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March 12

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

Huff is more important to sign. We could easily lose him with just a 2nd round tender. Moseley seems so replacable

Teams give up 2nd round picks for starters, for players who’ve established they can consistently stay healthy, and who put up fan-pleasing stats (if they play such a position, as Huff does).

Huff checks off none of these boxes, let alone all of them. I like him just fine but nobody is giving up a 2nd rounder for Huff. Not a chance. Not for the privilege of inking him to a contract higher than the Jets would be willing to match.

March 12

A poll with no poll.

This doesn’t even get an E for effort.

March 12

1 hour ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

So with a $24M cap hit next season he's off the team right?

It’s not - they created fluff/fake years with the restructure - but regardless it’ll be a $13MM decision to keep or cut.

March 12

3 hours ago, JiF4Lamar said:

He said something along the lines of he's just another back up but he has good relationships w/ his back ups blah blah blah and then he played injured last year instead of letting Love come in so he probably hates his guts maybe, idk, it sounds good for my case that he's not going to be a leader and/or try to develop Zach. That's not his job, his job is to win the Jets a Super Bowl, if he still wants to play Football.

Would be nice, though at this point I’ll believe Zach can be developed when I see it.

No QBs have said or hinted Rodgers gave Love the Favre treatment that was given to him.

And yes his job is to be the QB not a full time mentor, but there isn’t a GB QB who’s said he was anything but helpful. Maybe that changes after he’soff the team and alive unload on him, but catching him in a passive aggressive comment after the team blindsided him with the pick, before he’d even met Love in person, doesn’t mean he’s been a douche or unhelpful to the kiddies.

Mentoring is for Josh McCown types, or impossibly nice guys like Warner.

March 12

1 hour ago, JiF4Lamar said:

He's a mercenary at this point. He refused to help develop Love, he didnt show up to OTA's to develop chemistry w/ his rookie WR's and now he's holding 2 teams hostage as he plays attention whore diva games. I wouldnt expect much leadership here. He doesnt care about the Jets, he doesnt even care about the Packers. lol

He did?

March 12

1 hour ago, JetsRay said:

I think Rogers not being settled also holds up the market to the Jets advantage, that is the take away I came away with from the original post.

I think there could be some truth to it, but I think the bigger part of the hold up is the timing of Rogers current contract, when certain money that would pay out to him and what it means for the Jets as part of the trade.

I don't know, but don't think so. Everyone knows he's due about $60MM in a lump sum right before the first game. If there was a big problem with that worst-case scenario, they wouldn't be in talks.

March 12

10 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

They can recruit on the down low, especially if rodgers is helping behind the scenes.

I'm still not seeing the advantage. What is it they gain again, while also allowing the potential for a better team to have a change of heart & swoop in and blow GB away with a better offer.

You don't eff around with this -- seal the deal & then there's nothing in question, asking FAs (some of whom won't sign with the team) to be in on a secret that's being kept from the league?

March 12

1 hour ago, Augustiniak said:

I had a new theory. Maybe it’s the jets that are keeping this under wraps. What if rodgers told the jets yes, and the jets are content to restructure contracts, etc., while keeping the whole league in the dark. They’re able to get all their FA targets ready without the nfl knowing if they have rodgers or not. It’s to the jets’ advantage NOT to announce this until the latest possible time

Isn't it to the Jets' advantage to attract FAs by showing off their new QB instead of a QB room that - until it's official - currently contains just Zach Wilson and Chris Streveler?

New FAs can - and likely will - be heavily backloaded contracts.

March 12

7 minutes ago, ptisme said:

So Bakhtiari is an interesting point. The Packers restructured him this week. On the surface this would make him more attractive to the Jets for a trade because it would bring his cap WAYYY down. Unfortunately if the Packers trade him to NYJ before June 1 they would now get an acceleration of 40 million on this years cap. So a trade before June 1 WILL NOT HAPPEN. But... This could be a way for the Packers to take on some salary for the Jets if Rodgers demands Bak be included. If the Packers trade Bak to NYJ after June 1 they could split that salary cap hit out and not take the entire hit this year. Food for thought...

If they just restructured Bakhtiari then he's staying in Green Bay.

They're not paying him a new signing bonus in March only to then trade him. A trade will not happen before or after June 1st.

They may be looking to start a reset at QB but when he's on the field Bakhtiari is still a top LT. They're going to want Love to play with him, not with a rookie or some other lesser replacement who clouds their judgment on how much better Love might be with a better LT protecting him.

It doesn't make him any easier/harder to trade him, seeing how a new team could simply offer Bakhtiari the same restructure upon the trade going through. They likely restructured him to help absorb the accelerated hit for Rodgers & little/nothing more. Pretty much expected, for all the people incorrectly claiming that it's impossible for the Packers to trade Rodgers before June 1st.

