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  1. He's been mistakenly receiving first team all pro honors all these years? Those were just "very good" years it seems. Now who's using stats (his 20 sack season) as the main measure of DT production? I know who .
  2. No doubt, so it depends what they do it for. If they're looking to buy a team via FA it's foolishness. The team will be better in the very short term if their starting point is the garbage the current team has all over, but there just aren't enough good young FAs to go around. Teams tend to keep the goods when they've got them. We're now likely to get a repeat of 2015. If you're looking for a specific need that is not hard to find in the draft, but may not bear instant fruit in the draft, then bridge fixes with above average players can work out very well. Damien Woody comes to mind. It's also true that for every one of those that work out so great for a couple years there's an Alan Faneca that flops. He helped in that a veteran like him was just what the doctor ordered for the young LT and C on either side of him, but as a player - particularly in pass protection - he was far worse than the 6th round nobody who took his job after his 2nd season here. Shame we didn't keep that guy; he was arguably the best bang for the buck OLman for a decade. Bart Scott was an excellent pickup as well because we weren't likely to draft a mid-round ILB to lead the defense as a rookie. Davis eventually panned out, but look how long it took him to become an above average player (and how it came from out of nowhere in 2017 under the CS that supposedly made everyone worse). Mawae was one of the best pickups this team has ever had. Ditto Vinny (at least for one year). Likewise, a team that has no center should be drafting one in anticipation of the current one not lasting. Our dumbass GM just presumes the C fairy will visit him as soon as the team needs one. So he inherits Mangold and for his first 2 years drafts nobody. He RFA-tags Wesley Johnson in March and then drafts nobody. He then signs an average to below average (but somewhat injury prone) center FA and then drafts nobody. Likewise I expect us to go hard after Paradis, and if we manage to sign him, then will draft nobody. Center is one of the best OL positions to draft because you'd be hard-pressed to name a good center who couldn't slide over to guard if the temporary need was there, so we should be signing one and drafting one this year. If we do sign Paradis and he lasts >2 years, then fine; the drafted center takes over for Winters (or for whichever FA LG is also signed in March). It's good if you use it for an instant-production bridge - with the idea you're going to draft guys at those positions to create a pipeline that takes over 1/2/3 years in - and for guys who clearly have a lot of years left (but who reached FA because their team just didn't need them). Trent Brown might be one of those, but he's at least as likely to prove he was merely a product of every NE OLman being allowed to hold with impunity and was more than adequate during the 1.6 seconds it took Brady to find Edelman/Gronk/White. Expecting him to be Jason Peters II is what leads to the bad track record you're talking about. Carpenter looked like one after his first 2 seasons, but the 2 that followed maybe we wouldn't have had to endure if we'd drafted more than one late-round project guard back in 2015 (who was waived as a rookie and we never drafted another since). But yeah, people who think we're going to purchase a lasting legion of quality starters in FA are not students of history.
  3. Yes, I can lock and then pin it for a little while or keep bumping it myself. Worth a try IMO. After it's locked, give me a glorious positive rep to see if that still works. @TuscanyTile2 I see a lowered reputation in your near future.
  4. lol Except we're getting another 2nd rounder. His prior best use of any 2nd rounder was trading three of them away instead of drafting his next Hackenberg or Devin Smith, or where we're all to fellate ourselves over Marcus Maye having a solid October after missing September and before missing most of November and all of December. Pay $16MM for the upside of drafting another Maye? Better off paying someone else's castoff $16MM. Or honestly, that amount of money would be infinitely better spent buying every JN member a lifetime supply of weed and booze instead of him either paying a mid-level FA or buying/drafting a 2nd rounder.
  5. They would be still below market value in terms of pay. The point is it's not just salary A plus salary B. Those 2 together are more than just their salaries. They also would have collectively cost a #6 overall pick, another probable top 10 pick, three 2nd round picks, another 1st rounder, and maybe another 2nd rounder. The point was I could rationalize the collective salary, but not the collective salary plus picks. That doesn't therefore make me "still on the fence" as you surmised. It was tempting, but the team was too far away, and robbing the team of all those picks (on top of the sunk cost of the whiffs we've already had) made it a poor fit at that time. The same trade can work for one team (Chicago) and not work for another (Jets).
