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  1. 1 hour ago, BROOKLYN JET said:

    Gase got to .500 last year with a monoback because we really beat Buffalo in game 1.


    With that logic, we really didn’t beat Buffalo game 16. We beat their glorified practice squad. Barely, I might add. They don’t hand out “We finally beat Matt Barkley” trophies, and with good reason.

    The truth is we didn’t really beat Buffalo week 1. Just like if we came back to beat someone who suffered their own injuries - e.g. the Giants being reduced to a practice squad LT mid-game - it isn’t really a Jets loss even if it does taint the win a bit. 

    I love how if we changed one select thing, all the good things that happened would have stayed the same and it only would have reversed the bad things. Except it doesn’t really work that way. Darnold is more than capable of chucking up picks and errant passes when 100% healthy. 

    Lost in that “prolly woulda” fantasy is the likelihood that the Jets would have prolly still lost at least 2 (if not all 3) of the Falk games. Like if we lost to the pathetic, winless Bengals with Luke Falk in there for Darnold, there’s little doubt an army of excuse-makers would still be calling that a sure thing woulda-won result. 

  2. 8 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

    Such an underrated route runner. When he beats his guy he leaves him in the dust.

    That 75 yarder on week one was a beauty. Nearly broke the CB's ankles cutting upfield. Doesn't count though.

    So forget the 5th clip vs Washington; he wasn’t open on that play, with a man on him and another on top, and given that it doesn’t even look like he’s looking back for the pass that was just thrown away due to pressure. 

    But the rest? 7 passes that would have netted some 370 yards & 5 TDs that were all on the QB throwing it not Anderson — and this was just a short selection of longer tosses from the 2019 season alone (and didn’t include however-many others that weren’t such big-chunk yardage misses, or passing plays where he was open & no attempt was even made).

    They review this film on every play after every game. So when it comes to evaluating a receiver and not just his numbers, on these where it was thrown badly, Gase & Douglas should have mentally added those shoulda-been’s to his 779 yards and 5 TDs since the failure to complete these weren’t on the open receiver, no matter if he’s just Anderson or a way-better Hopkins or even freaking you. 

    It’s convenient for people to ignore these so they can rationalize other reasons for the (granted, very early) success away from here, like other targets on his current offense. But on the 2019 Jets offense, with no other such wepponz to take pressure off him, and with 25% of the season spent with Luke Falk ffs at QB rarely attempting more than a 2-5 yard pass, his own play on the field factoring these 7 plays alone should have been some 1150 yards & 10 TDs. So just blast a receiver’s numbers when he’s been handicapped by playing with QBs who are often missing him on big plays, no matter how open he is, as though a better receiver would accurately throw it to himself.

    Someone should re-post this video every time someone is again kvelling over Darnold’s accuracy. An accurate QB doesn’t leave these and so many other yards on the field. Maybe (and hopefully) the light will go on, or there is a light to go on, but so far he’s been a colossal letdown. 

  3. 2 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

    Wonder what the bizarre reasoning and excuses look like if he finishes with 1000 yards+ and 100 catches.

    "He never would have put up those numbers here" is a time-honored classic here.

    I've lost count of how many people use that one to rationalize - even in hindsight - taking Jamal Adams over either Mahomes or Watson. But it must be a convincing argument in the minds of some, because they still trot it out lol.

    "He'd have been injured if we re-signed him." I got a kick out of this one from both posters who tried floating it already.

    "There's nothing we could have done. He wanted to sign with his college coach." While ignoring how elated he was, publicly, when he didn't get traded at the deadline (and before his college coach had even interviewed with a single NFL club), as though extending him then would have been some bizarre act from a team turning down a mid-round pick for him.


    Beyond these reasons/excuses, the best will be how many people will demand Darnold be handed the starting job for a 4th uncontested/unchallenged tryout year because all 3 of his seasons thus far should be declared mulligans.

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  4. The difference is in presuming a $10-12MM UFA should be lacking in all these flaws, you’re waiting for the perfect person that’s not going to arrive in that range. His contract is in line with Sterling Shepard and Tyrell Williams, and less than a declining and oft-injured Emmanuel Sanders who’s just a slot receiver at that. Plus it was just 1 year of guarantees, so it was hardly the investment of past veteran bust signings like Revis or Wilkerson or Trumaine Johnson or Bell, among others.