They also restructured Aaron Jones, Jaire Alexander, Preston Smith, & Kenny Clark. Cumulatively that's enough to immediately absorb the $9MM net cap charge for trading Rodgers. It doesn't look like there's much opportunity left to restructure on their roster, so any additional cap clearance that creates more than a couple million in space would happen via outright cutting/trading under-contract players.

March 12

33 minutes ago, slats said:

Someone posted on that most reliable of news sources, facebook, that the trade won’t happen until after the 17th, because Rodgers’ $59M salary/bonus can’t be exercised until then. For accounting purposes, if it happened earlier, the Jets would have to clear that entire amount before converting it to bonus money and spreading it out. I’m not sure that’s true, but here’s an article about his contract that discusses that particular date: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/aaron-rodgers-contract-details-salary-cap-impact-bonuses/

So maybe it can’t happen until after 3/17, or maybe not, lol.

I'd think the Jets, in just taking over the contract, would naturally exercise it with the passage of time through the 17th. They'd be taking over his contract which has this happening as the scheduled course of events.

Possible, sure, but I'm still not seeing how. I guess in theory the Jets could trade for Rodgers and then release him hours later, to avoid that guarantee from kicking in, but that'd be pretty strange. Or maybe I just skimmed past the important part that would've explained it to my dumb ass.

Doesn't matter anyway. Like I said last week, after the dust settles & people aren't refreshing Aaron Rodgers news waiting for it to happen, in hindsight this is going to seem like the worst-kept secret from the 2023 offseason. The only thing left was coming up with compensation agreeable to both teams, which it seems has been banged out.

March 12

2 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

None of this stuff is an accident or coincidence. I feel more confident after that Marshall interview than I have all week. Rodgers seems to pride himself on keeping the Schefters and Rapports of the world in the dark but this was his way of telling us Jets fans to relax.

Himself, too.

March 12

On 3/9/2023 at 2:26 PM, EM31 said:

Specifically on the development of young QBs he famously declared that developing Jordon Love was "not his job" so I stick to my original point.

I saw you post this quote twice now, but it doesn't seem to be true. If you can provide a link to where Rodgers ever famously said it's "not his job" to mentor, help, develop, etc. with regards to Love (or any other young Packers QB), I'd be interested in seeing it.

There's little doubt at a time he was justifiably shocked (and less than thrilled) that, as a current contender, Green Bay's first foray into drafting first-round offense in a decade was on another QB to someday replace him in the future, rather than use it to add a needed + immediate round-1 talent starter to help them get back to the SB in the present. Excuse me -- two picks that year, seeing how Green Bay traded their 4th round pick to move up 4 slots to draft Love.

The only "not my job" comments I can find are attributed to Brett Favre.

Initially when Rodgers was drafted, Favre said "My contract doesn't say I have to get Aaron Rodgers ready to play."
Then in retirement, after the Packers drafted Love, Favre - not Rodgers - was the one to say "Aaron's job is not to mentor Jordan Love"
I am unable to find anywhere Rodgers himself said that as either a direct quote or even in principle.

He's had - and maintained - good relationships with other Packers backup QBs who - like Zach Wilson certainly would be - were no threats to his job (and even with Love, not an immediate threat).

This article is from May 15 after the Packers drafted Love:

Rodgers, however, said he’ll be there for Love, the 26th pick from Utah State.

“I would say the same that I’ve done with all my backup quarterbacks,” Rodgers said in a conference call on Friday. “I feel great about those relationships that I developed over the years. Many of them are still really close friends. I consider Matt Flynn a very close friend. I still have great contact with a lot of guys I played with over the years. Deshone and Manny (Wilkins) to Tim and I are really close. Brett Hundley and I keep in touch all the time. Scotty Tolzien and I talk from time to time.

“So, I’ve had great relationships over the years with those guys and I’d expect that same type of relationship with Jordan. He didn't get asked to be drafted by the Packers. He’s not to blame at all. He’s just coming in excited about his opportunity. We had a great conversation the day after the draft and I’m excited to work with him. He seems like a really good kid with a good head on his shoulders. Similar story, not heavily recruited out of college (and) kind of made his way at Utah State. We’ve had some great conversations.”

Yeah there's some subtle passive-aggressiveness in referring to Love as merely his backup, but in truth Love was clearly going to be his backup that year at a minimum & it's doubtless the team said that to him outright (in addition to it being obvious enough it didn't need saying).

Once the dust settled & a microphone/camera wasn't in his face, outside of his known drama + flakiness with regard to his extension or retirement threats to host Jeopardy! full-time, it seems Rodgers was a good teammate to Love (or at least not a bad one).

