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  1. 20 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:


    All 3 of those QBs are better at this moment than Zach Wilson is.  But somehow posters want to find silly new reasons why we should NOT strengthen our QB room.

    Its madness.

    I don’t see them doing anything that resembles an open QB competition, but I do think they will be looking to have a solid plan B in place at the position. While maybe not “all in” on Zach, they’re definitely mostly in. Best case scenario for the Jets is Zach taking a major leap, and that’s the outcome that the entire organization will be working towards. 
     
    But they will need the ability to pull the plug if it’s not happening, just from the CYA perspective. Another losing/double-digit loss season will just be too much for this fan base. They’ll have to have a contingency plan to save their jobs if Wilson flounders next year, imo. 
     
    Saleh talking up Flacco, I just can’t imagine that that would be the answer. Mike White isn’t it, either. They need a QB they believe they can trust backing up Zach. 

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  2. 13 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

    Unquestionably a few bad drops in there, but also some pretty bad throws shown that are a bit much to be trying to celebrate Wilson for.

    Drops happen throughout the NFL and the Jets certainly weren't the worst in that regard, so unless anyone wants to go through and give the rest of the league's QBs extra credit for their drops too, let's not pretend like that does anything to change what actually happened.  Guys like Allen and Herbert actually had it worse, but seemed to somehow manage.

    Not the worst, but according to this link they were tied for fourth worst in the league in the category with 25. For rookie comparisons, the Jags also had 25, the Bears had 18, Denver 16, and the Cheats just 10 (second best in the league). Herbert did indeed have it the worst (33), but Allen didn’t (22). Poor Sam was victimized, too, with 28. 
     
    Jets need some guys who can catch. 
     
    http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

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  3. 35 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

    Draft a QB, but build the team first.

    Recently the Jets have brought in raw, rookie QB's to a team without any support.  Zach has come in with less than Sam and that's scary.  Robert "We're gonna lift you up" Saleh - such BS...

    With Sanchez they did it right, but Sanchez never evolved...

    What you saw with him was a QB came in with a competent team that helped carry him through his first couple of years and the team thrived.

    When it was time for Sanchez to start putting the team his back - year 4...He wasn't capable.  But the team around him made that transition relatively smooth.

    It's the reason why when I continue to hear the team doesn't matter - the talent doesn't matter - the weapons don't matter etc...it's all nonsense.  Of course, it all matters. 

    This is why I was in the trade down camp last year. With a depleted roster and rookies from the head coach on down, I didn’t think it would be the best environment to also try to start developing a rookie QB at the same time. But what could they do sitting there with the #2 pick and a QB they liked? Should they have run it back with Darnold? Brought in some low level starter/high end backup and do their installations? I guess, maybe, but then what was going to be their long term solution at the position?
     
    Serious case of: it is what it is. Zach had a rough rookie campaign, but comes back next year with a season under his belt to a team that should be significantly closer to complete. This was their plan. For it to work, Zach needs to take a giant step forward. 

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  4. 6 hours ago, NYJets43 said:

    I like Zach Wilson and wanted the Jets to draft him, but at this point I have my doubts that he’s going to be good enough to be considered a long-term solution. 

    Since 2009 the Jets have invested more draft capital in the QB position than any other team In the NFL by a wide-margin. 

    A big part of the reason the Jets haven’t made the playoffs going on a dozen years is because of all the time and resources wasted trying to find a star QB in the draft. 

    As an older Jets fan I am really getting sick of it. We’ve had two competent QB seasons since Brett Favre in 2008.

    2015: Ryan Fitzpatrick

    2017: Josh McCown

    Outside of those seasons every year we’ve been watching the worst QB in the NFL. 

    Beyond that I’m not buying what anyone is selling anymore. All we are going to hear about this off-season/training camp is that ZW is ready to take a big jump in year 2. Has anyone heard that story before? I’ll believe it when I see it. 
     

    At this point if Wilson fails I just want the Jets to grab a competent veteran and try to win that way. Organizations need to understand what they don’t do well. The Jets stink at drafting and developing QBs just like the Yankees stink at drafting and developing starting pitching. 

    If you’re not working out, should you maybe not come up with yet another screen name  for a while? 

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  5. 22 hours ago, Big_Slick said:

    Absolute BS. The GM is responsible for draft picks. Yes, wise GM's solicit input from the coaching staff but the final decision is the GM's *AND* they all know it. Becton, Mims and the rest are all Joe's. 