  6. 1. Don't necessarily agree. Some get better, some don't. There isn't necessarily a natural progression if someone's already hit his peak. Leo hasn't gotten progressively better, for example, and he's not Hackenberg. It's rare for someone to continue to improve until one reaches Aaron Donald's level. That's what makes him so unique; I'm not sure a DT like that comes along even twice a decade. 2. I don't take inferences to mean exactly the narrow conclusions you reach. Correlation doesn't equal causation. I can look at one game but it doesn't therefore infer other things in the rest of them. But beyond that, what Donald became when he became a pro is beyond statistical rationalization. 3. I'm not watching tape on him because, on a team with 12-15 starters needed, who's still breaking in a 2nd year FQB, I'd consider DT with the #3 pick about as much as I'd consider safety with the #6 pick. I don't doubt his talent, and accept he'll likely be an excellent pro, but I don't see finding an excellent DT as being particularly unique unless he's literally Donald II. The Jets can trade out if they want to. The idea of "if" is IMO a convenient excuse for it not being done. There are rare instances where you really can't get any type of value trading down because of the draft class (e.g. 2013 anywhere near the top 5) or previously because no one wanted an ultra-high pick's contract (e.g. 2015 Alex Smith and his $50MM contract with half guaranteed; no one wanted it). Otherwise there are always opportunities. Had SF decided not to trade down with Chicago, the presumption (to some) would have been an inability rather than the lack of desire. 4. The answer is because a lesser judge of talent requires more opportunities. Absent using today's hindsight to rationalize it, Q Williams isn't a night & day better prospect than L Williams was. Further, after 4 drafts I've seen how he operates. He won't draft a LT or EDGE rusher next year. He'll overpay for someone else's ok player, or a previously good player whom the team felt was not worthy of the trust of lots of guarantees (e.g. T.Johnson). In doing so, he'll have eliminated that position as a need, and therefore altered his rankings accordingly. I take for granted he's not looking at a pure safety in the first 2 days no matter how talented. Ditto QB. Ditto RB, should he ink Bell.
  7. Why not just sign a veteran who makes that much, who has no bust factor, instead of buying a 2nd round pick for $16MM?
  8. He wasn't a free agent. The money alone would ignore the significant draft pick compensation also required, and it ignores just how many other needs the team had. Imagine the 2019 Jets with Mack, but with $24MM less to spend, and at least 2 fewer 1st rounders. As it is it's going to be close trying to fill all these holes with so many absent draft picks, and have to rely on players deemed unworthy of retaining to fill almost all of them. He's an amazing player who's like having a 12th defender on the field vs the mere 11-player offense, but had we surrendered all that it'd be fun to watch while we were still losing.
  9. Senior shmeenior. You don't get to credibly award someone for production he hasn't accomplished just because one of the all-time great players was able to. Life doesn't work that way, and going by your username you ought to be old enough to know that. You make a lot of assumptions based on stats that aren't necessarily true. He had more tackles and infer your own reasons for them happening, while ignoring that may purely be due to more opportunity. I take for granted offenses would be more likely to run/roll out away from Donald, given the weaker Pitt defense around him, than With Williams who was surrounded by good talent at all 3 levels. There was less incentive to move away from him. I will not change my mind by looking at highlight youtube videos against college players, most of whom will not be worth a damn in the NFL. Just like "oh this one is different" with those anointing Jonathan Cooper a first ballot HOF guard, high 5'ing of Leo being the best player in the 2015 draft regardless of position, or other pre-awarded awards where the player didn't have to accomplish the task before being given the award. No one questioned Leo's motor on draft day, nor after his rookie season either. He's simply not as good as advertised, and that was with far more tape to watch. He was a safer sure thing. Look, unless he's Donald - who is like having 1 and sometimes 2 extra players on D, QW is one DT. He plays one position and the team has holes or needed upgrades at a dozen or so. He is not worth arguably up to two mid-first 1st rounders plus another 2nd rounder (plus additional high draft picks, if we traded down further). Not to this team, who's already docked 2nd round picks from last year and this year, plus has already cut its 3rd and 4th rounders from the year before, and if we draft QW we're effectively writing off our 3rd rounder from last year. There aren't enough draft picks to go around for a luxury pick like this. This is for a team that doesn't have absolutely zero to show for so many high, recent, 2nd-3rd round picks. But fine, if you want to believe he's worth 3-4 good or great starters to the 2019 Jets, based on one college season, then go ahead. History suggests it's foolish, and for it to pan out more than 3-4 other good - and very badly needed - starters it would be a result of unlikely luck more than the residue of prudent design. As in, finding a left tackle and/or high end edge rusher and another good starting corner all in the middle or later rounds where our GM has mostly whiffed.
  10. I'm not on the fence. The Jets were not going to be realistically competitive for the first 2 years of his contract ($56MM outlaid over those first 2 years). The next couple years are less outlay annually, but historically while he may still be excellent one wouldn't expect him to be quite as good. Then by preseason of year 4 is when any team would really start thinking, on a year to year basis, whether or not he's worth bringing back. That's just the money, not including draft picks. The extra value with him over a draftee is his being a sure thing compared to a prospect no matter how good. If the Jets were in a different position on/about Sept 1 2018 than early slash/burn, then that'd be different: if we were a year or two closer (i.e. if the same offer was available on Sept 1 2020 for Mack at age 27) then I might be more inclined since, 2021 would be the first draft pick surrendered. But it depends how close the team is in reality at that point, not how close we hope we'll be 2 years prior. Enunwa is making $9MM per year; what are you talking about? This year he's pocketing $10MM. If they cut ties with him it is a 1 year $10MM deal. Depending when they cut ties, it's 1 year $10MM; 2 years $17MM ($16.0 if he's kept but misses the whole season); 3 years $26MM; or 4 years $36MM. You're really splitting hairs over it being $8.4MM/year if they cut ties exactly after 2 seasons, or $8.8MM/year if they cut ties after 3? He has $2.6MM in escalators that kick in if kept through year 3, which he earns just for being active for in 1 game in 2020. Your analysis removes all of it that's why you're getting a wrong (lower) total. You're further conveniently removing the $1.8MM of the amortized SB as though it wasn't paid, because it hit the 2018 cap instead of 2019. But that's just moving left pocket to right pocket. Yeah it hits the 2019 cap $1.8MM less, but our cap ceiling is $1.8MM lower because we pushed $1.8MM less cap space forward to 2019, so it's the same thing. Year 1 effective cap space used is $4.6MM not $2.8MM. Then if he's cut there's still another $5.4MM that has to hit ($10MM total, because he was paid $10MM). If they cut him pre-6/1/2019 then he counts $5.4MM next year without being on the team; post-6/1 cut then it's $1.8MM in 2020 but $3.6MM in 2021. No matter how you slice it, if we paid him $10MM then $10MM has to come off the cap. There's no fancy way of eliminating that.
