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  1. 3 minutes ago, heymangold said:

    I bet if we didn’t have a career TE coach as the HC today, they probably would have won by a more comfortable margin. 

    He got a little too aggressive with those fourth down calls inside the five. He was fortunate that Zach bailed him out with that TD to the OT. 

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  2. 1 hour ago, Snell41 said:

    I’d like to preface this post with the fact that Zach is a nice boy, such a good boy!

    I’m sure you think this is cute, but really it’s just disrespectful to @Maxman . Please don’t do this. He opened a conversation about Wilson, because such conversation is welcome. 
     
    I’ll also have to check out what press conference you’re talking about. By all accounts, Zach’s allegedly a film junkie. Doesn’t sound right that he’d not be watching film. 

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  3. 6 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

    If they dont create an actual competition in camp with a real QB after what they've witnessed with Zach and more importantly, without Zach, I will go ahead and wave the white flag and declare this entire regime a bust and not give a single **** until everyone is gone.  I'll throw the first hundred down for the plane and banner.

    @The Crusher

    everyone GIF

    Yeah, sorry, but that’s what I expect. I hope they bring in the type of QB you’re talking about, but it will be Wilson’s job to (probably not) lose. He’ll almost certainly be the opening day starter, at least. 

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  4. 2 hours ago, JTJet said:

    1. Fant will not be hard balled. He is a JD guy and he has earned his next contract. This is something JD has preached extensively, rewarding the guys that actually deserve it.

    Definitely agree. Joe Douglas might be better served offering him an extension while he’s still under contract, with the staff possibly considering moving Becton to the right side. 
     
    Also don’t see any desperation moves from JD. Don’t see his job on the line. I do think that he will be active in free agency, but about as active as he was last year (which brought in a couple high-priced guys and a number of one-year deals). While the fans are jumping out of windows with their heads cut off, he’ll be staying the course. 

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  5. 23 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

    That said, there is absolutely no way you can go into next season with Zach as the unrivaled starter. They absolutely must sign or trade for a legitimate veteran QB who can go put a respectable season down for JD if Zach falters.  Whether it's signing Mariota, Winston, Bridgewater, Mitch, or trade for Minshew but they have to bring in someone still relatively young who gives Zach real competition.  JD cant have another last place in the division finish, losing 10+ games.  I do think everyone is fired if that happens and I think these guys have to know that they've tied their career to what has been all measures, a disaster. 

    Still, not ready to call him a bust. 

    It’s going to be interesting to see what they do at the backup QB spot. And I say backup, because that’s what that QB will be - not a player brought in to actually compete with Wilson. But I like your list. That’s the level of QB I’d be looking to bring in. Even without any true competition, the message will be clear: we’ve brought in a QB to play if you don’t show significant improvement. I don’t think they’ll have too a quick a hook for Zach, but they won’t let him get them fired, either. 
     
    I don’t know what gets them fired, either. I’m also thinking they need to avoid the 10+ losses next season. That 7-9-1 might be fine, but 6-11 might not be enough. It’s also possible that they’re here to open 2023 unless there’s just a complete meltdown. If I’m not mistaken, they’ll still have three years guaranteed left at the end of next season. I don’t see the Johnsons as very excited to pay that out. They probably have a longer leash than most fans would like. Hopefully Zach makes the jump to a mid-range QB next season, making this whole conversation moot. Benching Zach and winning with his replacement also keeps their jobs, if not Zach’s, and I think they’ll have to be ready to do that. Sam Darnold’s failure has the fans extremely impatient with Zach -fairly or not- and I suspect everyone in the building knows it. 
     
    For the Mike White fans, I’ll be a little surprised if he’s in the mix. They won’t tender him above the right of first refusal, if they tender him at all, and I have to hope/believe that they want a higher caliber QB on the roster. 

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  6. 18 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

    Seeing the Jets stick with Douglas in 2022 is very stubborn of ownership. It's similar to the doubling down Seattle has done when signing their GM to an extension after the Jamal Adams trade. The aggressive move would be to get the mistakes out the building à la the Arizona Cardinals. The cheaper move would be to stay the course.

    The Cards still employ the GM who drafted Josh Rosen. 

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  7. 16 hours ago, johnnysd said:

    Not how I would approach the draft. I can see taking one of the EDGE guys if he is BAP at like 2 or 3 but we have far greater needs than EDGE, and I would still prioritize top picks for offense. We have a ton of picks we can shore up the line, S, and especially LB. Zero chance I take a safety super high. Absolutely none. The only way you get value from a safety that high is if he turns out to be Ed Reed 2.0 and that is like super unlikely.

    Really don’t think there’s an offensive guy worthy of a top five pick, or one that would be a better value or fill a bigger need than an Edge. This defense needs edge rushers to operate, the Jets have none until Carl Lawson proves otherwise. And I don’t think the Jets can afford to count on that in 2022. 