    JD doesn't get a pass for his 1st draft. GM's are judged by their win-loss record.

    The only way to truly forget/forgive the '20 draft is for Zack to turn into a top level QB and JD hits big time on this years FA/Trade/Draft.

    The GM is responsible, 100% true. But it’s not BS to say that the coaching staff had influence. One of the reasons Gase used to force Mac out was his unwillingness to listen to the coaches at all. JD picked players in partnership with Gase his first season, and with Saleh in his second. His second draft looks a lot better. Could be a lot of factors. Could be luck. What I hope it is is that the scouting department and Saleh’s coaching staff worked better together to identify players they could develop, and that the better drafting will continue this year as a result. 

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  6. 1 minute ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

    talk about moving the goal posts did you forget your comments? yawn

    Leon only came up because i said he was a better special teamer if not on the same level. You disagree saying Berrios had more TD's? But then I showed you he scored 8 TDs, and then 6 the year prior both of which you said he never had more than 4. The only other year he had the same amount 4. You just pulled a Jetfan and ignored it.

    Stop trying to twist it all around like you were right. You were wrong. that is why I linked the stats. It is ok to be wrong bud. You could still think the yards per return is more valuable than Leon scoring TD's as a return man and/or as a RB, I just disagree. I think TDs are significant.

    It not some slight at you just cause I disagree. Or don't like that our roster lacks talent most other teams have. grow up.

    This is bull****, lol. 
     
    Offensive TDs, LW had more than the four Berrios had this year once, on a much better team that scored many more TDs than the 2021 Jets managed. 
     
    Also, Berrios had five TDs this year; four on offense, one on specials. Don’t talk about being right. Glass houses and all. 

    The return game is all about field position. Sure I love the TDs, too, but it’s telling that Berrios averaged almost five yards more per return than Leon did in a year where Leon scored three. Berrios was clearly far more consistent as a returner. And I wish you’d stop having me disparage Leon, because I loved the guy. But Berrios has been better. 

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  7. 8 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

    How did I move? I still hate Berrios and look forward to when he is replaced as I said. I never heard back from you about Leon Washington when you ignored his TD's? Guess didn't fit your narrative.

    See above on how you moved. 
     
    I said that Leon had scored more offensive TDs exactly one time when I first mentioned him. Not sure why you need me to revisit that when you refuse to acknowledge that Berrios averaged more yards per kick and punt return this season alone than Washington ever did in his career. Probably why he’s a first team All Pro special teamer. 
     
    I don’t know what to tell you here. You picked a silly player to hate. There are very few NFL rosters he wouldn’t make. Special teams matter. A special teamer who doesn’t drop a pass on offense is pretty special. A WR who also contributes as a rusher is also valuable. I hope JD re-ups him for another five years. 

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  8. On 12/8/2021 at 5:29 PM, BornJetsFan1983 said:

    Some people want to extend this guys or other like him. He is a scrub player. Sorry no offense but he is not a playing ball anywhere else

     

    On 12/8/2021 at 5:29 PM, BornJetsFan1983 said:

    I can not wait till we no longer have these guys on the squad, they are god damn practice squad guys.

     

    On 12/8/2021 at 5:29 PM, BornJetsFan1983 said:

    Braxton should be gone. Rant over. Also i hate Berrios.

    Yeah, hard to tell where or when the goalposts were moved. 

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  9. 19 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

    Spotrac has his estimated worth at $5.9M per.  With today's 1st team All-Pro announcement that only went up, at least a little.

    I'd go as high as $7M per if necessary, but would be very happy with $6-6.5M.  

    What’s funny is that @BornJetsFan1983 has moved his initial, “I hate Braxton Berrios,” goalposts all the way to, “$5M/year would be okay.” As of today, $5M/year would make this alleged scrub the 10th highest paid player on the team and he’s perfectly fine with that. 

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  10. 4 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

    Nfl Draft Emoji GIF by SportsManias
    JD better nail the Edge and WR position in Rd. 1 & get Fatukasi to sign a fair deal to return next to Q. TE and LB round 2. 
     

    In an ideal world, I’d like to see Futukasi extended, but I suspect he’s going to hit the market and find offers out there more attractive than what the Jets might make. If the Jets are drafting an Edge high, the starting DL probably looks like: Lawson-QW-JFM-draft pick. How much will the Jets be willing to pay for their fifth OL? 