  11. Here's how I look at using such a high pick on a DT: #3 overall on QW (vs) Mid-1st round LT or 43DE who'll cost in just the $3-4MM/yr range for the next 4 seasons Mid-2nd rounder - take your pick: WR, CB, whichever between T/edge we don't take in round 1, a RB if we don't sign Bell, or another position depending who's there at or just above that pick; Another 1st rounder in 2020. Even if we had to give back a 4th (or even a 3rd) rounder to make a move like this happen I'd still jump on it. Of course I prefer to not have to part with any extras, but I'm not sitting on my hands for what should be 3 sure-thing starters so Macc can draft who'll likely be his next Nathan Shepherd, Ardarius Stewart, Chad Hansen, Lorenzo Mauldin, or Juston Burris. If 1-2 QBs really look great at the combine a haul like this it's not far-fetched. Pre-combine in 2016 Goff was supposed to go around #7 and Wentz somewhere between 1 and 5, with Laremy Tunsil expected #1 overall. Not two months later the Rams are moving a trio of 1st round picks to draft "more NFL ready but limited upside" Goff #1. That's why I'm saying QW would have to literally become future lock 1st ballot HOF Aaron Donald II to be worth taking at #3. You're talking 4 years of 3 key starters at high-pick, high-dollar veteran/FA positions, at positions that rarely reach FA in the first place. Or one DT (who'll still cost $8MM/yr himself and whose 5th yr option will be close to franchise tag money; look at the difference in 5th year options between Sheldon/Mo's $7-8MM and Leo's $13-14MM because of their respective draft slots). That alone is another future player that year, or at least the difference upgrading from a $4MM backup to a $10MM starter, or another free $2MM/yr extra to guarantee some FA in his first 3 years to make sure we don't get outbid. Not a reason to do it on its face, but a nice bonus tax to avoid. I'd rather do that and re-sign friggin' Sheldon for ~$8MM for the year if they think Shepherd is bad enough to already abandon thoughts of starting him as a 26 year-old 2nd year DT. Hopefully not, but if he is then what a dumb ****ing pick yet again.
  12. @joenamathwouldn'tcry With Khalil Mack I was on the fence. He's so great, but the tremendous cost in draft picks and pay was equally great . The main reason for me being against it specifically for the Jets was that 2 of his first 3 years the Jets would not likely being realistic contenders with or without him. But the difference is someone like him allows the team to generate a consistent outside pass rush without blitzing, plus he's a sure thing at the pro level. You know there's no question as to his ability to still perform at an elite level when he's facing only NFL talent and when he's not surrounded by a full defense of players who can manhandle the college competition level typically faced. Here's the funny part of that: what Chicago ended up trading for Mack isn't worlds away from what we're looking at today with the #3 overall pick value, considering a #3 pick and its 1800 "points" can be parlayed into multiple #1 picks, directly or indirectly. It's also more cash, but the Jets have tons of cap room and the QB+eliteEDGE combo-cost of $30MM for the upcoming 4 seasons would still be below market. Besides, a team guaranteeing Quincy Enunwa $9MM/year shouldn't be using money as an excuse to stay away from a truly elite, high dollar position player with years left in his prime.
