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  1. agree but you can tell these quotes were more related to work ethic. You could smell the hints in the articles. In last presser Saleh expression changed whne mentioing Herndon name. Like I said I hope he catches on but Saleh wont tolerate a [player who doesnt go all out in week. I know there have been HOF players who suck during week and then explode on gameday but you need a coach to allow that and that a tricky thing for Saleh ot allow in his FIRST HC gig.
  2. agree, but with what we heard about how he wasnt really liked in locker room and had zero leadership traits and always displayed a ME attitude I think he and Saleh would have clashed of Adams would 'have found religion' I am glad he is gone as he can NOT cover a cold in coverage and it would have made Saleh job of getting folks to buy in with a TEAM attitude is Adams was griping about money. I am glad Saleh doesnt have a ThugTurd to worry about in his 1st HC camp
  3. maybe except Steelers one of smartest Front Offices around. They know exactly when to cut ties on vets going down, they get rid of guys who start to show ThugTurd potential and they smartly will keep a player maybe rated a % pt or 2 lower cause he on rookie deal and Vet has his rookie deal ending in a year or worse yet it has ended. The do this w/RBs all the time and the RBs dont always flourish when cut. I am interested to see how John Conner does in Zona. I have him in Fantasy and am praying (as HC has been saying) its a 50/50 split with Conner getting the goal line carries
  4. Twyman was selected by the Vikings in the sixth round of the 2021 NFL Draft and signed a four-year rookie contract in May. The Washington, D.C. native recorded 57 tackles, 11 sacks and earned a first-team All-ACC nomination during two seasons at Pitt. Twyman redshirted in 2017 and opted to sit out of the 2020 season amid the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. If he has no history of violence or arrests I believe him. DC isnt a great place to freelance stroll at night, unless with secure tour group etc. I remember going back 25 years and staying at best hotel right next to Mall and concierge said "dont go out at night unless we get a cab right here at hotel and come back to hotel via cab for restaurant".
  5. Ya, I am hoping this scheme gets him in all 3 downs. He implied in interview I saw that Cinncy O didnt cater to that but Saleh did gave his chance to play all 3 downs. We will see
  6. i forget schotty was OC. we may have same scenario we had with gase and manning. The decent to good QB play masking the dumbness of OC PLUS lets face it, Urban Meyer totally controls Offense, the gameplan, the calls etc of his teams. Schotty will be like Herm was in TB before we hired him. Herm was DB coach for Dungy and famous DC Monte Kiffen yet genius Jets made a HC of a NEVER been a HC oe even a coordinator in NFL or college baucause (as Jets said at time) quality of TB defense. LOL, Herm got coffee for Dungy and Monte. Schotty wont have much Offense input ingame , trust me. He will have 'prep work' for Urban during week do Urban only looks at a few hours of edited down film of what Schooty condensed form the 100 hours he watched LOL
  7. obviously early. Gee this is for fun, we all know camp and preseason and whole season will dictate the person who ends up a dud. I guess you want to wait till its obvious..this is for guessing with some rational thought I wont ask for for jets predicted record until after final 17th game
  8. agree w/mims,,, the good news with mims is we for once have a loaded position room with talent
  9. and that boggles me as this article was written nationally and distributed here BEFORE Gase ever coached one Jet game. I sent to several Jet beat writers via DM and talked to 1 or 2 about article at camp and they kind of gave me feeling they agreed and were ready for crap but knew they had to be optimistic so early in tenure. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2837130-stats-dont-lie-adam-gase-is-the-wrong-coach-for-sam-darnold-and-the-jets Stats Don't Lie: Adam Gase Is the Wrong Coach for Sam Darnold and the Jets MIKE TANIERMAY 23, 2019 Seth Wenig/Associated Press It's 3rd-and-10. Is your quarterback throwing a five-yard pass? And are you happy about it? If so, there's a chance you may be Adam Gase. Gase has been making a lot of news in recent weeks, but let's set aside the new Jets head coach's penchant for Shakespearean boardroom power plays or the passive-aggressive negging of Le'Veon Bell, which already appears to be underway. Gase's primary objective is to develop Sam Darnold into a Pro Bowl-caliber franchise quarterback. If he does that, no one will care about what happened this offseason. If he doesn't, being Mr. Congeniality to his co-workers won't save him in the long run. A deep dive into Gase's record in three seasons as the Dolphins head coach and offensive architect revealed he may not be the right coach to develop Darnold—or any young quarterback. The problem is easy to summarize: Gase's system threatens to choke out Darnold's potential by ordering him to throw too many too-short passes. Videos you might like Gaming the ratings It doesn't take a degree in mathematics to figure out just how mediocre the Dolphins offense was in three years under Gase. The Dolphins ranked 24th in the NFL in yards and 17th in points during their 2016 wild-card season. They then dipped to 25th in yards and 28th in points in 2017 (when Jay Cutler was coaxed out of the broadcast booth to replace the injured Ryan Tannehill) and 31st and 26th last year (when Brock Osweiler replaced the injured Tannehill for