    He’s going to have down weeks as well. Better receivers than he is have them, too. But given his familiarity with the QB everyone is trying to assess without grading on a curve, familiarity with the system (not that it’s so far harming him being in a new one this year), the team’s familiarity with him as a known quantity, the lack of any outside receivers on the roster, and the crap available in 2020 FA, and the lack of major investment needed to retain him, IMO this one was easy. 

  5. 3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:


    However you want to spin the catch rate, it was remarkably consistent across multiple QB's over his 4 seasons here.  Just because you don't agree with the reasons WHY that was the case doesn't make it factually untrue.  

    • 2016:  54 %
    • 2017:  55 %
    • 2018:  53 %
    • 2019:  54 %

    We've discussed the rest of the stuff before.  Just because I wanted more WRs doesn't mean I think Douglas made a mistake by not drafting a 2nd one or letting Anderson walk.

    It’s not spinning. No reasonable fan suggests a catch rate with Bryce Petty, or with a QB in McCown who couldn’t reach him while he had the coverage beat by 5 yards for easy TDs, is a critique of the receiver rather than the passer.

    It’s consistent because the Jets have consistently had inconsistent passers and (to say the least) flawed playcallers, right down to the current ones, which you know perfectly well. 

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  6. 4 hours ago, Warfish said:

    You've posted thousands of words in this thread alone, almost all lamenting the "stupidity" of the loss of the "premiere deep threat" (as others in this thread called him) Anderson as being unacceptable.  I wouldn't call it tears.  But I would call it being pretty butthurt over the decision, tbqh.  Because you and others clearly are. 

    As for your sadness over our "young QB", you might want to start thinking about a post-Darnold Jets.  He's simply not the "elite" talent so many Jets Fans bought into him being.  Not even close so far, even taking into account the other factors.  Barring a miracle, his time here is on the clock.

    The further intellectual dishonesty of yet another substituting frustration with poor decision-making with personal sadness is unworthy of further response. You want to reword things people say to make it sound like your own estrous fashion of moodiness, go ahead. This is a football decision - a poor one at that - being lamented, not a personal one. Anderson seems a jerk and is barely coherent; few if any have personal affinity for him. 

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  7. 8 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

    Ok Sam Darnold needs to learn how to scramble,step up in the pocket, roll out,run when he has to, and make better decisions.

    Im tired of 1 year patches not "solutions". 

    There were better options available than Gore and younger options. 

    Yes he is better than Josh Adams. 

    Yeah there's a long line of people who want to be the Jets backup RB before or after a draft where they're taking (or took) a RB, behind a line that many feel ruined the game's best RB.

    RB 2/3 on the Jets is totes like the most coveted job in the NFL. 

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  8. 4 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

    Have you seen the some what success around the league with rookie RB's thats what needs to happen here. 

    Bell injured  Gore older than dirt Josh Adams C'MON MAN can't get us 1 year when needed. 

    Feed Perine all game if healthy, sign younger players who at least have a chance of turning into something here. 

    OK, and then after Darnold gets concussed when Perine doesn’t pick up any number of blitzes, then you’d whine that we should have had a more experienced veteran to trot out there for passing downs.

    Plus you’re contradicting yourself without realizing it. If you’re looking for a “1 year” solution as a backup what makes Josh Adams superior other than age? No one else wanted to sign Adams before we inked him to our practice squad. This team saw him up close last year before deciding to draft Perine. 

    Just because the team drafts a RB doesn’t automatically mean he’ll be much of anything (particularly as a rookie). Gore was signed to be a backup, not a starter, and his contract is for the veteran minimum. 

    RB is a young man’s position and Gore is not a young man. But he was just signed to be a backup and is still better than Josh Adams. 

  9. 2 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

    Very true.  Clearly douglas was not “all in” this year.  And given all the changes to the OL, the adams problem and COVID, not to mention a very tough schedule, I can see why.  This year is about evaluating darnold and developing the rookies so that by the end of the year douglas can target the guys he really wants and get rid of more of mccaagnan’s mess.  Unfortunately we fans don’t get this year of our lives back.

    It doesn’t bother me that he wasn’t “all in” this year, given the starting point. I certainly didn’t want him to throw big money at older skill position veterans with clearly-declining skills.