  13. The "no guarantee" he'll be Aaron Donald is overreaching IMO. Donald is an all-time great and that's not an exaggeration. The one QW stat that blew you away was a TFL percentage of 27%, citing it's nearly 30%. In his final college season Aaron Donald's was closer to 50% than QW was to 30% (28.5 TFL on his 59 tackles). On top of that, it's safe to guess he was doubled up at a higher rate when doing so, playing for friggin' Pitt without another NFL-caliber player helping him on defense. Agree DT's generally not a stat-driven position - except for Donald, whom you think he has a shot at being - which is why I wasn't moved much by his % of tackles that were TFL. He plays interior DL on a defense that's not filled with slouches next to and behind him, so I kind of half expect his TFL percentage to be in the 20-30% range as a bare minimum. Less than that and he's getting pushed back too much, and I might expect higher than 27%, teammate help considered, for him to be viewed at #3 overall. Hovering around 25% is frankly nothing elite when you're surrounded by the cast he was; QW had probably a few teammates hover around that same TFL percentage (including those who often dropped back after the snap by design). I don't doubt that there isn't an offensive player worth #3, though the combine (to a fault, and often foolishly) can change that. That doesn't therefore automatically mean we must take the highest-ranked defender at #3 regardless of position, because one can rationalize any position in/around the top 5 if one really wanted to. I also agree whatever "benefits the Jets the most" (your words) is what we should be looking at. It's a matter of opinion, but I don't come close to agreeing DT is what benefits this team most. There are just too many good DT prospects coming out every year, and too many good DTs reaching FA, to value that position that high in the draft, and further as the only position we take a crack at in the first 2 rounds outright. Not on a team that's surrendered or whiffed so many day 2 picks over the prior 2 drafts. He's better than say a FA like Sheldon, but is he #3 overall pick in the country better, considering the inability to use that pick elsewhere? He'd have to be young Donald/Suh for that to be true, and he's played his whole college career with such talent around him that it's harder to tell even though he easily passes the eye test. A team with 10-15 upgrades needed (if not outright holes) isn't one that should be burning 2-3 draft picks' worth of draft capital on a single DT. I don't agree that's what would benefit this team most. If we were closer to 3 players away than 13 players away, with Sam Darnold already developed and playing at a high level, and interior DL was this gaping hole that's so hard to fill, and DT was a position so hard to fill in FA, then that would be very different. Except none of that's the case. If someone was willing to surrender a 2019 high 2nd rounder or even a low 1st for Leo then I also might feel differently as well. But keeping Leo and burning the #3 overall pick on his physical clone? I'm not seeing this pick as the move that "benefits the Jets the most" for the overall team there. Unrelated: use the enter button between thoughts. I'm happy to reply to you, but it's hard to read. Gets your point across far better than boldfacing random words that people wouldn't necessarily read with emphasis.
  14. I'm sure someone else would have forked over $9MM/year with $20MM guaranteed to Enunwa 🙄. I like Enunwa but given his body of work it seems pretty unlikely, even in this FA class. Seems more a combination of, "We have no one else technically under contract, have 1 draft pick in the first 2 rounds, and [at the time] no WRs are projected to be worth that high of a pick. Robby's a RFA who'll play under the tag, but otherwise that's it." Stinks of a guy terrified he'll get snubbed by another FA class and was worried he'd end up with nothing. I wouldn't make any guesses as to what "even the Jet owners know" on anything related to football players and coaches. This was pure payback for Darnold falling to #3. Meanwhile if the Giants had taken him instead of Barkley would that make the GM any worse or better? From their own retelling stories of their reactions, they were all shocked when the Giants took Barkley at that point. Craziest of all, it wouldn't have happened anyway if he'd gotten his wish and Cousins accepted his all guaranteed 3 yr $90MM offer only to find out he was used to get Cousins up over his (then) next-highest offer of $25MM/year. Then again, getting lucky over and over is probably a good plan and one that is sure to succeed. We are very lucky fans.
  15. I'd go with the boldface. Probably didn't want to go with a madam finding high-priced girls for him who could turn around and blackmail him. Or maybe he's just a frugal guy who figured a rub/tug shouldn't cost $100. Regardless, he still has to be spending every day thinking **** what are the odds the day - and time of day - when I'm there is when they get raided after all these years. At least we get to enjoy the humiliation of his being there when they got raided rofl. Hahahaha **** him.
  16. The TFL percentage is good but hardly other-worldly. You take a guy like that because of what you see he's got, not what his stats are, otherwise Quinton Coples would have been an automatic team-changer. QW had 3-4 teammates with similar TFL percentages and (in comparison to opponents) borderline-unfair talent for a supporting cast. The Jets, however, do not have this. Other than a live wire edge rusher, the team should otherwise narrowly be looking at offense or parlaying those supposed 2200 points into multiple high picks not putting all their eggs into a single DT: LT specifically, since consistent ones (that consistently don't allow pressure) don't hit FA until they're in their 30s, and even then it's not common. There isn't a wealth of really good ones around the league right now anyway. WR with a more unique, go-to, "it"-factor WR. For all his other faults, Brandon Marshall was the only WR the Jets have had like that since Keyshawn, and the best one we've had since before that. Too bad he was hitting his wall and was about as much a team player as his locker room nemesis It's more a philosophical difference than individual player-grading, but inside the top 5 these 3 positions are all I'd consider. If no DE/LT/WR are available who are worthy of such a high selection, then given a team with 10+ upgrades needed and no 2nd round pick, I'm moving down. If QW is such an omg omg omg rare talent then teams will push each other out of the way with offers, just for a chance to trade up to #3 to get him. I'm not anyone's guru on ranking prospects, and don't doubt the guy is gushing with ability and promise, but if it's me I'm building around Darnold unless I can nail a cheap, consistent young edge rusher (which will have an additive benefit of not requiring Adams to blitz so often and will make either of them that much more effective when he does). Talented DTs, on the other hand, come out every year. Probably not as talented as QW, but unless he's literally Aaron Donald II the difference between a DT we can draft next year and drafting QW this year IMO isn't such a disparity worth the #3 overall pick in Darnold's second season.