ALLEN PARK -- Tim Boyle spent the past three years backing up Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay before signing a one-year deal with the Detroit Lions earlier this offseason. Boyle wasn’t looking to discuss the drama going down on the other side of Lake Michigan but said he hopes both sides can figure it out, calling Rodgers one of his best friends and role models. The new Lions quarterback did make sure to share two takeaways that stand out from his time with the reigning MVP.

“When you’re around someone elite like Aaron Rodgers, you always want to pick their brain and ask those questions, and he was awesome to me in making sure he understood what he was seeing,” Boyle said from Detroit’s minicamp. “So I see the game a little differently now being around him, and like I said -- like (Lions quarterbacks coach) Mark Brunnel, he’s seen so many snaps, been in every situation. He has a wealth of knowledge, so I was fortunate enough to be with him for three years, pick his brain, and apply what I’ve learned from him on the field now.”

I mean, I get the less than fan-thrilling angle with regard to his contract/retirement since it was very public, but the other QBs on the Packers paint a picture of the exact opposite of a guy who tells the QB2/QB3 on the roster to eff off & they're on their own.

Once Rodgers is officially off the team, or after Love's become a solid or better starter, he may very well detail Rodgers being an arrogant, aloof douche to him, or say Rodgers ignored and/or outright refused to help him or say he's a QB not a QB coach. Thus far it's hard to find anyone saying anything like that between those two (including from the two horses' mouths).

March 12

March 11

17 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Yeah, Tomlinson isn't going anywhere and was the reason for AVT's initial move to RG, so no real point in swapping them this year. Granted it would be ideal to just replace Tomlinson all together, but they've got enough issues at center and tackle that guard really isn't something they have the luxury of messing with this year.

It's a good time to create a pipeline, though, rather than repeat the scenario they've now got at center, which is that they have nothing & now can't really afford to rely upon the draft for a lateral or upgraded move without paying through the nose.

It's a popular plan among fans, but a GM can't gamble his season on "just draft a center" and presume it instantly generates an amply performing day-one starter. It's a great plan ONLY IF it pans out, and pans out right away at that. As likely as not - especially if you don't use a top-35 pick on the position - you end up with Luke Fortner, Mason Cole, Drew Dalman, etc. And sometimes even when you do commit a 1st rounder to filling the center position you get Bradbury, Ruiz, or Price.

There have been some good performers and good prospects at the position: Humphrey, Jergens, Linderbaum. There have been others who've panned out but it took them 2-3 years to become reliable -- Connor Williams, Hainsey. Also consider Josh Myers was drafted ahead of Humphrey; that's been a huge mistake and even if he does ultimately pan out he certainly didn't as a rookie.

Taking this back to guard, yeah they should draft the next one now, because plan that - as likely as not - this year's pipeline prospect will suck & they'll need a second swing at it.

March 11

7 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Yeah, Tomlinson isn't going anywhere and was the reason for AVT's initial move to RG, so no real point in swapping them this year. Granted it would be ideal to just replace Tomlinson all together, but they've got enough issues at center and tackle that guard really isn't something they have the luxury of messing with this year.

They'd need a trade partner to take on his $13MM is what they'd need to replace Tomlinson.

Either that or make him the highest-paid backup guard in history.

Since neither of those things is happening, he's the starting LG this year. Just hope he bounces back to prior form.

March 11

6 hours ago, Maxman said:

My statement above assumes that Tomlinson is getting cut.

Think $10MM of his $13MM salary is already guaranteed (the balance guaranteeing later this month).

March 11

Is the team better off with him at RG and leave Tomlinson at LG?

AVT is surely the more versatile, and it’s not likely close. To the best of my knowledge Tomlinson has played just LG his entire career.

The greater good is probably served with AVT at RG for one more year.

March 10

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

Considering how little jd gets out of the day 3 picks, very little

Something tells me that the ravens will find a use for it tho

The Ravens have never had a 7th round pick pan out for them in the 27-year history of their franchise.

March 10

1 hour ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

The Jets are the winner of thread. It has finally happened the roster talent is NFL quality and we can all be happy about that.

It don't stop here either. Joe is not going anywhere and that mean he will continue to build and improve this team.

"What a wonderful moment this must be for you."

March 10

@Facts you earned a 2-week vacation.

I only skimmed through this quickly, but you don't get to brand a moderator and another poster or two as being racist with the rationalization that's the only possible explanation for finding your prescribed team plan as being "ridiculous" (or stupid or ill-advised or whatever descriptor).