    It bothers me that this was a relatively minor investment in giving a young QB another arrow to shoot, as well as another body for any rookie (or new FA) to beat out before they get anointed full time starters. 

    It’s not a dig on Douglas that all he does is Maccagnanesque. There were really only two moves I thought he should have made were with players that I saw as not just improving (or stopping a regression) but ones who could start here for 2-4 years. So Anderson was one. The other was Conklin. And the reason I’m annoyed about them is because both accepted contracts for millions less than people presumed it’d take to sign each. That the team still spent on veterans at these positions, except they opted for far less accomplished & known players in Perriman & Fant, makes it more discouraging.

    I’ll at least say I’m a little encouraged that this GM realizes these positions were in need of more than a mid-round pick plus a has-been/stopgap veteran while he drafts & signs more DTs. Like (we’ll never know but) I don’t think he’d have stuck at #3 for a DT in a draft where he was already without a 2nd round pick. But his s**t still stinks like anyone else’s turds. 

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  10. 2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

    Very true.  Clearly douglas was not “all in” this year.  And given all the changes to the OL, the adams problem and COVID, not to mention a very tough schedule, I can see why.  This year is about evaluating darnold and developing the rookies so that by the end of the year douglas can target the guys he really wants and get rid of more of mccaagnan’s mess.  Unfortunately we fans don’t get this year of our lives back.

    If the year was "all about evaluating Darnold" then why worry about an extra $2MM for this year alone? His evaluation isn't worth $2MM when you're going to be faced with whether or not to offer him some $35MM per season (or whatever he'll get offered that he isn't worth)?

  11. 4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    No, I'd say the decision was made long before he hit free agency:  JD wasn't going to overpay for a player like Anderson.

    Perriman, Crowder, Mims, Smith, Berrios, Herndon, Griffith, Bell, Perine.

    That should be enough talent, if healthy, to not be the 32nd ranked Offense in the NFL.

    And it's not the endpoint, it was (clearly IMO) JD's attempt to fill that gap as much as possible now, while planning for a future with legitimate talent from the draft.

    End of the day tho, results are what they are.  Once again, we're devastated by injuries, and can't play Offense.  I blame Gase, Darnold, and injuries, in that order.  You guys seem to think it's because....of Anderson.  Fine, agree to disagree,

    Maybe we should spend our time on those biggest problems then, not meaningless "problems" like Anderson.

    I'll repeat, there was no short-sightedness IMO.

    Perriman, Crowder, Mims, Smith, Berrios, Herndon, Griffith, Bell, Perine should have been enough.  With future high-draft pick WR's presumably/surely still to come.

    Can't fix everything in one year.  We had holes everywhere.  

    The only truly questionable move was the backup QB, and not, say a Gandy-Golden.  But clearly Darnold 

    He wasn't taking $11M here.  He took it in Carolina because he was mad at us and because it was his former Coach.  He was demanding the higher value and thought himself worthy of #1 WR money.

    Yeah except this isn't true. Anderson was publicly thrilled to not be traded when the trade didn't go through. And if the team couldn't get him on a market-value deal then take the 4th round pick for him instead of effectively paying that 4th round pick for 9 games of mop-up in 2019. 

    And sure that lineup is enough to be not-32nd, but not enough to be particularly good. Not unless Darnold was at least twice the QB he is or ever will be, Gase becomes a good team manager, and the line mimicked the one we had a decade ago. 

  12. 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

    Great points....but....BUT....if you’re the GM and you float a player and the best offer you get back from the 31 other teams is a 4, I think that gives you some confidence that you can go into free agency with said player with some confidence that no one is going to blow him away with a contract offer. You know his market is sh*t. As a practical matter, sure, he could have looked at the roster and the landscape and determined that Robby was more valuable to his team than he is to anyone else—and that’s certainly playing out right now with the injuries—but at the time, I don’t agree that his choices were 1. Take the 4 and be done with it, or, 2. Ply him with a contract that isn’t—at the time—commensurate with his value around the league, as determined by the lack of interest in his services. Hell, if it wasn’t for Rhule being his college coach, Anderson probably doesn’t get close to the rumored 4/$40mm that we offered. 

    That's fine in theory, but only if it succeeds. The reality is 4/40 is a lower contract than he was expected to fetch before FA started (forget that $15MM/year nonsense which was purely agent-blustering). For a player with such a high opinion of himself, it's also a worse deal than 2/20 (never mind 2/24 with 12 gtd). 