  17. Because someone had the temerity to suggest Maccagnan has done a good job here - or even an acceptable one - page one of JetNation must be counterbalanced with another highlighting how awful he is and has been. There's a well known expression, that gets repeated around here a lot, about the definition of insanity. Keeping a GM like Maccagnan makes me think of that. Another that comes to mind goes something like those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. Well plenty have brought up draft picks, particularly those drafted outside the top 6 overall (where a junior high school kid could credibly succeed if armed only with an internet connection) -- selections that range from the merely terrible to the outright humiliating. However Maccagnan is and has been the GM here, and not merely the head of college scouting, so let's see more of the non-draft GM'ing we can expect more of in the future by looking at the past...if you get an hour with nothing to do, lol: Right away he set the stage to lose Damon Harrison instead of extending him while he had all the leverage. It's stupidity he's repeated to this day, and the only reason it isn't more obvious is he has signed so few players worth keeping that there's again a mountain of cap room. It's doubtful Snacks would have cost even $6MM per year as a RFA in the spring of 2015, when no one would fork over a 2nd rounder to pry him away from us (nor was there a leak anyone offered us anything at all for him, to see if we'd take a 4th rounder or something) -- not even after the draft, when a surrendered pick wouldn't come due until the following season. We had a mountain of cash to spend, and instead of using a mere $5MM-ish of it to reinvest in the DL's keystone, it myopically went on short-term older and bad veterans listed below. So we lost him in 2016, after 1 more year of his consistently good play, and then spent $3.5 MM/year on Steve McLendon to replace him. This FA Master decided that the 30 year-old McLendon and ~$2MM/year savings was worth more than the 27 year-old Harrison. After the swap, the Jets' DL immediately fell apart and it hasn't been the same ever since. Where'd that mountain of cap money go instead? David Harris at $7.5MM per with 2 years fully guaranteed. It was utterly ridiculous at the time to pay him like a top-5 ILB. He was slow 5 years earlier in his mid-20s when Alge Crumpler, who looked every bit of 300 pounds in his final NFL season, ran him down from behind (and from across the field) after a pick was thrown right at him in the playoffs. Solid player once upon a time, but at this time to hand him this contract was just foolishness. It foreshadowed what was to come from a GM who was in way over his head from the start. Antonio Cromartie at $7MM for 2015 (and $8MM per beyond that if kept) was insane. It may have been only 1 year, but they paid him 2 years of his annual value in that 1 year. Arizona got him for half that in between his Jets years. Worse still, this stupidity was offered after already signing Revis and Skrine. Was Bowles the one who had Cro on his wish list? Undoubtedly. That doesn't mean you pay any price if you know better. Macc didn't know better. Bowles actually tried making excuses for Cro's terrible preseason, citing how he's a slow starter but it'll get better. It never did, and he was cut after just 1 year of paying him at the rate of a top 15 corner. Darrelle Revis ended up as 2 years at a jaw-dropping $19.5MM per because Maccagnan guaranteed him some $10MM more than #2-bidder NE, after he already showed he wasn't the player he once was (and was never going to be again). But hey, he got to show off to his boss that he was the one who got Revis back. Revis showed him why even the 2nd-highest bid was so much lower. So we were treated to one pretty good season for $39MM. Marcus Gilchrist at $5.5MM per. Cut after 2 years for sucking on the job. Buster Skrine at $6MM per. Since 2015 he has been every Jets fan's favorite player to rip on, and makes every Jets fan's list on whom to cut the following season. At least now he won't be on those lists because he'll be a FA. Get that? This is the shining example of a successful Maccagnan FA signing who played out the entire contract. Brandon Marshall at $9MM, but the reality to the story is he was given to us by a Bears team that wanted him not just gone, but gone specifically to the Jets so we wouldn't draft a "#1" WR in the slot ahead of them the following month. Any draft pick they got in return was gravy. James Carpenter. At $5MM per season he looked like a brilliant pickup those first 2 seasons. Well he was the leftover starter remaining after other FA targets decided to sign with other teams, so it's not like Carpenter was the target. I think the top target was Boling (can't remember for sure), but he got extended last minute. Next target was Iupati, and after going full court press on him, the guard signed with Arizona instead. Carpenter was the leftover, and exceeded all expectations for '15 and '16 (if it was expected, Carpenter would have been the first choice at this price). But that ended abruptly in 2017, and we still kept him on for another lousy season in 2018 because Maccagnan brought in or drafted nobody else (again). If the drafts weren't so OL-barren maybe he could have been benched in mid-2017 and (appropriately) cut before 2018. Trapping himself into keeping this player for 2 substandard seasons at full pay badly tarnishes the original signing. Quinton Coples. This one gets forgotten about, because we got lucky, but had Coples gotten injured before he got benched in 2015, the Jets would have been locked into paying him $7MM in 2016 because Maccagnan exercised his 5th year