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  8. 15 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

    Actually the Jets are averaging only 15.1 points per season with Zach, which is really all that matters and that's lower than last years league worst, historically bad offence when you'd assume there's nowhere to go but up.

    They scored 6 and 0 in Zach’s second and third starts. Since then (not counting the NE game that he got knocked out early), they’ve averaged 19.8 ppg with Zach in the lineup, or almost two more than the team as a whole. 
     
    Statistically, nothing brilliant is happening (except maybe the major reduction in interceptions), but he’s looking better as of late. Making better decisions, a little better accuracy, etc. Baby steps, for sure, and I’d’ve liked to’ve seen more, but there is improvement taking place. 

  9. 18 hours ago, kmnj said:

    thanks for your replies. I was just curious-what (i have noticed in general which is why I asked the question )is that the folks that  pony up the cash for the season tickets or did for many years are the ones that are most critical and negative and not willing to have patience or wait it out or be optimistic because we have seen this movie play out many  times-

    Some of the most vocally impatient fans here are not now, nor have ever been, Jets’ season ticket holders. I preach patience purely to assist my fellow Jet fans with their general mental health. Joe Douglas, Robert Saleh, and Zach Wilson are all returning next year as the GM, HC, and starting QB, respectively, whether you or anyone else has patience or not. I’d rather live in that reality than in the fire everyone they suck mentality that’s simply not going to happen. I’d rather discuss what needs to improve in a constructive way rather than just bitch and moan. But that’s me. Everyone else is free to look at it how they wish, but praying for these guys to be fired or Zach to be replaced seems awfully, painfully futile to me. 

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  10. 1 minute ago, Biggs said:

    He was blackballed for outing BB.   When the league burnt the tapes the message was sent that BB and Kraft were untouchable.  BB hates him and his former staffers are all over the league.  The Commissioner is practically Krafts sock puppet.   

    Straight up, IMHO, that’s bull****. If the guy was as good as this weird minority of Jet fans believe, there’d be an owner excited to invest. The truth is that he’s toxic. No one wants him because whatever he brings to the table isn’t worth the chaos. 

  11. 15 minutes ago, Biggs said:

    Drafted 4 corner stone players in his first 2 years.  Lost his starting QB after 8 games in year 2.  Had the team in position for a first round bye in year 3 before Favre blew out his arm. 

    D Brick, Mangold, Revis and Harris along with a few other nice draft picks in 3 years.  Based on the NY Jets that's top notch.   There are plenty of guys who did less who get recyled around the NFL.   He had the bad fortune of ratting out BB and Kraft, NFL royalty.  They burnt the tapes and the guys out of the league.   Mangini did a nice job here.  Not great but on a comparative basis better than average.  

    Bringing up Gholston is fair.  He also drafted Revis.  Greatest player in Jets history.  

    Why has no NFL team invested in the genius, then? Seriously, he just was not good. 

  12. 3 hours ago, Biggs said:

    Massive loss of Cred.  Is that like 2 thumbs down or 3?  

    First draft D'Brick, Mangold, Brad Smith and Leon Washington along with a backup QB who had an 11 year NFL career.  He also took a NY Jets team that went 4 and 12 to the playoffs as a rookie HC.   By any metric his first year as a HC blows Saleh away.  He's first draft blows Douglas away.   

    Lost in the wild card round and then went 4-12 in his second season. Only had success in his last year because Brett Favre refused to listen to Schotty, but then his arm fell off and the team sucked again. And, as a bonus, he drafted Vernon Gholston, who all Mangini-ites tend to forget. 
     
    There’s a reason he’s long gone from the league. He sucked. 

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  13. 18 minutes ago, Biggs said:

    Mangini was probably the best coach and drafter we had

    Massive loss of credibility right here. Mangenius got run out of Cleveland and, except for a short stint with Jim Harbaugh who opted not to bring him to college, has been out of football ever since. He sucks, and everyone but some odd, hanger-on Jet fans seem to understand it. 

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  14. 1 minute ago, kevinc855 said:

    Are we overlooking Becton not playing a full game this year 

    No, the Becton situation is frustrating. But, obviously, he recognized the critical need to improve the OL by taking a potential HoF type talent in the player. At the time, I thought Wirfs was the safer choice (and he seems to’ve been) but I can’t be too critical of his willingness to take the gamble there. 
     
    Again, this was contrasted in his second draft. He didn’t wait for his OL this year, he traded up and grabbed him. He didn’t (speculatively) pass on his preferred WR to trade down and add picks, he stayed right where he was and stuck the pick. I think just about everyone is pretty happy with AVT and Moore. Sometimes people get better at things after the first time they do it. Weird. 

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  15. 18 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

    “Everybody wants to win now, but the general rule is a GM needs three years to get anything done, assuming he’s not taking over a franchise in good shape,” a current NFL general manager said. “With the Jets, it was so bad there, you might get progress after three years. But that’s a five-year rebuilding project at least.”