    38 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

    I think you're right.  He's a fit here - gets along and has some chemistry with Zach, good gadget guy (and is seems ML likes gadgety stuff) and is a very good fit as a back up to Moore - but I doubt it will take too much to keep him.  He should be paid as a top tier special teams guy and back up WR.

    Agreed on the Pats - but they drafted him and let him go, I just wonder if BB is the type of guy to easily admit his own mistake - and yes, with them out of the market - might not be big interest in Berrios.

     

    If the Jets make Berrios a fair offer, he’d be wise to stick here. He has a number of roles on this team, and would probably get more playing time/opportunities here than he could expect elsewhere. He’s already something of a star to the fan base, and could probably parlay that into local endorsement deals - if he was looking to make some easy side cash. 

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  11. 23 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

    I could be Romanticizing cause i always thought he could do more with more touches but but i think you might be not giving leon credit due. 8 TDs in 2008. 6 in 2007 and then 4 in 2006. Am i looking at different numbers that you ? I was looking at nfl.com?

    This certainly seems he statistically was better than Berrios I know he feels like he was more important that berrios on memory. He helped out in special teams more than Berrios and then also better as his postiion.  https://www.nfl.com/players/leon-washington/stats/career

    LEON STATS

    2006 4 Rushing 0 receiving 0 KR

    2007 3 Rushing 0 receiving 3 KR

    2008 6 Rushing 2 receiving 1 KR

    The one year he didn't get more TD's in 2007 he retuned 3 on KR? that is better than berrios no?

     

    For Berrios money. I would not want to give him any more than 3-5 mill...

     

     

     

    Like I said, he topped four offensive TDs exactly once. You’re trying to tell me he was significantly more productive on offense, but he wasn’t. In fact, you’re proving my (and others’) point, Berrios’ is right on par with Leon. Leon never matched Berrios’ 13.4 yards per punt return or 30.4 yards per KOR ever in his career, either, even in years where he scored 3 TDs. 
     
    I’d love for him to resign for less than $5M/year, but he’s going to get more than that either here or somewhere else. He’s dramatically better than you’re willing to give him credit for. 

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  12. 22 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

    I don't think it was accident, you don't have to exaggerate or take away from Berrios to simple recognize what he is. Leon was great as pecial teams and could put up points. HE also had a great yards per run making guys miss. In fact it was nuts cause every time he was given a bigger role he exceled. Berrios just simply doesn't have that skill set and lt be great when he is replaced with someone who does. 

    I like all the back tracking from you guys now, so now Berrios is only worth a fair contract and will probably get offered one just as Crowder was. A contact fair to his value.  He can get paid by another team if they want to over pay?? !!!

    Ok great well then you agree with me. it only took you a few pages to get their well done @slats

     

    You’re romanticizing Leon. I loved the guy, too, but his offensive production was not significantly better than Berrios’, and it should’ve been given what should’ve been his role as a third down back. Berrios scored four offensive TDs this season, Leon topped that exactly once in his entire career. 
     
    What do you think would be a fair number for JD and Berrios to agree on here? 

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  13. 10 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

    Also Leon washington was a great player for us and far better contributor that Berrios. Leon washington actually was a game changer at Special teams unlike Berrios and also in the game at his role was a contributor. Leon Washington was a good RB for us

    I know. When Berrios gets a big return, it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the rest of the team setting him up or the opposition falling down. He led the league in KOR average and finished third in punt return average by accident.
     
    Also, Leon had three really good years, then failed to match Berrios production on offense the last two years on offense after that. But yes, tell yourself what you need to. I don’t see anyone talking about genuinely big money for Berrios, but the guy is well worth a good contract and he will get one from the Jets or someone else. 

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  14. 5 hours ago, SoFlaJets said:

    Led Zeppelin released their debut album, oh yea, the Jets also won the Super Bowl, a game that I'm old enough to have watched live on TV and it's a day that I can still picture exactly what it felt like in Garwood NJ-it was COLD the kind of cold that freezes the snow and you crunch when you walk.  I remember that day like it happened last week. I was in the 8th grade and a big Jets fan, the Knicks also beat a Baltimore team for the NBA Eastern Conference Championship and that October the Mets beat the Orioles in the World Series.

    And my dad turned 41. 

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