option. Coples was cooperative enough to play even worse, without getting badly injured, so he was able to get benched and then cut before he stubbed his toe in the locker room. For all the money spent, there isn't a single totally-good pickup in the whole bunch, and the draft looks even worse with the benefit of hindsight. This should tell anyone how useless the NFL Executive of the Year award really is. Maccagnan's tenure unfortunately didn't end at the 2015 offseason, though: Fitzpatrick the 2016 free agent was an extended, national embarrassment that made Maccagnan look like the enormous amateur he was and is: offering a contract no one else would consider matching, and leaving it out on the table for 5 months of refusal by the player. Then after he caved to Fitz and they agreed $12MM for the season - i.e. after they got some firsthand glimpses of Hackenberg on the practice field - Maccagnan childishly leaked to the media that Fitz had 24 hours to show up to sign it or the GM was rescinding the offer. What an insecure a-hole. Meanwhile if he'd simply cut ties with Fitz instead of offering a 3-year extension, someone else would have signed him. We'd have been rid of him, we'd have had another $12MM to play with, we could have moved on as a team, and as a bonus we would have been granted a compensatory pick for losing him on top of it all. Most of all it would have forced his hand to do the right thing and move up to #1 in the draft instead of staying pat while figuring Fitz was his ace in the hole, and fully piss away two NFL seasons in the process for nothing. A smart GM, if he was going to re-sign Fitz at all, makes a deal with him during the 2015 season not after it's over with Fitz then a UFA eyeing the latest year of salary inflation. Waiting too long on extensions is a pattern with Macc that continues to this day. Breno Giacomini. The Jets had a bit of a cap problem after all Macc's early spending. Breno wasn't a Maccagnan acquisition, but by 2016 the guaranteed portion of his contract was comfortably behind us so he was year to year. He was far too injured to make the opening day roster, wasn't good even when 100% healthy, and instead of cutting him like he should have - or at least negotiating a large pay cut in exchange for a guaranteed roster spot - Maccagnan keeps him at full pay ($5MM; then still decent starter money for a RT). What was the concern -- that there'd be a mad rush for teams to sign a badly-injured Breno off waivers at $5MM? Well after 7 weeks on the PUP list he returned to the 2-5 Jets. After just 5 starts he went on IR and rookie Shell filled in the rest of the way. Remember total wastes like this $5MM when the Jets could have signed this or that player for an extra million or two per season more than they offered. Ryan Clady. This was a mess of Maccagnan's own making; he was not a victim of circumstance here. He did nothing with regards to the overpriced Brick while FAs (e.g. Okung) signed elsewhere. Then a week into April he suddenly gives Brick an ultimatum: take a 50% pay cut or get released. Brick refuses, which unnecessarily creates an hole at LT two weeks before the draft. To fix this he then trades away a mid-round pick for the unreliable Clady, who predictably gets injured, and after playing injured for over a month has to go on IR for the 2nd half of the season. Basically about $1MM per game for Clady; even more if you want to count only healthy games. A smart person would have just done nothing and wait to the draft (or at least wait through the first 3 rounds) instead of creating a crisis, or made sure he signed an available FA LT when he had the chance. Amazingly, after this failure injured half-season, this boob of a GM actually offered Clady another new contract to keep him for longer. As is the case with many of Maccagnan's best non-moves, the Jets were only saved by the player turning it down; in this case due to Clady thinking too highly of his own worth. No one else made him any offer at all, and he retired. Brandon Marshall. After showing himself to be a (if not the) major source for major discord in the locker room in 2016, this doltish GM offered him an extension. Much like with FAs a year later, the offer was turned down because even Marshall didn't want to spend more time on teams Maccagnan was charged with assembling. Jarvis Jenkins. This useless sack of crap was paid $3MM as a UFA to be a backup for half a season, in the same offseason we were due to lose a handful of qualifying UFAs. If Jenkins wasn't such an impossibly awful pickup, and they could justify keeping him for 1 full season, this pickup would have cost us a 3rd round compensatory pick. Read that again; that is exactly what Maccagnan the great FA picker-upper signed on for. A technicality that gave him a redo he never thought he'd need, plus Jenkins sufficiently demonstrating his full uselessness prior to week 10, allowed Maccagnan to be rescued from his own sub-moronic plan. Matt Forte. A has-been who'd been on a steady decline for years. Maccagnan signed this north of 30 years old RB starter-money, guaranteed this starter money for 2 seasons, and as a cherry on top this pickup canceled out the mid-round compensatory pick we'd have been awarded for losing Chris Ivory to FA. After 2 generally poor seasons, Forte's going away present was lobbying to Bowles to fire the only Jets coach/coordinator who didn't call plays like he was trying to get the Jets some spots in NyQuil and Unisom commercials. Bilal Powell. I've liked Powell better than most, I think, but as a GM you sign either Forte or you sign Powell, not both. Pick one veteran, then draft young players for this youngest-man's position. Locking himself into both of