a handful of midseason games). But while the Dolphins' seasonwide offensive totals were generally bad, the individual passing results of Miami quarterbacks were usually acceptable. Tannehill ranked 12th in the NFL in passer rating (93.5) in 2016 and 20th (92.7) last year; Cutler ranked 23rd (80.8) in 2017. Those figures aren't great, but they don't point to passing efficiency as a major problem for Gase's offenses. Tannehill had a higher passer rating last year than Eli Manning, Marcus Mariota, Matthew Stafford, Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, Case Keenum and others; his rating was 15.1 points higher than Darnold's rating of 77.6. If you have read this far into a statistical article about Adam Gase, you don't need to be told passer rating is an outdated, poorly designed measure of quarterback performance. Tannehill drops all the way to 32nd in the NFL in 2018, between Lamar Jackson and Josh Rosen, when we switch to ESPN's QBR. Tannehill also drops to 32nd last year when we use Football Outsiders' DVOA, or defense-adjusted value over average. Even when Tannehill led the Dolphins to the playoffs in 2016, he ranked 25th in DVOA and 24th in QBR. The discrepancy between advanced metrics like DVOA and QBR and basic stats is telling. Something made the raw passing stats for Dolphins quarterbacks look half decent for the last three years, even when those quarterbacks were playing poorly and limiting the offense. That "something" was Gase's love of the short pass in long-yardage situations. 2nd-and-wrong, 3rd-and-wrong Let's use the Football Outsiders premium database to drill deeper into Gase's play-calling tendencies. Specifically, we'll focus on two very important game situations: 2nd-and-long and 3rd-and-long. "Long" means seven-plus yards in both situations: 2016: The Dolphins offense ranked 26th on 2nd-and-long and 14th on 3rd-and-long. 2017: The Dolphins offense ranked 32nd in 2nd-and-long and 26th on 3rd-and-long. 2018: The Dolphins offense ranked 31st on 2nd-and-long and 28th on 3rd-and-long. Three years, only one ranking (barely) above league average in long-yardage situations, the rest well below average and an overall downward trend. That's not a good look for Gase's situational play calling. If you were looking for a quarterback to complete a good percentage of his third-down throws without achieving the first-down payoff most teams desire, you couldn't have done much better in recent years than Ryan Tannehill.Darron Cummings/Associated Press/Associated Press Those rankings are based on Football Outsiders' DVOA metric, which assigns a weight to every single play executed in a given situation, based on how much (or little) the result of that play increases (or decreases) a team's chance of winning. One thing DVOA excels at is removing the fluff from raw statistics. The system rewards, say, two-yard runs on 3rd-and-1 but provides only tiny rewards for 10-yard passes on 3rd-and-15. Passer rating and final stat totals can be fooled by dump-offs that lead directly to punts, but DVOA cannot. That's an important point to keep in mind considering the somewhat rosy picture traditional numbers can paint. According to Pro Football Reference, Tannehill completed 36 of 55 passes on 2nd-and-long (65.5 percent) for 375 yards, three touchdowns and two interceptions in 2018. Superficially, those are solid numbers. On 3rd-and-long, he was 24-of-45 (53.3 percent) with 287 yards, 3 touchdowns and 3 interceptions: weak but not terrible in situations wherein leaguewide completion rates dip and interception rates increase. Cutler's raw numbers in 2017 long-yardage situations are slightly better than Tannehill's in 2018: a 69.7 percent completion rate (62-of-89) on 2nd-and-long and a 56.3 percent rate (36-of-64) on 3rd-and-long. Even Osweiler's long-yardage raw stats look good. Suspiciously good. Osweiler completed 63.6 percent (21-of-33) of his 2nd-and-long passes and a whopping 77.3 percent (17-of-22) of his 3rd-and-long passes last year. You may recall Osweiler played fairly well against the Bears and Lions before reverting back to stumblebum mode. But no, he didn't become Drew Brees on 3rd-and-long. Instead, Osweiler did what Cutler and Tannehill did in high-leverage situations in Gase's offense: He padded his stats with lots of failed completions. Failing forward The folks at Football Outsiders have been tracking "failed completions" for years. You can read the precise definition at the top of Bryan Knowles' article, but most fans know a failed completion when they see one: It's the two-yard pass in the flat on first down, the four-yarder on 2nd-and-10 and even the 14-yarder on 3rd-and-15. Under Gase's watch, Dolphins quarterbacks threw lots and lots of failed completions: 29.5 percent of Tannehill's completions last year were failed completions, ranking him 32nd among qualifying quarterbacks. Failed completions accounted for 16.7 percent of his total pass attempts, which ranked 29th. 28.1 percent of Cutler's completions and 17.4 percent of his attempts in 2017 were failed completions. Both figures ranked 25th among eligible quarterbacks. 