    Douglas got too cute with it. Hey he got cute with a couple other decisions and they paid off (e.g. trading down instead of taking Mims, and then still ending up with Mims plus an extra pick). Or hanging onto Adams in hopes someone in the 11th hour rescues him from having to offer a ridiculous extension. 

    But a fool thinks he can be this cute all the time and always come up smelling like roses. I'd further argue that an extra couple million of non-guaranteed money at Anderson was worth more than offering Fant $9MM instead of the former teammate who started over him yet only got a veteran minimum contract from the Bears. 

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  13. Just now, Augustiniak said:

    I really think douglas thought that between v smith, perriman and mims he’d more than replaced Robbie.  Maybe we’ll see in a few weeks.

    The problem is in thinking it’s an either-or decision there. 

    The team has a QB playing under his rookie contract. Part of what we’d hoped is the team could use that advantage so they didn’t have to bend over to be so frugal, down to the last 1-2 million, to surround him with players and may the best man win.  Put Anderson and Perriman out there with Crowder, and make Mims beat one of them out. 

    People cry for this opportunity to get a little carefree in FA by having rookie-contract starters at key positions, and cry for competition, and then act satisfied with a master plan to hand out 2 of 3 starting WR jobs to a career 3rd stringer and a then-unnamed rookie.

    This isn’t in place of obvious QB and HC concerns, but it’s additive.

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  14. 25 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    Anderson is (and was) replaceable.  He isn't doing anything special so-far for the equally 0-2 Carolina Panthers.  He's basically still a Crowder-level performer, with one long-bomb exaggerating his stats thru only two weeks.  He's on-par as a #2 WR, which is what I called him, and how he should be paid.  You do not improve your team overpaying for 2nd tier talent and doubling down on that talent filling a 1st tier role.

    We drafted Mims, a decent enough prospect, who SHOULD have been on the field and performing as a #3 WR (at least) from day 1.  We signed Perriman, a reach as a #1 to be sure, but a player who should be filling the old Anderson #1-who-is-really-a-#2 role.  We had Crowder, a generally reliable enough slot #2.  We had Smyth and a few other bench-type players, a few of which some thought had potential.

    The fact that Adam Gase teams are cursed by widespread injuries in a way that simply cannot be explained does not mean we should have overpaid for Anderson, as Anderson would make no difference whatsoever right now.  We would/should have been fine at WR, but we're not, because they're all hurt.  Failing to plan to have your #1, #2, #3 and #4 WR"s all hurt is not being "short sighted", IMO.

    If there is an issue here, it's not Anderson.  It's why have all our players been made of tissue paper recently. 

    Or, to (mis)quote our own past, they're all "like eggs out there".

    End of the day, I just don't get the pining for him.  He's done ok thru two games, for a 0-2 team, with a better QB and materially better supporting cast.  Good for him, I don;t think the million difference made the difference.  I think his ex-college coach made the difference in this case.  As others pointed out, till the end, there was no reason to bid against ourselves for Anderson. 

    But, if it makes you all feel better to boo hoo for Anderson, by all means, rock on.  I'd rather look at the issues of real import for this team, like Sam Darnold, Adam Gase, and the rampant injuries.

    See my last reply to TS because there’s no need to type it twice. But suffice to say you’re also playing this convenient game where the decision on him began in March. The shortsightedness isn’t about how many injuries there are. It’s about presuming that a WR corps is complete by adding to Crowder a busted former #1 draft pick, then another former #1 draft pick who quit in August, plus one rookie draft pick (whom we didn’t know we would get in March, let alone in October before that).

    It’s hardly warrants the next line of strawman arguments like this is the only problem or even the team’s biggest problem. But his handling of it was a significant problem because it shows shortsightedness at the position both in FA and in the draft. That’s more of a concern than whether or not we have Robby Anderson in 2020. I was thrilled we landed a good prospect like Mims, but Douglas was so pleased with his luck that he then acted like the position had just been secured by a sure thing who’d produce and stay healthy.

    Anderson wasn’t overpaid, and no one is seriously advocating they should have overpaid him in the $15MM range. In that market he was appropriately paid, if not underpaid, seeing how his FA comp got $11MM/year the prior FA period. 

  15. 10 minutes ago, Warfish said:

    A #2 actually.  Which is what he is now.

