have made life hard for tons of coaches in this town.

    I don't know how well this kid is with couching his comments and such. I have never heard him speak. he may turn this into a non-issue quickly. I am hopeful for that.

    This guy has been allowed to practice his craft and focus solely on coaching. He's got a lot more on his plate now. He may handle it all with ease. We'll see.

    BTW, I like a confident gruff coach too. But those guys have to win. You cannot tell the media that they are dumb, not in so many words, and then go out and lose.

    If he gets a year no matter what, then I tend to see your and Tex's point more. I've just seen it too many times and I have never heard so much as a sentence come out of this guy's mouth.

    If I am a Pats fan, I like that Belly hates the media and like Tuna, he bullies them. Still, why is that neither of them allows their assistants to talk? On some level they are acknowledging that it matters. It

  5. Couldn't agree more. A total nonissue. The least important aspect of NFL coaching. Do what Shanahan., Parcells and Bellichick do-the bare minimum ther NFL requires. Edwards often did nothing but curry the press's favor. And it meant nothing in the win column. If ther team makes progress, improves and wins, the press will report it. If he's reduced to spending 2 hours talking to the meida since he has to blame soembody else, we're in big trouble already.

    That makes sense. Just do what Tuna, Shanny and BB do. Yeah, you've got reason to act like guys who, in total have seven SB's. Yeah, the media will lap that up.

    A total non-issue? That is denial.

    Nothing matters more than the actual coaching and I said that, but to discount the NY media for a man who has NEVER dealt with any significant amount of media is folly.

    Hopefully he wins out of the gate and it does not matter.

  6. Meddle,

    First off, I have lived in the metro NY area for 6 years, so I know where you are coming from.

    The Jets had a media clown for a HC for the past 5 years and where did that get them?

    Mangini will be the real deal. If he has to sat F-You to the media, so be it.

    BTW, I absolutely respect your opinion, you need to post here more often.

    Belly had Cleveland and part of that was the town turning on him due to political stuff. Kosar/Vinny and the team moving.

    He's got a whole new job. I trust that he knows the football part. Now he must add being the man - the leader plus dealing with outside responsibilities like the press and NY is where you get the biggest helping of it.

    It's a lot for a young man. Hey, he must have some weaknesses, right? I'd say that if we see problems, they will be in these areas. The things that can only be learned by doing. Another example is that he'll have to cut guys. Stuff like that.

    I'm not saying that he's not ready for it, but a learning year is not out of the question. Belly's the best and he was not like a fish to water with this stuff. He had to learn and he also had a great mentor.

  7. What the hell is this criteria that a HC has to "handle the media".

    You guys had the best media buffoon in the entire NFL and how did that turn out with wins vs losses.?

    You know Mangini will take the BB approach with the media in NY. Let's see what happens.

    We have seven local sports sections plus all the other stuff. It never ends.

    Hey, if the kid wins right off the bat, then he can control the media. If he's losing, he'll be under more scrutiny. This town's media is vicious if it does not like you.

    Of course what really matters is coaching, but this is not some small market. It's why BB may have advised him to think differently about his first job.

    This kid has how much experience at the podium? And how much at the podium after losses? After losses where he is clearly being second guessed?

    It's always a problem in this city.

    I know I'm being dramatic, but I brought it up for a reason.

    I like the hire and wanted it. That said, this is not an ex-player who faced the press throughout his career. He's not an ex-head coach on any level except some Aussie team.

    Being a front man is a new thing for him. That being a new thing for a NY coach is something to keep an eye on. How much media time do BB's coaches get?

    This will be a big adjustment for him. No doubt about it.

  8. These are the Jets. Penny, Fiedler, Eakin. Book it.

    I am a big fan of Pennington, but I really hope you are wrong here.

    I feel fairly certain that he'll be back and that he'll be able to play, but no way can the Jets bank on that. At the bare minimum they must draft a QB for the future and they ought to find a better vet to back Pennington. There will be some guys who want to come here because they'll think they can play.

    I want Pennington back on the field but I also think they need to get some competition at the position.

    The idea that Pennington cannot play when healthy is a flat out fallacy.

  9. I am not giving up on the season, but at this point, you need to get time for guys like Miller. Besides, he could end up being a weapon that makes you more competitive.

    I agree with others that McCareins is a better option when we are backed up to our end zone.

  10. Take this how you will, but NO quarterback has looked comfortable facing Mumbles defenses... none.

    Manning has a cannon, yet, he can't get past the Pats. I don't remember much of the superbowl (was pretty boring) but the Eagles lost, so McNabb could not have looked too great... correct me if I am wrong.

    My point is for those who would say Penny does not look good against the Pats, that is fair. Just tell me a qb who DOES look good against the Pats. The list is short, and perhpas non-existent.

    Yes, and Mr. Brady never faces them. As I said before, that's a nice perk. Penny gets it twice a year at minimum.

  11. Meddle - That is what I said in my first post. Chad can hit the ocassional long pass. Trust me I know, two seconds after it happens someone posts about it. :roll: What I am saying, teams can scheme/alter their defenses to take away his strengths. So good teams with better players, whom coincidentally have had more success against Chad, will limit his success and all QBs in general.

    My point was not that he can get it deep and that almost any pro QB can. It's throwing the ball accurately and on time that gets it done. Arm strength is not best measured by deep balls. That's basic.

    As for schemes that will work. Yeah, crowding the middle of the field might be the best angle of approach, but it's been tried by most teams with limited success.

    What the Pats do goes well past that. Also, remember that Chad's incompletion at the end of the first game had a lot to do with circumstance and that combined with NE

  12. Listening to all the TV experts, Chad is generally regarded as having a weak arm, in comparison to the other QBs in the league. They are not saying he should be in HS QBing, but on the grand scale of NFL Qbs, his arm is weak relatively speaking. What Jets' fan have trouble grasping, this does not preclude him hittting an ocassional long pass.

    I have said the same thing that Matt did for the past two years. Good teams take his strength away (i.e. short to intermediate) and make him beat them deep. he has not shown any ability to do that consistently. Blame it on injuries or whatever floats your boat.

    Brady experoiemncied the same thing. Until Chad gets better, he will beat the average to worse teams and struggle against the Patriots and Pittsburgh's of the world. Plain and simple.

    Rubbish. If a mere tactic was all it took to throttle Penington, then all teams would use that tactic.

    The reason NE and Pitt have had success, is that they are indeed better defensive teams. On a percentage basis, Chad had as much trouble as everyone else.


  13. I think any QB in the league is in danger of injury if that happens, not just Chad.

    Exactly. Re-injury is a separate issue. Is he more susceptible to injury in that area? Maybe, though I gotta tell ya, after I finished rehabbing my shoulder, I was MORE protected than when I was healthy. Why? Because they worked my shoulder into tip top shape and built us mass.

    Hopefully Chad's rehab was top notch. I have to think it was.

    The joint gets repaired during the surgery, the rest is all rehab.

    So, he should be able to take the pounding within reason. However, Chad is certainly off of warranty at this point. There

  14. Wow, even Meddle has his green-colored glasses on this morning. :shock:

    Not at all. I have worries, but Chad's rehab is no longer on the list. The guy is looking better than before.

    Ask me about ABE or Law's foot or Robertson's knee or Barton.

    Plenty of things to cross off the list of worries, but one less is always nice.

    And to rip the Minny secondary is just silly.

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