29.9 percent of Tannehill's completions (31st) and 20.2 percent of his attempts (31st) were failed completions during the Dolphins' triumphant wild-card season. Known for his big arm, Jay Cutler excelled at throwing passes that would help the Dolphins' passing stats but not contribute to their ability to win games.Chris Trotman/Getty Images For comparison's sake, successful quarterbacks usually throw failed completions on about 20-23 percent of completions and 10-15 percent of attempts. The bottom of the failed completion list is historically the hangout of notorious check-down artists like Manning and Flacco, caretaker veterans like Brian Hoyer and rookies in survival mode throwing screens on 3rd-and-20. (Darnold was not among those rookies last year; more on that in a moment.) Football Outsiders also keeps track of the distances of both complete and incomplete passes on all third downs. The following results include short- and medium-yardage situations as well as 3rd-and-long, so when Tannehill threw a screen or swing pass on 3rd-and-4—which happened several times last year—that's also in the data: Tannehill threw short of the first-down marker on 52.8 percent of all third-down attempts last year, ranking 35th. Cutler threw short of the sticks on 54.5 percent of third downs in 2017, ranking 37th. His average throw on 3rd-and-longs that year was 3.7 yards short of the first-down marker, which is remarkable when you try to visualize it (on 3rd-and-10, Cutler was going out of his way to throw six- or seven-yard passes). Tannehill ranked 17th by throwing 41.9 percent of his passes in front of the sticks in 2016, his good season. Three seasons of data doesn't lie. Gase's Dolphins were terrible in long-yardage situations, and short passes on 2nd-and-long and 3rd-and-long both contributed to the problem and masked it by making the raw passing stats look better. Indefensible dink-and-dunking Quarterbacks themselves have a lot to do with whether deep receivers or the guys running the shallow drags get targeted on any given pass, of course. But four different veteran quarterbacks (Tannehill, Cutler, Osweiler and Matt Moore) contributed to these numbers. And Gase himself frequently emphasizes and defends his dink-and-dunk philosophy. Here he is justifying his love of the short pass in 2016, August and November, for example. Gase pointed out in 2016 that short passes lower sack totals, which is typically true. But Dolphins quarterbacks were sacked 13 times in 2nd-and-long situations last year. When defenses know what's coming and don't have to respect the downfield threat, it's easier for them to get to the quarterback. Gase has also noted, accurately, that the NFL gets more short pass-oriented every year. But Gase's teams have now been on the extreme, counterproductive vanguard of that trend for three seasons, producing below-average results. That could pose a huge problem for Darnold, whose encouraging rookie season was based partly on not doing the things Tannehill and Cutler did. Darnold threw failed completions on only 21.8 percent of his completions (ninth in the NFL) and 11.7 percent of his attempts (a remarkable fourth). Uniquely among rookie quarterbacks, Darnold took his share of downfield shots last season, and they were starting to pay off. The Jets finished just 30th in DVOA on 2nd-and-long (still better than Gase's Dolphins, despite fewer weapons and reps split between the rookie Darnold and undead zombie Josh McCown) but a respectable 15th on 3rd-and-long. A four-year study by Nate Weller of Sports Info Solutions proved rather conclusively that it's better to throw past the sticks on third down than dump the ball off: The slightly increased turnover risk on a downfield shot is more than offset by the potential reward. The Jets finally found a young quarterback who is both willing and able to be aggressive in long-yardage situations. But they have yoked him to a head coach who doesn't even want to take deep shots on second downs. Sam Darnold showed signs as a rookie that he was willing, and able, to throw deep, but with Adam Gase as his coach, history says he may not get the same green light this season.Charles Krupa/Associated Press By replacing a few big plays with lots of ineffective screens and drag routes, Gase could turn Darnold into an ineffective quarterback with decent-looking numbers—Tannehill, in other words. Worst Gase scenario (sorry) Before we wrap up, we should address some extenuating circumstances in Gase's favor to satisfy desperate Jets hopefuls, statistical sticklers and perhaps any Peyton Manning burner accounts. Gase's Dolphins had injury issues. The Dolphins ranked 30th in offensive adjusted games lost last year; Tannehill, receiver Albert Wilson, guard Josh Sitton and others missed significant time in 2018. Cutler himself was an injury replacement in 2017, and numerous starting linemen missed time that year. Tannehill and Cutler aren't exactly Steve Young and Joe Montana, and both tended to check down and rely too much on short passes before they worked with Gase. Tannehill cracked the all-time failed completion list in 2015, the year before Gase became the Dolphins head coach. Cutler made the same list in 2014, one season before Gase became his offensive coordinator for the Bears. The caveats come with a built-in worry: If Gase downshifts his offense into check-down mode at the slightest excuse—some guys are hurt, the quarterback isn't phenomenal—then he's more likely than ever to roll out the shallow crosses on second-and-15 for a team with a second-year passer, a weak offensive line and a thin skill-position corps. The numbers indicate Gase's offenses look great when Peyton Manning is in the huddle (as he was in 2013 and 2014) but weak-to-terrible given ordinary talent and somewhat typical NFL adversity. The same could be said of you or me, and no one is offering us complete control over Darnold's future. The best-case scenario for Darnold would be to develop into a daring downfield passer who makes the most of every completion. That's the exact opposite of a Gase quarterback. Which is why Gase looks like the wrong guy for the job. Mike Tanier covers the NFL for Bleacher Report. Follow him on Twitter: @MikeTanier.