    A view I'm comfortable standing by.  

    All this banshee-like keening over the loss of Anderson is just truly sad.  It says alot about the state of our franchise and fans.

    I will remind folks, our GM did offer him a fair deal, reportedly.  He decided he'd rather leave, and rejoin his beloved college coach. 

    His choice, not ours.

    I'll add, having Robby wouldn't change anything about the state of our team today.  We'd still be 0-2 and we'd still suck at scoring, just like we were when we had Robby all those years.

    The Jets offered him the 2nd-best deal, which itself was less than the deal they’d have had to offer him at the trade deadline last season. He took the better on-paper deal. 

    It’s not that Anderson’s some irreplaceable player; no one thinks that. It’s that given the team’s situation at the time, with only one starting WR on the roster (a slot receiver at that), the team was not in a position to squabble over $2MM for 1 season, since he only got 1 year guaranteed.

    It’s that it shows some shortsightedness, missing the forest (no outside WRs) by looking at the trees (worrying if he’s not worth $11MM instead of $10MM). And it’s only more upsetting that the team would turn down trading him 2 months before his final season ended (when we were at 1-6) and then didn’t make him an offer until FA had started. You make that offer before turning down the trade, and if Anderson doesn’t accept it then take the pick. 

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  16. 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:


    PART of the problem is what I wrote.  

    The NY Jets continually sign these players who have been off the grid for years or players that are near the end of their career and never get anything out of them. 

    I don't love to complain about anything, the NY Jets organization makes it easy for me to bring out the faults. 

    Notice the NY Giants are going to sign 28 year old Devonte Freeman not a 38 year old NFL dinosaur. 

    Frank Gore's better days are behind him only reason he on this roster is because of his friendship with Adam Gase. 


    Freeman’s best days aren’t behind him?

    Look, as comical as it is on its face to sign such an old RB, it’s perfectly obvious why they did it: to have an experienced backup who could also be a locker room presence. They’d already drafted Perine before signing Gore. One of them could give Bell a breather here & there, or if Bell was so awful again (or got injured) then they wouldn’t be relying upon a rookie RB to pick up every blitz on passing plays. 

    Since Freeman was unsigned, it’s possible he was just holding out to wait for someone’s starter to get injured so he wouldn’t have to spend the year as a backup. He’s young enough to get another short contract in the $5-8MM/year range if things go just right, and he may be on that path.

    Back in May, what incentive would Freeman have for signing to play behind Leveon Bell for the veteran minimum? In his eyes (if not most/all of the league’s) Bell was the best RB in football until he came to the Jets, and though rested & healthy he sucks. Why would Freeman try to resurrect his career as Bell’s backup (so soon after the Jets just drafted another RB as well, which might even relegate Freeman to 3rd string)?

    He was far better off staying in shape & waiting for a starting opportunity, gambling that it happens for someone early, and his wish came true. 

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  17. 12 minutes ago, JiF said:

    Who cares what # WR Anderson was/is/will be.....it doesnt mean sh*t.  The bottom line is, he was the only game breaker/deep threat on the team, Sam had clear chemistry with him and you need players like Robby Anderson on your team.  Just because he's not a #1 doesnt mean you dont resign him.  Teams need playmakers, team need take the top off speed, teams need reliable players - Anderson is all the above.  If Mims developed into a #1, how much better off would the Jets been from a weaponz perspective than they are now?    Mims, Anderson, Crowder...that's nice.  If Mims doesnt develop, great, fine, at least you got 2 WR's that can get open and catch the ball and it just makes it that easier to wait for the "#1".

    Bunch of bozos in Florham Park, man.  Bozos. 

    But he’s not a true #1 WR. Can’t you read?

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  18. 25 minutes ago, PCP63 said:

    But maybe it's not a problem. Maybe Darnold just can't handle the audibling. Perhaps he can. We honestly don't really know, since we're not there at practice, in the meeting rooms with him.

    There’s no evidence for that being one of the likely reasons. What Gase said is sometimes Darnold is granted that ability but wasn’t on that specific play. 

    And besides, if a top 3 pick in his 3rd season as starter can’t see what’s right in front of his face when everyone is standing still then he shouldn’t be on the field dropping back to pass ever, trying to assess what’s going on (with half that pre-snap time to assess it) while everyone is running around. 

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