these guys for 2 years - plus the compensatory draft pick each cost - undoubtedly influenced undervaluing RB prospects' worth to the Jets when our picks were coming up. Instead of Kamara or Hunt (current news on the latter notwithstanding), the "value" move for Macc was trading down ...and drafting Ardarius Stewart. When a GM surrenders a compensatory draft pick or fails to trade a player for a pick, it's the same as trading a pick itself instead of keeping it. He's choosing one over the other. Well in 2016 alone, Maccagnan was prepared to trade away 4 draft picks so he could sign/re-sign Jarvis Jenkins, Matt Forte, Bilal Powell, and Steve McLendon (I'd throw in Fitz in there but a team is limited to 4 compensatory picks in any one season; so swap him in place of any of the other 4 if you like). Think those draft picks weren't valuable? He did, and he spent half the ensuing 2017 draft trading down to get them all back, and in doing so drafted inferior prospects. He really stinks at this. Muhammad Wilkerson. Another embarrassment. Macc could have extended Mo in 2015 when his price tag was likely in the $10MM/year range. He didn't, because he wanted to trade him instead. Fair enough, but he was and is so bad at this: his asking price of a 1st & more was beyond what anyone would pay. Then a year later in 2016 - after Mo's 12 sack season - he repeats the same exact mistake, seeking a 1st rounder yet again, which of course still no one would pay. Then the 2016 draft comes, and he's miraculously offered a rescue parachute that would cleanly solve all of his biggest problems at once: trade up to #1 and draft a franchise QB. It would have made his then-embarrassing Fitz debacle go away; would have made the Mo holdout and non-negotiation go away; and would have solved the little problem of getting a great young QB in his 2nd year on the job. It would also have saved him from the embarrassment of a QB he did draft. Maccagnan passes up on it all because he felt an extra 3rd rounder made the price too steep. He instead passes up on Goff (or Wentz) at #1 and stays where we were at #20: he drafts Lee, drafts Hackenberg, signs Fitz for $12MM, and then to make room for Fitz he signs Mo to a $17MM/year contract that ended up being $37MM for 2 years (and no draft pick) -- for a player he wanted to trade away in the first place. And as though all that wasn't enough, we find out later that Maccagnan knew of Mo's lazy tendencies beforehand. Sheldon Richardson. While people are fast to point to the Seahawks rescuing Maccagnan from his own stupidity, let's examine. He had Sheldon, Mo, and had just exercised the 5th year option for Coples when he drafted Leonard Williams with the 6th overall pick. Coples aside, since he was still standing up at OLB, it's still one too many: nobody runs a 4-man line with no edge rushers on it; it's just too slow regardless of the individual talent. Moving Sheldon around (including at LB) gets poked fun at by fans, but he was too good to keep on the sideline and it was an effort to get all his best players on the field and Sheldon was easily the most athletically versatile among them (especially in 2016 after Coples was long gone). The solution was to move at least one of them then - either right after drafting Leo, or at the latest after that 2015 season - while both Mo and Sheldon had higher trade value. Instead all 3 were kept for two full seasons. The 2nd rounder for Sheldon of course carried the trade value of a late 3rd rounder, since the pick didn't come until the following season. That's the calculation Seattle made, and saved Maccagnan from his stupid self because his phone wasn't ringing off the hook despite everyone knowing he wanted to move Sheldon. For all the fan cooing over that transaction, we should have already had our FQB before May of 2016, using either Mo or Sheldon to move up to #1, with that opportunity offered on a silver platter. Instead we went with keeping Leo and Mo and Sheldon, drafting Christian Hackenberg, and then bringing back Fitzpatrick (followed by McCown after him). This is the domino effect of not making a move when the opportunity is there, with multiple NFL seasons unnecessarily wasted, as the byproduct of Maccagnan's ineptitude. Ben Ijalana. Though this 2017 FA signing seems insignificant amid some of these whoppers, it should be noted that even after seeing up close what little he brought, and after signing Beachum to a 3-year deal, Maccagnan then signed Ijalana for nearly $6MM for that same 2017 season (eventually declining the following year option at ~$5MM). What this did was effectively make a meh but not unreasonable Beachum UFA signing at $8MM per in actuality a $14MM signing for the Beachum-Ijalana duo at left tackle. For 2017 the Jets spent as much on that Beachum-Ijalana duo as any other NFL team spent for its left tackle starter+backup combo. This was in a planned tank offseason, no less; if Beachum was bad again what would have been the harm? It's not like Ijalana is the cure to left tackle ills anyway. Brian Winters. Entering 2016 Winters was a $3-4MM guard: a marginal starter drafted somewhat recently, with some potential. Winters did a fine job when Colon went on IR, but his play before that was spotty to say the least. Maccagnan has it leaked out he was going to make a play for Osemele in FA. If the Jets did sign Osemele then Winters would lose his starting job and spend the final season of his rookie contract as a backup. That was the time a good GM locks up his young guard. Maccagnan doesn't. And he doesn't sign Osemele either, because the Raiders offer him like $12MM - left tackle money at the time - and Maccagnan had already blown too much cap room in 2015 to afford