    This is why Joe Douglas’ first major negotiating move was to get himself six years. I’m pretty sure everyone once knew this. I understand the impatience; I have to look at this team, too. But them sucking thru a decade of rudderless stewardship before Douglas has nothing to do with him other than he had a lot of work to do. That three years they’re talking about? JD and Saleh probably get that. They have a second year guaranteed, and I doubt that the win/loss mandate that a lot of fans would like to see implemented will be. 

    18 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

    Douglas, a well-respected former VP of player personnel for the Philadelphia Eagles, got near universal support from those SNY interviewed. Almost everyone loved that he was committed to building his team from the trenches – focusing on the offensive and defensive lines. In fact, he drafted offensive linemen in the first round in each of his first two drafts, even trading up for Vera-Tucker in April. And he has spent about $70 million on free agent contracts for offensive linemen, too.

    I keep coming back to this with JD, that he’s easily the mostly highly regarded candidate the Jets have managed to hire since Bill Parcells. That’s not insignificant. And for @kevinc855 looking for an explanation of, “the right way,” they mention the building thru the trenches here. The OL was awful enough for me to advocate back to back first round OL (a major departure), and he delivered. He understands the importance of positional value with premium picks drafting two OL, two WRs, and a QB in the first two rounds so far. I think everyone expects an Edge with his first pick this year. His trades have been genius, and will probably get a couple other GMs fired. Yes, he has to hit on the picks, and fortunately his second draft looks a lot better than his COVID infected first. If Becton can get back on the field and produce -he’s looked when when he’s on the field!- that draft will look a lot better. 

    18 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

    It’s not that anyone was against hiring Saleh, the former 49ers defensive coordinator who has never been a head coach before. It was more that they expressed concern about the combination of an inexperienced head coach with an inexperienced staff taking over a very inexperienced team. “That’s a lot of people learning on the job at the same time,” said a former NFL executive. “And right now they all look like they’re in over their heads.”

    This was my biggest concern about this staff. I feel like they bit off more than they could chew. It’s the primary reason I was in favor of trading down instead of drafting a rookie QB: rookie HC, rookie OC, rookie QB - that’s a tough recipe. The good news is that after being on the hot seat with fans early, LaFluer looks like an inventive and creative play caller. For all the complaints of Saleh hiring his buddy there, his buddy looks like a solid hire. I suspect they recognize that they should’ve done more for the QB room from the start, and that led to the trade for Flacco (trying to correct that mistake midstream - a good thing!), and it’s my hope and anticipation that they’ll shore up the position this offseason with a marginal starter type to back up/be ready to take over for Wilson. But Wilson’s development will remain the priority. 
     
    Now it’s up to these gentlemen to self scout over the offseason, identify and correct the mistakes they made, and move forward. I have no doubt that they’re smart guys. Everybody’s coming back in 2022. There will not be a QB competition. Everyone will need to be better in their second year as a pro. I really hope they are. I already know it’s going to be a nightmare around here until the draft, at least. 

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  16. 29 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

    Just curious,  if someone starts a thread to talk about the offense and the QB,  am I allowed to have an opinion that is in conflict with someone else's opinion?? 

     

    And let's say that the person who wants to post about the QB isn't actually a Jets fan, but is only here because of one specific player, and that theoretical person gets angry and defensive towards anyone he disagrees with, was I wrong to state an opinion on the QB in a thread about the QB? 

     

    Jeez, this place is getting as Byzantine as the UN.

    Completely misunderstanding the point and tossing in a crack about the UN? Interesting strategy. 

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  17. 18 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

    Idzik was smart with money but couldn’t draft 

    sound familiar? 

    Compare John Idzik’s second draft to Joe Douglas’ and get back to me because one of them improved significantly in his second year at the helm and the other crapped the bed. In fact, I’d venture to say that the 2021 draft was better than any this team has had since maybe 2006 - and that’s with Zach Wilson not quite looking like a franchise QB just yet (shall we say). And even 2006 is no lock as better. May have to go all the way back to the four first round pick draft of 2000. 
     
    http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/jets

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  18. 4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    What Max wrote can, and in the minds of some posters I could name right off, does apply directly to a poster like me.

    I'm not going to argue with Max or his Mods. Especially you, old friend.  I have nothing but love for you all, especially you and Phil.  Not during the Holidays and probably (on this topic) not ever.

    His site, his rules.  I will endeavor to obey.  But I have no doubt this new rule will hit me directly at some point.

    And respectfully, that's my last word on it, I'm opting out of this discussion.  

     

    Max is talking specifically about the people who feel the need to take a Zach/JD/Saleh sucks dump in every thread, regardless of the topic. This is not any new rule, but there’s no reason to think this announcement will hit you directly, either. 

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