  10. Tough call. Easy to pick a top chosen rookie QB if he doesnt really play well, but I am leaning into picking more a player we have high hopes for in new scheme or a proven consistent Vet that mat reach top of rollercoaster and start slide down talent wise. I am going to pick a guy I originally was very high on in new scheme and based on last few games of 2020. I hate gearing 'uhoh' quotes about Herndon. I been around long enough to know when beat writers are doing coaches a favor in getting word out a Vet may be in trouble. Sadly, it appears (he always has been know for average practice performances) Herndon's style isnt meshing with Saleh and unless he starts to practice like every day is Super Bowl he may end up cut or traded for 7th Rd pick to a team that loses a TE in camp. Cashman may be in trouble also. Appears he doesnt fit this hybrid OLB mold (which I LOVE) that Saleh wants to utilize. Your choices for Jet Hashmark of Year (cant be turd as this based on talent , not being a bad person or doing something done)
  11. He like personalized manscaping ... meatball subs allowed to be devoured whilst trimming
  12. Gase 1st year? Horrible. The offense was so damn vanilla you cpould see the defense lining up where ball was going because we fans knew where it was going also. He has zero personality and camp was sort of lifeless from players as I was there ON FIELD for a few days and like OP said there wasnt any urgency or excitemment
  13. TomShane will be signed as our Veteran backup
  14. seems a little slow and we doing OTAs..Come on, lets get some thick massive Gas in here.. All Gas All Post
  15. congrats to him and thanks for service. But doesnt change my post,,that silly to even think so..
  16. well said... douglas cant sign folks who basically already have deals in place before free agency hits.. If Jets start winning and saleh gains players coach rep, then douglas will get most any player he desires
  17. do you really think anyone here doesnt realize that Captain Obvious? Its a Message Board to talk about anything under the sun. We know in end he goes skiing and doesnt lose sleep but we can discuss whether we think he learned any managerial lessons...geeeesh... we better not talk about players anymore cause newsflash,,they care WAY LESS than the fans do after a loss
  18. there you go,, maybe in long term that will end up serving team very well
  19. ya,horrid shoes for that injury. as much as he makes he needs to hire a rickshaw
  20. Has he landed anywhere? College? I know he has a few years salary coming his way so no need to work. Some coaches get fired but game in blood and they take a job lower even if embarrasing but Gase a dickwad who probably cares more about perception than the game. I never got feeling he loved the XsOs that make NFL football a work of art anywhere near the level of many fans. I literally called 90% of his plays pre snap even to extent of what player, let alone the play call. I heard a radio guy say he was told by a NFL player that preparing for Jets had team in laughter in film room and not only was it predictable but the strategy was high school level if that. This probably why we will see some exJets have much better years than they did here,,aka 'The Tannehill Effect'
  21. JetNation lucky to have him. Hard worker, talented as hell and a nice guy. Mid Round pick that showed he was deserving of a 1st round pick. He vowed to make every NFL Message Board that passed on him to pay for it Remember, we expect a pre game video when Jets play in England this year. Can Eric get you a field pass, even if just a pre-game one?
  22. dont be surprised if last depth chart TE asked to either switch&fill that role or multi-task at both
  23. Glenn, what is holdup? Average to above average talent asking for stud salary OR is he just not that good? I would think if above average at only 30 years old, this kind of guy we looking for based on what need is,,vet, knows game, can fill in at seconds notice if Husky foot acts up
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