that (especially with Fitz and Mo situations lingering). So he waits until another full season goes by, and after painting himself into a corner is forced to fork over an $8MM/year deal for a guard he could have had for about half that in 2016 (certainly for no more than Carpenter got a year earlier as a full UFA with a former 1st round pedigree). The reasons this doesn't look so bad? First is the other 4 offensive linemen - the ones that Maccagnan actually brought in himself - are all worse players than Winters. Second is the massive amount of cap room because the team has so few of Macc's picks & pickups worth extending/keeping. Trumaine Johnson. Looks like the latest in a long line of FAs who don't come close to living up to the price paid, using the Jets for their final cash-ins before mailing in their careers. I never saw a player tweak his quad a little in practice and then miss a month (or rather, I hadn't until this season). Turning 30 at the close of the 2019 season, he was always going to be in danger of getting cut after the 2 year guaranteed portion of his FA contract ran out. Therefore it was in his interest to just go after the largest guarantee, no matter where that was, and structure it with a purposely-lower year 3 amount to entice the team to keep him for the first of the non-guaranteed seasons. Basically unlike the other ultra-high dollar FAs who turned us down, he didn't have their concerns about cutting their careers short by choosing the wrong team in 2018, losing perhaps tens of millions in the process. Spencer Long. Of all the things Maccagnan knew he was doing in March or April of 2018, it was getting his franchise QB. Whether that was his first preference for signing Kirk Cousins for an all-guaranteed $90MM/3 deal, or signing on to willingly accept the leftover 3rd-best QB in the draft, one of those two scenarios was definitely happening. Though the 2017 OL was again lousy, and yet again put a starting QB on IR, the entire net sum of OL improvement Maccagnan made in FA and the draft combined? He upgraded from his previous season's pick at center - a healthy but lousy Wesley Johnson - at $2.7MM to a lousy center with injury concerns at $7MM, whose latest injury made snapping the ball an unpredictable adventure for the QB. Long is guaranteed $3MM of his $6.5MM for 2019 if he's on the roster the 3rd day after the superbowl, so the Jets must make a decision on him before they can talk to any FAs (never mind before the draft). That's some ace contract structuring there, folks. So glad now he's in charge of contract structuring instead of Davidson. -- In the 2018 offseason, agents for NFL FAs used this boob, as we saw players turn him down like we've never seen before in the NFL's free agency era. Literally 5 high-priced FAs told our just-recently extended GM to piss off after using him to up their dollars elsewhere. Despite the cap-flush Jets being the high bidder they chose other teams, rather than play on and risk their names and careers playing alongside the garbage roster Maccagnan had assembled to date. In his 4th season Jets under his watch were quite simply an unattractive destination for those with options. None of this gets into the FAs and trades that we didn't make over the last 4 years (e.g. moving up to #1 in 2016) when the opportunities were there. Instead we were repeatedly treated to "The Jets also inquired" in lieu of actual results, or going into a season with emergency/backup plans serving as planned starters without any credible competition (e.g. Wesley Johnson). This ineptitude in acquiring veterans should hardly come as surprising: in his 4th offseason the Maccagnan front office was rated by dozens of NFL agents as being in the bottom 5 worst-prepared in contract negotiations. This is an embarrassing body of work without even addressing the piss poor draft record (particularly outside the top 6 overall picks, where successful teams annually find themselves), or his willingness to part with draft picks for the likes of Forte, McLendon, Jarvis Jenkins, Rashard Robinson, Zac Stacy, Clady, and more. There are 2-3 of the above player failures that individually should be fireable offenses just by themselves. Taking all of them and more collectively, it's ridiculous that he should still be employed, let alone extended further, unless it's just to prevent Macc's successful successor from being hired without Woody Johnson in charge of the process. It's hard to imagine the best possible HC candidates look at all of this and say, "Yep, I want to hitch my career to the players Mike Maccagnan brings in for me." Maybe they just don't know about all of this, or maybe that's what we have to pray for. But it's harder still to imagine, after 3 consecutive seasons (and counting) of Maccagnan rosters earning top-6 draft picks, that a few Jets fans to actually want more of this trash. One doesn't just say "Sam Darnold" after passing on 4 successful franchise QBs available to him in the prior 2 drafts, as though success despite ineptitude (i.e. luck) is the likely expectation going forward rather than the enormity of the messes above and even more from the non-top-6 draft picks. Maybe the thought is this: all the Jets need to build a winner is another decade of regular season ineptitude, so Maccagnan can accumulate 10 more top-6 overall draft picks.
  18. Alan Faneca, Moving the crowd The NY Jets' offensive line improved dramatically with two free agent additions, Jeff Little provides the rundown. by Jeff Little (Senior Writer) 1 comments 33 reads July 21, 2008 The NY Jets had a successful 2006 season that resulted in them being a playoff participant. The team didn

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