We're all Jets fans here & want the team to succeed. There's a variety of ideas of how best to get there, and - as an overwhelmingly "guys" site insults fly back & forth towards other posters and their ideas. What's not going to happen here is what you've done here.

I'm willing to write it up to poor judgment upon your return.

March 9

24 minutes ago, Hex said:

DeAndre Hopkins is a better option, even when considering trade value. Getting a WR in the draft is a better option in terms of price and longevity.

In my opinion Lazard is a better option than Thielen, but that one is more subjective.

Jakobi Meyers might be available too, and I would prefer him over Thielen too.

They should have at least one veteran WR in the huddle imo. That's been Davis, but only for half the games lol. I guess they have a veteran TE, but meh.

No one would doubt the upside of a day 1-2 WR is way better (and cheaper and for more years) but the senior veteran WRs shouldn't be a toss up between Mims or Moore.

March 9

2 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

I believe I read somewhere that it will be a 2nd round tender. Too small to set edge. Basically a designated PR

The alternative is merely a first right to match but with no compensation if they don't (beyond I suppose a potential comp pick in 2024, but that won't be too high). I didn't see it written anywhere myself but yeah, I expect a 2nd round tender.

No one's surrendering a 1st - nor a 2nd - for the rights to sign him away from us long term, so a 1st round tag makes no sense. The Jets could negotiate down below a 2nd if someone contacted Douglas, I think, but he's under no obligation to accept that.

March 9

2 hours ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

He was an obvious cap casualty. Hopefully lawson and or JFM is next

I don't know, but am guessing it won't be JFM, but imo Lawson yes and probably both Davises.

JFM has brain farts, but he's a more-rounded player & stays healthy. They have a couple young edge guys they just drafted plus am figuring they're going to RFA-tag Huff as well. Beyond those guys they can also add cheaper depth but should be a far cry from using up Lawson's $15MM savings.

March 9

59 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

We need to lock up Bryce Huff before the FA period,

He's going to get RFA-tagged, or so I'd hope/imagine. They just need to clear a little space first before the major moves get done.

March 9

1 hour ago, Bleedin Green said:

Totally fair points and I actually don't disagree with any of what you're saying. There are a number of reasons that it does make sense in the moment, but my main point is 99% of the time these moves are done, it's in response to past poor decisions.

In fairness, there is reason for motivation to try to do what you can with those kind of moves to not have it cripple the team, but when it starts happening with any particular frequency I don't see those moves as particularly praise-worthy, as it just means there's a longer list of past screw-ups that you need to keep trying to fix. That can start to accumulate over time if it happens enough, which was no small part in how the Jets fell off a cliff post-2010 with a superior team.

Of course if those start trending downward, or better yet the team is able to start shedding some of those contracts entirely and replacing them with draft picks at a much cheaper rate, then that quickly changes things. In the meantime, I'm not really looking to applaud those situations where the current situation is no more than "well that terrible deal is now a little less bad for this year". To your point it gives them an opportunity to try to fix that, and if they're successful I'll be more than happy to give credit for that, but not before they've shown that they've learned from those past mistakes and not simply repeat them.

No doubt, but it's hard to get it right that often, especially when the cupboard is pretty bare at the start of a regime.

We all lament every misstep, and it's justified on an individual basis, but they all whiff. Was SF a QB away from the SB? Quite possibly, if not probably. They're a very well-run org and look at what they threw at a QB who - despite being outright handed the QB1 job - has seen the field barely more than Christian Hackenberg & has looked about as good while on it.

What a lot of these soon-regretted contracts also reveal is it's not always a great thing to have a mountain of cap $ for a FA shopping spree. Saving it all up for one offseason you basically get a big influx from that FA group, not necessarily the best person you need at just this or that position -- you get less choosy. The Jets had no TE (none of those crying over "giving away" Chris Herndon bring it up anymore), and they were running an offense that went primarily through the TE position in SF. The option wasn't bring in the best TE in the league so much as bring in the best TE (TEs) they could get their hands on, and further which ones had few enough options to come to the ****ing Jets. The way around that is to pay more than others would, out of necessity, and that's how you end up with these two TE contracts guaranteed for 2 seasons. Past missteps begets future missteps.

We all have targeted this or that player in the draft or FA, and few bring it up when that would've resulted in a disastrous draft selection or cap albatross. PLENTY on here wanted Josh Rosen in 2018 - at least through March - though few will now admit it. How many argued in favor of the shrewdness of adding Trumaine Johnson at $16MM/year? It wasn't just one or two guys here. It's really easy when you get to count your good ideas and forget the bad ones ever happened. GMs don't get to do that. But yeah it's still between frustrating & infuriating when it happens, and the ones that do it with such regularity make a starved fan base positively enraged.

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